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Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK

Transformers News: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK

Tuesday, June 6th, 2017 4:58PM CDT

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Twitter user Lothar Hex has found wave 4 Titans Return deluxe class figures (specifically Krok and Topspin) at Asda stores in the UK! Check out the photographic proof below, and please report any sightings you might think are new to us at the Toy Sighting Database!

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Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887445)
Posted by Kurona on June 6th, 2017 @ 5:07pm CDT
I don't even care what you think, Shreddicus Maximus is the best name in the history of this franchise. Oh my god.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887446)
Posted by Deadput on June 6th, 2017 @ 5:09pm CDT
Kurona wrote:I don't even care what you think, Shreddicus Maximus is the best name in the history of this franchise. Oh my god.

Cowabunga dudes!
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887449)
Posted by kurthy on June 6th, 2017 @ 5:20pm CDT
Kurona wrote:I don't even care what you think, Shreddicus Maximus is the best name in the history of this franchise. Oh my god.


He just needs to be green with a red visor.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887450)
Posted by Desslok2201 on June 6th, 2017 @ 5:26pm CDT
It renews my hope for an eventual Naughtius Maximus
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887453)
Posted by Stuartmaximus on June 6th, 2017 @ 5:29pm CDT
Bronzewolf wrote:Twitter user Lothar Hex has found wave 4 Titans Return deluxe class figures (specifically Krok and Topspin) at Asda stores in the UK! Check out the photographic proof below, and please report any sightings you might think are new to us at the Toy Sighting Database!

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slightly little more to this....
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887455)
Posted by Bronzewolf on June 6th, 2017 @ 5:31pm CDT
Stuartmaximus wrote:
Bronzewolf wrote:Twitter user Lothar Hex has found wave 4 Titans Return deluxe class figures (specifically Krok and Topspin) at Asda stores in the UK! Check out the photographic proof below, and please report any sightings you might think are new to us at the Toy Sighting Database!

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slightly little more to this....
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I'm sorry, what is the problem here? I don't get it, our articles are pretty different as these things go, if that's what your getting at.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887458)
Posted by Bronzewolf on June 6th, 2017 @ 5:46pm CDT
Bronzewolf wrote:
Stuartmaximus wrote:
Bronzewolf wrote:Twitter user Lothar Hex has found wave 4 Titans Return deluxe class figures (specifically Krok and Topspin) at Asda stores in the UK! Check out the photographic proof below, and please report any sightings you might think are new to us at the Toy Sighting Database!

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slightly little more to this....
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I'm sorry, what is the problem here? I don't get it, our articles are pretty different as these things go, if that's what your getting at.


Wait wait wait, I understand. The titles. I apologize, that was too close to TFW's. Honestly, I didn't even notice, let alone did I mean to copy it. It has been changed.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887459)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 6th, 2017 @ 5:48pm CDT
Terrsolpix wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Terrsolpix wrote:Check hasbrotoyshop's eBay page. Not sure if they still have CW limbs, though.


I said, FOR CHEAP.
Buying anything from HTS, even a paper clip, give me a 30$US charge MINIMUM in shipping.
I'm not exaggerating.


Do you live on the international space station? Also they give free shipping anywhere on orders over $50.
EDIT: free shipping on over $15


Kid, look at the sidebar. I'm CANADIAN. The "free shipping" thing is for USA residents only.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention that HTS also charge taxes. All in US dollars. Joy.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887468)
Posted by Jason5billion on June 6th, 2017 @ 6:45pm CDT
You could try to move to America. If you go down as far south as I am in Florida, you get nice weather.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887472)
Posted by reluttr on June 6th, 2017 @ 6:47pm CDT
Qwan wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Va'al wrote:A generic Titan Master means it could be anyone.. hmmmmm.. foots are aplan.

It only uses Fracas' torso and upper legs though - the lower legs, arms and head are all new. Makes me think they're referencing someone specific; I WANT to say Metroplex, but that head doesn't seem quite right... very confusing.

Terrsolpix wrote:I've been scowering google images and can only guess it to be a pre-Jihaxus Srcee. Head shape matches and so do lips, only the chin is more prominent and it has singlasses.

Yeah, I remember there were a lot of efforts to work out who the TM might represent back when we first got stock images. IIRC we couldn't find anything that fit very well back then either, so I wonder if it might be possible that it's actually a new character/design? (Though admittedly I can't find any images of pre-Jhiaxus Arcee so Terrolspix might be right, I don't know.)

Have we had any 'new' Titan Master partners in the line so far? "New" as in an original design, not just a new name or nominally-new character that's just the bigger guy shrunk down. Especially given that as a character who's (seemingly) primarily defined by IDW, I wouldn't put it out of the question to have this TM design be almost an "advance preview" of a potential new character to become Windblade's TM in possible future tie-in material.

(Though I guess if the head design (not the rest of the body though) resembles anyone, it kiiinda looks like Nautica - another prominent primarily-IDW-based female character? Not that it would actually be her, more just like a visual homage to a superficially-similar-character. It's probably not that though. *shrug*)



*leans in close and whispers* Rust Dust

My best guess at least. XD
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887476)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on June 6th, 2017 @ 7:05pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Kid, look at the sidebar. I'm CANADIAN. The "free shipping" thing is for USA residents only.


Yes, but whose fault is that, really? ;)
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887480)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on June 6th, 2017 @ 7:20pm CDT
I have to say TR Windblade is the best looking Windblade thus far, I just hope out of box the mold is stable.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887485)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 6th, 2017 @ 7:59pm CDT
Jason5billion wrote:You could try to move to America. If you go down as far south as I am in Florida, you get nice weather.


With civil liberties taken away one by one in Canada, this might be not such a bad idea... :/
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887489)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 6th, 2017 @ 8:03pm CDT
So ok.

Siege of Cybertron: so glad I pre-ordered when I did. Excited for the figures except Pounce.

Windblade is one of my skips of wave 5. Ramhorn, Seaspray, Twintwist, Misfire, Octone, and Overlord are my buys for the wave. Really excited for Twintwist too considering the wreckers and how Topspin is ranked #2 or 3 on best figure of the line currently.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887515)
Posted by Hero Alpha on June 6th, 2017 @ 9:57pm CDT
Windblade looks pretty good, but I think I will stick with my Takara Adventure Windblade. Even if its a tad bit small. Getting little tired of all the not-headmasters being headmasters. Cant wait to get Octane though. Ive been checking Wal-mart every couple of days.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887516)
Posted by Albatross250 on June 6th, 2017 @ 10:16pm CDT
About Windblade.... She's somewhat bears a striking resemblance on her fighter mode, mostly the VF-9 from Macross, without her dual fans on her wings. :x :michaelbay:
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887518)
Posted by Jason5billion on June 6th, 2017 @ 10:23pm CDT
I'll pass on her because I have a Legends class Windblade and a deluxe class Windblade, so why would I buy one that doesn't have her own head?
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887519)
Posted by Bronzewolf on June 6th, 2017 @ 10:25pm CDT
Albatross250 wrote:About Windblade.... She's somewhat bears a striking resemblance on her fighter mode, mostly the VF-9 from Macross, without her dual fans on her wings. :x :michaelbay:
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SOOOOOOLLLLLLLD.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887520)
Posted by Albatross250 on June 6th, 2017 @ 10:25pm CDT
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This will be a good weapon for twintwist
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887521)
Posted by bodrock on June 6th, 2017 @ 10:26pm CDT
Albatross250 wrote:About Windblade.... She's somewhat bears a striking resemblance on her fighter mode, mostly the VF-9 from Macross, without her dual fans on her wings. :x :michaelbay:
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I was not planning on getting TR Windblade, but she's looking HAWT. Same with Misfire.
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887522)
Posted by william-james88 on June 6th, 2017 @ 10:30pm CDT
Do you macross fans have leader jetfire? That is one sexy bot.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887523)
Posted by bodrock on June 6th, 2017 @ 10:33pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Do you macross fans have leader jetfire? That is one sexy bot.

I do, Will! I used to have G1 Jetfire too, but he had to break in half at the hinges..... :(
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887525)
Posted by william-james88 on June 6th, 2017 @ 10:37pm CDT
bodrock wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Do you macross fans have leader jetfire? That is one sexy bot.

I do, Will! I used to have G1 Jetfire too, but he had to break in half at the hinges..... :(

Do you still have his accessories? Because thats whats pricey. A jetfire body can be aquired for about $50 on e-bay (last time I checked) which isnt too terrible.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887528)
Posted by Albatross250 on June 6th, 2017 @ 10:50pm CDT
IN HAND IMAGES OF TITANS RETURN TITAN CLASS TRYPTICON + MODES + SIZE COMPARISON OF METROPLEX VIA S.T.F.U Planet Iacon! and TFW.2005!
Link:https://www.facebook.com/Planetiacon.stfu/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887529)
Posted by Albatross250 on June 6th, 2017 @ 10:54pm CDT
:BANG_HEAD:
Gah, why the preorder ones get so much advantanges on the waiting ones? :-P
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887533)
Posted by Bronzewolf on June 6th, 2017 @ 11:09pm CDT
Albatross250 wrote:IN HAND IMAGES OF TITANS RETURN TITAN CLASS TRYPTICON + MODES + SIZE COMPARISON OF METROPLEX VIA S.T.F.U Planet Iacon! and TFW.2005!
Link:https://www.facebook.com/Planetiacon.stfu/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
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News post incoming!!
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887536)
Posted by Bronzewolf on June 6th, 2017 @ 11:18pm CDT
Seibertronian Albatross250 has linked us to a post on the Planet Iacon Facebook page featuring more in hand photos of Titans Return Trypticon! These new photos show the new dino titan in his ship, city, and, uh, Dino titan modes, as well as his box, and a comparison shot with Generation Metroplex!

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Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887538)
Posted by bodrock on June 6th, 2017 @ 11:20pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
bodrock wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Do you macross fans have leader jetfire? That is one sexy bot.

I do, Will! I used to have G1 Jetfire too, but he had to break in half at the hinges..... :(

Do you still have his accessories? Because thats whats pricey. A jetfire body can be aquired for about $50 on e-bay (last time I checked) which isnt too terrible.


I might, actually! I'll take a look next time I'm at the parents' house. ;)
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887539)
Posted by Agamemnon on June 6th, 2017 @ 11:33pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Do you macross fans have leader jetfire? That is one sexy bot.

Classics Voyager was more Macross like, IMO.... (And a better toy too!)

Wow, does Trypt look nice! I was planning on having him as a dino standing over Metroplex in carrier mode, ready to stomp. But, I might need to do a whole base/fortress or starship display instead... Nice work there on this titan! :APPLAUSE:
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887547)
Posted by megamanfan on June 7th, 2017 @ 12:28am CDT
well slap me on the kneecap and call me daddy, that base mode actually looks good! maybe it's from all the titans return nonsense, but i was expecting something terrible.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887548)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on June 7th, 2017 @ 12:29am CDT
Albatross250 wrote:About Windblade.... She's somewhat bears a striking resemblance on her fighter mode, mostly the VF-9 from Macross, without her dual fans on her wings. :x :michaelbay:
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Apart from being a red jet with backward wings they don't look similar to me at all.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887550)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on June 7th, 2017 @ 12:31am CDT
Agamemnon wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Do you macross fans have leader jetfire? That is one sexy bot.

Classics Voyager was more Macross like, IMO.... (And a better toy too!)



Yeah I felt the classics voyager toy was better, the Leader just does nothing for me at all. But niether come anywhere near the G1 Macross Jetfire toy. That's still a beautiful thing that just can't be beat no matter how many times they've tried. Trying to blend elements of it within that awful boxy Skyfire cartoon design just ruins it. Yeah I get why they need to do that but it still just sucks.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887551)
Posted by Ultra Mad on June 7th, 2017 @ 12:39am CDT
This Windblade look awsome! I have the Takara legend Windblade and I really do like her overall appearance but I don't like her jet mode very much. The Titan Return jet mode look very good to me. And even though she is a repaint/remold, I think it fit the character very well. I can't wait to pick her up at retail. Do we have a release date yet? Same goes for Trypticon. I don't usually buy Decepticons but he look so good, I can't pass on him. He will be great standing beside Metroplex on my shelf. :D
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887552)
Posted by bodrock on June 7th, 2017 @ 12:48am CDT
We are almost exact opposites there, my friend! I tend to go with Cons most of the time! :CON:

But as far as Tryp goes, I'm still undecided - I still have the G1 incarnation and he holds a lot of nostalgia, being the last TF I bought until eBay came along and brought me Snaptrap.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887554)
Posted by Chriphord on June 7th, 2017 @ 1:26am CDT
So I'm a little confused by this picture. This Trypticon is looking exactly like the T.Tomy version, and if that's the case, heck, Imma go Hasbro on this one. But it makes me wonder, will it be paint apps to Necros and Full-Tilt specifically that are going to be the difference between the two or are they just separate market versions of the same exact product?
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887563)
Posted by Qwan on June 7th, 2017 @ 2:25am CDT
unicron1200 wrote:So I'm a little confused by this picture. This Trypticon is looking exactly like the T.Tomy version, and if that's the case, heck, Imma go Hasbro on this one. But it makes me wonder, will it be paint apps to Necros and Full-Tilt specifically that are going to be the difference between the two or are they just separate market versions of the same exact product?

IIRC, the only difference to Trypticon himself are some small gray circle paint-apps on his back cannons that aren't present on the TT version. I haven't been paying too much attention to the differences between each version of Necros and Full-Tilt, but I imagine there'd be the trademark little-bit-more-paint on TT Necros and I thiiink Full-Tilt's gun is a different color? But yeah, basically no difference between the two - unless you can get them at practically equal prices and/or you reeeally care about getting the totally-100%-cartoon-accurate deco, you're probably best off just saving some money and going Hasbro on the big guy.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887564)
Posted by Blackstreak on June 7th, 2017 @ 2:58am CDT
They could have made him bigger. >:oP
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887566)
Posted by Albatross250 on June 7th, 2017 @ 3:25am CDT
IN HAND IMAGES TITANS RETURN: SIEGE OF CYBERTRON BOXSET Via TFND member group and Planet Iacon!
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887567)
Posted by Albatross250 on June 7th, 2017 @ 3:29am CDT
Tidal Wave's Carrier mode is based from this, on Beast Wars : Uprising
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887572)
Posted by Qwan on June 7th, 2017 @ 4:15am CDT
Albatross250 wrote:Tidal Wave's Carrier mode is based from this, on Beast Wars : Uprising
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Honestly with the length of time these toys tend to be in production (or pre-production) for, I wouldn't be altogether surprised if his appearance in Uprising was actually based on this figure's plans. Though who can tell for certain which came first; it's practically a paradox trying to deduce where the initial plan for this redeco came from...
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887574)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 7th, 2017 @ 4:37am CDT
A set with Ginrai, but no God Bomber.

Siiiiiigh............

I wonder if :TAKARATOMY: or :HASBRO: will ever make a special two-pack containing Ginrai and God Bomber? This would be a great excuse to make a Platinum set or something.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887575)
Posted by Qwan on June 7th, 2017 @ 4:46am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:A set with Ginrai, but no God Bomber.

Siiiiiigh............

I wonder if :TAKARATOMY: or :HASBRO: will ever make a special two-pack containing Ginrai and God Bomber? This would be a great excuse to make a Platinum set or something.

I don't keep up with Takara news too well, but I seem to remember some rumor floating around that there'd be some kind of Ginrai/God Bomber 2-pack (coming with Minerva and Hosehead heads to boot, I think) - of course that's a rumor at most, last I heard.

And it's pretty common speculation at this point that we'll see a Hasbro release of Godbomber in one the remaining two box-sets. There's been no official confirmation of any kind (even of more sets coming, let alone what's in them), but it only seems to make sense given that it'd probably be a good money-making move for Hasbro after they've already released Ginrai in one.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887576)
Posted by steals_your_goats on June 7th, 2017 @ 4:51am CDT
Qwan wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:A set with Ginrai, but no God Bomber.

Siiiiiigh............

I wonder if :TAKARATOMY: or :HASBRO: will ever make a special two-pack containing Ginrai and God Bomber? This would be a great excuse to make a Platinum set or something.

I don't keep up with Takara news too well, but I seem to remember some rumor floating around that there'd be some kind of Ginrai/God Bomber 2-pack (coming with Minerva and Hosehead heads to boot, I think) - of course that's a rumor at most, last I heard.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/official-images-for-takara-tomy-transformers-legends-lgex-god-ginrai-set-plus-cab-minerva/38316/ definitely not a rumour.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887577)
Posted by Qwan on June 7th, 2017 @ 4:57am CDT
steals_your_goats wrote:
Qwan wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:A set with Ginrai, but no God Bomber.

Siiiiiigh............

I wonder if :TAKARATOMY: or :HASBRO: will ever make a special two-pack containing Ginrai and God Bomber? This would be a great excuse to make a Platinum set or something.

I don't keep up with Takara news too well, but I seem to remember some rumor floating around that there'd be some kind of Ginrai/God Bomber 2-pack (coming with Minerva and Hosehead heads to boot, I think) - of course that's a rumor at most, last I heard.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/official-images-for-takara-tomy-transformers-legends-lgex-god-ginrai-set-plus-cab-minerva/38316/ definitely not a rumour.

Ah ok, cool! There you go. I guess that's a good example for why I need to keep better track of Takara news ;)^
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887586)
Posted by ExciKaiser on June 7th, 2017 @ 5:53am CDT
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Do you think that GPS will apply ?
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887588)
Posted by Qwan on June 7th, 2017 @ 6:03am CDT
ExciKaiser wrote:
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Do you think that GPS will apply ?

Seems unlikely to me. I think HasTak have pretty much worked out the whole GPS situation - the last documented case of GPS, according to my check of TFWiki, was Movie '07 Starscream - so we shouldn't be seeing that kind of issue again (fingers crossed). Remember that companies like Lego have been producing gold plastic, of almost exactly the hue used on Metalhawk here no less, for many years that can withstand huge amounts of stress without issue.
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887590)
Posted by Kurona on June 7th, 2017 @ 6:16am CDT
Also remember that there was a very recent case of huge gold plastic use in yet another Generations Boxset - G2 Slingshot. And unlike his infamous original counterpart from the 90s, he doesn't have any significant breakage issues!
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887595)
Posted by Randomhero on June 7th, 2017 @ 6:42am CDT
Qwan wrote:
ExciKaiser wrote:
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Do you think that GPS will apply ?

Seems unlikely to me. I think HasTak have pretty much worked out the whole GPS situation - the last documented case of GPS, according to my check of TFWiki, was Movie '07 Starscream - so we shouldn't be seeing that kind of issue again (fingers crossed). Remember that companies like Lego have been producing gold plastic, of almost exactly the hue used on Metalhawk here no less, for many years that can withstand huge amounts of stress without issue.



It still happens. Reveal the shiel wreck-gat suffered with his tan and orange plastic
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887596)
Posted by Randomhero on June 7th, 2017 @ 6:43am CDT
Qwan wrote:
Albatross250 wrote:Tidal Wave's Carrier mode is based from this, on Beast Wars : Uprising
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Honestly with the length of time these toys tend to be in production (or pre-production) for, I wouldn't be altogether surprised if his appearance in Uprising was actually based on this figure's plans. Though who can tell for certain which came first; it's practically a paradox trying to deduce where the initial plan for this redeco came from...



I think it was one of those things that broadside was announced and shown, there were rumors of tidal wave being made from that mold so they went with it
Re: Transformers Titans Return Deluxe Krok and Topspin found in the UK (1887599)
Posted by Rainmaker on June 7th, 2017 @ 7:00am CDT
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