Transformers Legends Chromedome and Mindwipe New Images
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Comment by RAR
Oct 10, 2016
Takara need to count their Titanmaster mini-vehicles to make sure they use them all and don't keep using the same one in another colour and miss some out completely.
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Comment by Kurona
Oct 10, 2016
Should also be noted that these two have new face sculpts much more accurate to The Headmasters, and I'm pretty sure to their original toys.
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It has been added to the article!
Comment by D-Maximal_Primal
Oct 10, 2016
Kurona wrote:Should also be noted that these two have new face sculpts much more accurate to The Headmasters, and I'm pretty sure to their original toys.
It has been added to the article!
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Comment by Cyberpath
Oct 10, 2016
Here's the heads chart again.
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Comment by Kurona
Oct 10, 2016
It's not very well done and I can't find Mindwipe's face (He always stays in beast mode it seems), but I made a necessary addition
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Comment by Sabrblade
Oct 10, 2016
Fortress, you mean. He's a different guy from Cerebros in Japan.Logan. wrote:Cerebros in (my) hand
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I think Sabr mentioned this a while back, but for the most part, the face models for the Decepticon Headmasters didn't change all that much between Sunbow's "The Rebirth" miniseries and the Japanese original production of "The Headmasters." In fact, Takara's head sculpt for Legeneds Mindwipe looks almost like a compromise between the details found on the Western character model versus the Japanese character model.
Comment by Wolfman Jake
Oct 10, 2016
Cyberpath wrote:Here's the heads chart again.
I think Sabr mentioned this a while back, but for the most part, the face models for the Decepticon Headmasters didn't change all that much between Sunbow's "The Rebirth" miniseries and the Japanese original production of "The Headmasters." In fact, Takara's head sculpt for Legeneds Mindwipe looks almost like a compromise between the details found on the Western character model versus the Japanese character model.
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Yep. I wish the Autobots were the same, too. We would have gotten Rebirth-accurate heads all around.
Comment by Cyberpath
Oct 10, 2016
Wolfman Jake wrote:Cyberpath wrote:Here's the heads chart again.
I think Sabr mentioned this a while back, but for the most part, the face models for the Decepticon Headmasters didn't change all that much between Sunbow's "The Rebirth" miniseries and the Japanese original production of "The Headmasters." In fact, Takara's head sculpt for Legeneds Mindwipe looks almost like a compromise between the details found on the Western character model versus the Japanese character model.
Yep. I wish the Autobots were the same, too. We would have gotten Rebirth-accurate heads all around.
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Comment by Kurona
Oct 10, 2016
Hasbro's Chromedome becomes more and more of an utterly bizarre scenario the more I look at it. He has an IDW-styled head... yet an original toy/rebirth/headmasters-styled body. And then it doesn't end there - the colour layout on his toy/cartoon-accurate body is IDW-accurate, and the colours on his IDW-accurate head are cartoon-accurate. It's a very strange way to do a compromise
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I've just learned to go with the flow with some of these things. Just look at poor Whirl. There was the party to go for G1 accuracy (or as accurate as it could be) and then there was the super IDW version that lots of people wanted, so we ended up with a G1 Whirl with some chicken legs options. Thew said it best in his review" "What do you people want?!?!"
Comment by D-Maximal_Primal
Oct 10, 2016
Kurona wrote:Hasbro's Chromedome becomes more and more of an utterly bizarre scenario the more I look at it. He has an IDW-styled head... yet an original toy/rebirth/headmasters-styled body. And then it doesn't end there - the colour layout on his toy/cartoon-accurate body is IDW-accurate, and the colours on his IDW-accurate head are cartoon-accurate. It's a very strange way to do a compromise
I've just learned to go with the flow with some of these things. Just look at poor Whirl. There was the party to go for G1 accuracy (or as accurate as it could be) and then there was the super IDW version that lots of people wanted, so we ended up with a G1 Whirl with some chicken legs options. Thew said it best in his review" "What do you people want?!?!"
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You know, after seeing the "leaked" concept sheets from Hasbro, I get the feeling that, sometimes, Hasbro uses whatever photos that come up on Google Images when looking for references. And that's why their stuff can seem inconsistent.
And maybe the colour choices are decided by someone other than the mold designer.. TR Mindwipe for instance was designed in a way that allows him to have purple legs in robot mode, and red bat wings in beast mode. But Hasbro just made both purple.
I get that, they make a lot of toys, and move on to the next thing. Takara seems more "into it" -- or maybe it's their market. Or both.
Comment by Cyberpath
Oct 10, 2016
Kurona wrote:Hasbro's Chromedome becomes more and more of an utterly bizarre scenario the more I look at it. He has an IDW-styled head... yet an original toy/rebirth/headmasters-styled body. And then it doesn't end there - the colour layout on his toy/cartoon-accurate body is IDW-accurate, and the colours on his IDW-accurate head are cartoon-accurate. It's a very strange way to do a compromise
You know, after seeing the "leaked" concept sheets from Hasbro, I get the feeling that, sometimes, Hasbro uses whatever photos that come up on Google Images when looking for references. And that's why their stuff can seem inconsistent.
And maybe the colour choices are decided by someone other than the mold designer.. TR Mindwipe for instance was designed in a way that allows him to have purple legs in robot mode, and red bat wings in beast mode. But Hasbro just made both purple.
I get that, they make a lot of toys, and move on to the next thing. Takara seems more "into it" -- or maybe it's their market. Or both.
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Comment by fenrir72
Oct 10, 2016
Mindwipe's original head back in 1987 is kind off spookier now that I give him a second look.
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Comment by Sabrblade
Oct 10, 2016
It seems to me like they simply molded the figure--head and body--to resemble Chromedome's IDW Shadowplay design (at least in robot mode), but applied to it the traditional, not-specifically-IDW-based Chromedome colors.Kurona wrote:Hasbro's Chromedome becomes more and more of an utterly bizarre scenario the more I look at it. He has an IDW-styled head... yet an original toy/rebirth/headmasters-styled body. And then it doesn't end there - the colour layout on his toy/cartoon-accurate body is IDW-accurate, and the colours on his IDW-accurate head are cartoon-accurate. It's a very strange way to do a compromise
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They modeled it after the toy with the only real differences being caused by the Dead End engineering, fixed proportions and updated articulation. It just happened to look like Shadowplay Chromedome because Shadowplay Chromedome is modeled after the toy. And even then it still has some differences that make it clear the toy is G1-based rather than any iteration of IDW Chromedome-based.
Comment by Kurona
Oct 10, 2016
Sabrblade wrote:It seems to me like they simply molded the figure--head and body--to resemble Chromedome's IDW Shadowplay design (at least in robot mode), but applied to it the traditional, not-specifically-IDW-based Chromedome colors.Kurona wrote:Hasbro's Chromedome becomes more and more of an utterly bizarre scenario the more I look at it. He has an IDW-styled head... yet an original toy/rebirth/headmasters-styled body. And then it doesn't end there - the colour layout on his toy/cartoon-accurate body is IDW-accurate, and the colours on his IDW-accurate head are cartoon-accurate. It's a very strange way to do a compromise
They modeled it after the toy with the only real differences being caused by the Dead End engineering, fixed proportions and updated articulation. It just happened to look like Shadowplay Chromedome because Shadowplay Chromedome is modeled after the toy. And even then it still has some differences that make it clear the toy is G1-based rather than any iteration of IDW Chromedome-based.
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Comment by Sabrblade
Oct 10, 2016
How do you know they didn't deliberately model it after the Shadowplay design because of the Shadowplay design being based on the G1 toy?Kurona wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It seems to me like they simply molded the figure--head and body--to resemble Chromedome's IDW Shadowplay design (at least in robot mode), but applied to it the traditional, not-specifically-IDW-based Chromedome colors.Kurona wrote:Hasbro's Chromedome becomes more and more of an utterly bizarre scenario the more I look at it. He has an IDW-styled head... yet an original toy/rebirth/headmasters-styled body. And then it doesn't end there - the colour layout on his toy/cartoon-accurate body is IDW-accurate, and the colours on his IDW-accurate head are cartoon-accurate. It's a very strange way to do a compromise
They modeled it after the toy with the only real differences being caused by the Dead End engineering, fixed proportions and updated articulation. It just happened to look like Shadowplay Chromedome because Shadowplay Chromedome is modeled after the toy. And even then it still has some differences that make it clear the toy is G1-based rather than any iteration of IDW Chromedome-based.
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Touche I suppose, but that seems a bit... roundabout and pointless compared to just modeling it on the G1 toy.
Besides there's details on the toy that aren't there on the shadowplay design so
Comment by Kurona
Oct 10, 2016
Sabrblade wrote:How do you know they didn't deliberately model it after the Shadowplay design because of the Shadowplay design being based on the G1 toy?Kurona wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It seems to me like they simply molded the figure--head and body--to resemble Chromedome's IDW Shadowplay design (at least in robot mode), but applied to it the traditional, not-specifically-IDW-based Chromedome colors.Kurona wrote:Hasbro's Chromedome becomes more and more of an utterly bizarre scenario the more I look at it. He has an IDW-styled head... yet an original toy/rebirth/headmasters-styled body. And then it doesn't end there - the colour layout on his toy/cartoon-accurate body is IDW-accurate, and the colours on his IDW-accurate head are cartoon-accurate. It's a very strange way to do a compromise
They modeled it after the toy with the only real differences being caused by the Dead End engineering, fixed proportions and updated articulation. It just happened to look like Shadowplay Chromedome because Shadowplay Chromedome is modeled after the toy. And even then it still has some differences that make it clear the toy is G1-based rather than any iteration of IDW Chromedome-based.
Touche I suppose, but that seems a bit... roundabout and pointless compared to just modeling it on the G1 toy.
Besides there's details on the toy that aren't there on the shadowplay design so
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All it really needs is a Shadowplay-accurate deco and it's a good enough approximation of the look in toy form, like a lot of the other IDW-inspired Generations toy molds.
Comment by Sabrblade
Oct 10, 2016
True, but the fact that there are details on the toy that are taken specifically from the Shadowplay design (i.e. - the upper torso's overall shape and molded details, the kneecaps, the waist's overall shape and molded details, etc.) points to the Shadowplay design being more likely a deliberate source of inspiration for the toy rather than a happily coincidental resemblance.Kurona wrote:Sabrblade wrote:How do you know they didn't deliberately model it after the Shadowplay design because of the Shadowplay design being based on the G1 toy?Kurona wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It seems to me like they simply molded the figure--head and body--to resemble Chromedome's IDW Shadowplay design (at least in robot mode), but applied to it the traditional, not-specifically-IDW-based Chromedome colors.Kurona wrote:Hasbro's Chromedome becomes more and more of an utterly bizarre scenario the more I look at it. He has an IDW-styled head... yet an original toy/rebirth/headmasters-styled body. And then it doesn't end there - the colour layout on his toy/cartoon-accurate body is IDW-accurate, and the colours on his IDW-accurate head are cartoon-accurate. It's a very strange way to do a compromise
They modeled it after the toy with the only real differences being caused by the Dead End engineering, fixed proportions and updated articulation. It just happened to look like Shadowplay Chromedome because Shadowplay Chromedome is modeled after the toy. And even then it still has some differences that make it clear the toy is G1-based rather than any iteration of IDW Chromedome-based.
Touche I suppose, but that seems a bit... roundabout and pointless compared to just modeling it on the G1 toy.
Besides there's details on the toy that aren't there on the shadowplay design so
All it really needs is a Shadowplay-accurate deco and it's a good enough approximation of the look in toy form, like a lot of the other IDW-inspired Generations toy molds.
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That can be said about Unite Warriors too, even more so than Combiner Wars. Now that was a big time overkill.
A new Sunstreaker? Combiner
Deluxe Ghost Starscream? Combiner
Classics Armada Thrust? Combiner
G1 style Trailbreaker? Combiner
A new Ironhide? Yay! Oh no wait, its also a combiner
And after 30 years we finally get skylynx redone and he is a freaken combiner!?!?
And this was worse than TR because while TR gives them a gimick they didnt have before, it doesn't limit the toy's possible uniqueness, or general look. Scourge, Blurr and Trigerhappy still look very much like themselves and all have nice transformations that are all their own. But with UW/CW, the fact that they are redecos fo the same mold means they arent all that unique, nor do they look the part. Ironhide looks nothing like his G1 self and all the cars have fake parts for the chest (like Wheeljack, Sunstreaker, and the Datsuns). And Skylynx is made smaller and gutted of his seperate lynx and bird modes.
I still have many of these toys and do not regret my purchases, but I did mean to show that TR handles the shared gimick much better than Combiner Wars did when it comes to homaging the look and idiosyncratic nature of these characters.
Comment by william-james88
Oct 10, 2016
Cyberpath wrote:I feel like the headmaster gimmick is becoming an overkill. Everyone is a Headmaster now regardless if they were so in fiction.
That can be said about Unite Warriors too, even more so than Combiner Wars. Now that was a big time overkill.
A new Sunstreaker? Combiner
Deluxe Ghost Starscream? Combiner
Classics Armada Thrust? Combiner
G1 style Trailbreaker? Combiner
A new Ironhide? Yay! Oh no wait, its also a combiner
And after 30 years we finally get skylynx redone and he is a freaken combiner!?!?
And this was worse than TR because while TR gives them a gimick they didnt have before, it doesn't limit the toy's possible uniqueness, or general look. Scourge, Blurr and Trigerhappy still look very much like themselves and all have nice transformations that are all their own. But with UW/CW, the fact that they are redecos fo the same mold means they arent all that unique, nor do they look the part. Ironhide looks nothing like his G1 self and all the cars have fake parts for the chest (like Wheeljack, Sunstreaker, and the Datsuns). And Skylynx is made smaller and gutted of his seperate lynx and bird modes.
I still have many of these toys and do not regret my purchases, but I did mean to show that TR handles the shared gimick much better than Combiner Wars did when it comes to homaging the look and idiosyncratic nature of these characters.
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Comment by Kurona
Oct 10, 2016
I'm more lenient than most; unless it's a character I'm a massive stickler for, you can just stick the character's head on a body that's not entirely unfitting for them and I'm pretty cool with that. That's why I'm alright with CW Prowl and Mirage. I still can sorta see them in that.
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Comment by Ultra Markus
Oct 10, 2016
i get that hasbro goes with more toy accuracy and takara goes with cartoon accuracy
but with cerebros hasbro went with cartoon accuracy and takara went with toy accuracy on fortress maximus
but with cerebros hasbro went with cartoon accuracy and takara went with toy accuracy on fortress maximus
