All the Info Regarding 2019 Generations Line War for Cybertron Part 1

Will megatron be turning into a tank again? Might just be me buy aside from the more G1ish fusion cannon it seems to look like his old war for Cybertron toy.

I just checked the gallerys and...those are the Evergreen blue print paterns. Nothing new here

william-james88 wrote: and be centered around G1 characters.

Which is somewhat a bit sad. During a previous interview Warden said the line need renewal and to be refreshed, I really had big hopes for new characters, a bit like we got during Unicron Trilogy, or even like the RiD ones, but with more generation-like engeenering than the over simplified toys kids currently have.

And you say it'll be 84 all over again.. I'm already tired.

So about Waves 5 and 6 for Power of the Primes...

Hotconvoy wrote:I just checked the gallerys and...those are the Evergreen blue print paterns. Nothing new here

Chatting to Emiliano Santalucia, it looks like this may very well be the case.

All design parts fit, including the leg cannons, hip panels and shoulder pads:



He obviously did not and cannot confirm what is what and to which line it belongs. But, if anything, he confirmed that it is indeed one of his sketches.

Is Dawn of Future's Past a War for Cybertron?

Nah that was a botcon prequel to beast wars, a series hasbro wishes we would forget about since we got nothing for the 20th anniversary (we only got primal because of the fan poll)

ExciKaiser wrote:

william-james88 wrote: and be centered around G1 characters.

And you say it'll be 84 all over again.. I'm already tired.

The well of creativity on hasbro's current design team is about an inch deep, they already scraped the bottom and have come back up

Hellscream9999 wrote:The well of creativity on hasbro's current design team is about an inch deep, they already scraped the bottom and have come back up

Well of creativity from Hasbro ? or acceptance factor from the average Tfan ?

When I see debates about Potp prime fists being gray instead of blue.. I somewhat understand why hasbro continues to play secure.

I regret Rid2000/unicron Trilogy, period where Tfans where enthusiast to see indirect hommage to old characters through deco etc.
We were able to read things "Cybertron Hotshot is a nice hommage to Hotrod", "Snarl's chest is a cool hommage to BM silverboilt" etc.
Now that Hasbro gave fans what they want, we read "Hotrod is crappy it's 2 shade of red different than the episode 214, Dinobots are too small, Primal should have orange cockpit" etc...

Who said "the worst punishment is to give men what they desire the most" ? because it's how I feel the generation line currently. Hasbro gives fandom exactly what they wanted for years, and fans are not happy. and less and less happy in fact.

ExciKaiser wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:The well of creativity on hasbro's current design team is about an inch deep, they already scraped the bottom and have come back up

Well of creativity from Hasbro ? or acceptance factor from the average Tfan ?

When I see debates about Potp prime fists being gray instead of blue.. I somewhat understand why hasbro continues to play secure.

I regret Rid2000/unicron Trilogy, period where Tfans where enthusiast to see indirect hommage to old characters through deco etc.
We were able to read things "Cybertron Hotshot is a nice hommage to Hotrod", "Snarl's chest is a cool hommage to BM silverboilt" etc.
Now that Hasbro gave fans what they want, we read "Hotrod is crappy it's 2 shade of red different than the episode 214, Dinobots are too small, Primal should have orange cockpit" etc...

Who said "the worst punishment is to give men what they desire the most" ? because it's how I feel the generation line currently. Hasbro gives fandom exactly what they wanted for years, and fans are not happy. and less and less happy in fact.

You must not really know me, or my standing with anything G1 related...

It was absolutely not directed towards you, sorry if you took it like this.

It's a generic rant directed to all who'll recognize themselves.

ExciKaiser wrote:It was absolutely not directed towards you, sorry if you took it like this.

It's a generic rant directed to all who'll recognize themselves.

No, I get ya, I absolutely agree, and seeing the aftermath of this con, have felt a large amount of salt in the potp and predaking thread, seems the only good take away this year was the studio line, and what a line that is shaping up to be. Cybertron was probably my favorite time to be a fan, everything was right in the tf world back then, even thrilling 30 was great due to the diversity of the figures released, then warden took over...

Hellscream9999 wrote:everything was right in the tf world back then, even thrilling 30 was great due to the diversity of the figures released, then warden took over...

I'm not sure to agree. I've not been a fan of T30 and previous generation lines, at least on engeenering level. We got very poor engineering back in this time (do you want to discuss T30 bumblebee, Whirl, blitzwing...) wqith robot and vehicule mode not holding together, fiddly panels which never align and lock in place etc.

I saw lot of improvments with Warden. Tfs are fun to transform again. Just need to unfocus from 84'.

For me the greatness stopped somewhere during universe, approx during the FoC thing, and came back with a bit CW and TR.
Potp is a mixed bag, some great toys and some "why again?" (Starscrean, Inferno..), "why this cartoon slavery ?" (Orion, Windcharger..).

The problem how I see it regarding fans wanting G1 again....and again...and again is that it's not very good for everyone else, kids (and their parents) will start to turn their noses up at yet more of the same. Still I would love to see what happens if they give the seekers other alt modes other than the tetra jets or basically nothing we've seen before

Still wish Hasbro had thought up a different, all new name for this line.

Sabrblade wrote:Still wish Hasbro had thought up a different, all new name for this line.

Yeah, even a simple variation like "War of Cybertron" would have been preferable. This is "Robots in Disguise" all over again.

I'm fine with them going back to an '84 lineup just as long as it's Cybertronian forms and not another set of cars. Finish out the Headmasters and Autobot Targetmasters while we're at it.

Emerje

Hellscream9999 wrote:

ExciKaiser wrote:

william-james88 wrote: and be centered around G1 characters.

And you say it'll be 84 all over again.. I'm already tired.

The well of creativity on hasbro's current design team is about an inch deep, they already scraped the bottom and have come back up

Guys, I said G1, not 84. In fact, I dont think it will be 84, simply because we already have many o those guys and the later G1 toys work much more with the cybertron aesthetic.

There is loads of opportnuity for fresh takes with this line, the only thing making it G1 is the story backdrop which deals with the war (which is a time where we had G1 characters).

Sabrblade wrote:Still wish Hasbro had thought up a different, all new name for this line.

Well, we dont know what the line will be called, just the trilogy. Its not like the name of the previous trilogy was linked to a specific toyline. We dont call Titans Return Astrotrain as Prime Wars Astrotrain, so at least it shouldnt be too bad.

I want them to do G1 + G2 TFs that haven't been done before like the Motorvators, instead of more Optimus Prime and Bumblebees

I think the issue is that the original bots still sell (for now). The current design and marketing team knows this.

There are just certain characters you must have to keep the toys selling. I always thought some of those certain characters are the Dinobots, so that we might be able to get some voyager sized versions somewhere down the line. Now that we have a version in generations, there isn't a rush to get them all out at a certain time.

As for other characters I guarantee we will be seeing eventually, look at the fan vote. Finishing off the Decepticon double Targetmasters is definitely in this 3 year plan. Spinister and Needlenose are part of the fan vote. Then you've got Impactor, Mirage, Wheeljack, and Tracks.

Warden and team definitely want to give us good generations representations of all the G1-ish characters.

So we need to start thinking a little differently. We need to think, how is the creative team going to use the easy selling figures to retool, partial tool, and re-engineer into the more obscure characters that we are clamoring for. Especially since the are more than likely going with Cybertronian style alt-modes.

Let's see for starters (with the above known entities):

Mirage - I could see a Cybertronian Mirage equating to Sureshot. F1 style Race Car to a Buggy that looks almost exactly like an F1 race care, yeah that can easily happen.

Wheeljack - Cybertronian Wheeljack was a boxy transport thing, with some creative liberties, I can so him turning into Crosshairs (also a boxy transport thing).

Tracks - You can see where I am going with this. Sports car, guess what Pointblank is... a Cybertronian Sports car.

Remember, this is only speculation, but for those of us wanting these characters to be realized in G1, it's a tough sell to Upper Management I am sure to say "hey we've got these great ideas for the 1987-1989 characters". It's a higher risk to sell "new" characters, especially when the primary characters, who we know and love/hate, are what sells.

So, I think we should start a list of possible characters (the ones who have yet to have the Generations treatment since T30) who could be potential figures for this new trilogy, and how. Obviously they aren't all going to come to fruition, but it will be neat to discuss.

Oh, and what in the heck will the Master class become?

The other half of that, is that, now, we need to discuss if Generations sublines will now be a yearly subline instead of 18 months. If so that changes things, as it would dictate how many characters we can get in each class.

18 month toylines vs 1 year toylines:
Master Class - 15 vs 9-12 (depending on how the remaining Prime Masters get released)
Legends - 12-16 vs 9ish
Deluxe - 20-24 vs 13
Voyager - 9 vs 5
Leader - 6 vs 4

The Masters could be more Titan Master doing all the Headmaster Warriors and Unused headmasters they haven't done yet.

Another thing to consider, John Warden did say he wants us to speculate on what's to come. The design team probably wants to know what characters fandom really wants to see. So maybe if we continue "speculating" about certain characters (Seacons, Monstructor, Apeface, Snapdragon, etc) they will come to pass.

I really want to see Bumblebee and Hot Shot have a brother like bond, along with a Optimus interacting with other supreme commanders like Star Saber and Dai Atlas.

mordhelm wrote:I think the issue is that the original bots still sell (for now). The current design and marketing team knows this.

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Oh, and what in the heck will the Master class become?

John Warden did say once that they want to have a big Optimus per line. Not sure if it was his decision or a mandate from Hasbro (or both). So I definitely expect to keep seeing at least Optimus for each part of this new trilogy.

Also, if you rad the quotes in the first post, John Warden says that the upcoming lines wont necessarily have an ecosystem. So there probably wont be a maser class.

mordhelm wrote:Another thing to consider, John Warden did say he wants us to speculate on what's to come. The design team probably wants to know what characters fandom really wants to see. So maybe if we continue "speculating" about certain characters (Seacons, Monstructor, Apeface, Snapdragon, etc) they will come to pass.

Yup, this seems to be an open letter to us fans.

With IDW finally rolling out Unicron as the main big-bad for the forseeable future, I kind of expected the next trilogy to be based on Armada/Energon/Cybertron. That doesn't necessarily seem mutually exclusive with Cybertronian designs and G1 characters - especially considering how many staple G1 characters like Optimus, Megatron, Starscream, etc. were in the Unicron Trilogy.

Minicons and Micromasters could be collapsed together as one concept and sold at the $5 price point. A lot of larger characters could be double homages; for example, I could imagine the Starscream looking like a hybrid between the G1 tetra-jet, War for Cybertron seeker, and his form in Cybertron/Galaxy Force. Jetfire might treads a line between his Energon form and some iteration from War Within. Scorponok could end up being our Titan Class figure a couple years down the line, with a design that blurrs his G1 and Energon aesthetics. Omega Supreme would be another good choice, blending his WFC video game design and his Energon form. And of course, Tidal Wave would be a pretty epic Titan Class figure.

And then when you consider the practice of creating pre-tools (e.g., TR Sentinel Prime and Astrotrain) there's a lot of other potential, too. Each design may have a G1 and a Unicron Trilogy character planned for it. There might even be some Beast Machines stuff in there too. I mean, all of the Vehicons had Cybertronian alternate modes, and even though I imagine we won't see anything 'furry', I doubt we'll go that long without some beast modes. There are G1 characters like Catilla that could be pretooled as Transmetal Beast Wars characters, which would look just as Cybertronian as Ravage ever has. Heck, one mold gets you Catilla, Cheetor/Tigatron/Ravage, and even one of Armada Unicron's horsemen.

As a G1 fan at heart, I have no complaints about how the Prime wars trilogy has done things. What exhausts me is the fact that the movies, animated and the aligned continuity in it's entirety, are also essentially doing G1. Optimus, Bumblebee, Megatron, now Grimlock etc etc. They couldn't even get through Rescue Bots without Prime and Bee. Ever since what started with the 'Classics' line came along, I've been happy enough, but whilst Universe, Gen, thrilling 30 were all good it was too much of a directionless mixed bag in many ways. Size, quality, design and engineering were all over the place. Yes, 'Generations' has been 'G1' for over 10 years (classics started in 2006?) but, as I say, as a G1 fan at heart, I haven't been 'satisfied' and gorging on G1 these past 10 years. I've been quite bored if I'm honest.
The original classics figures were awesome for their time. They came out here whilst UT was still around. I loved UT, with the exception of being frustrated at Armada's lack of articulation. I loved Beast wars before that. Beast wars continued G1 in a fresh new way. RiD 2000 was a cool interlude, But UT was a new start. The basic beats of Optimus and Starscream's designs were there, but it was more new than old, and kept growing and evolving. It was new enough that then Classics was a welcome return for people like me to get actual modern G1 versions of my fave characters. But things slipped very quickly. Universe toys stopped being fun, and too much emphasis on 'Modern takes' just made things feel a mess. Prime wars, whilst re-treading old ground in places, and also, to me, offering CW 84 bots that were worse than their Universe/rts figs was irksome (but hey it saved me money)-has given me what I wanted. Simply, with no mess. Fun, modern, good sized figures of old G1 characters, even introducing many characters that haven't seen action since the 80's and 90's! They are also fun toys, collectible from retail (ish)and have a connective play pattern. Yeah MP is also G1, but I don't want an overblown collection of giant expensive figures of every character in G1 ever!. I like the MP line taking on the heavy hitters, and I own nearly all of them, but I wanted and waited for what Prime wars has done. Now it is done, lets move forward. Generations is the place for G1 homages and updates, no need to stop, but I'd be less tired of this saturation if the movies and other media made new stuff. Cyberverse looks completely unnecessary. Kids and fans alike deserve new stuff. I want new stuff I'd like to see the 'Kids' portion of things, and the movieverse to do what Armada did back in 2003.
As for Generations, I'd like to see more late G1 and G2 stuff, and some Japanese stuff. Road Ceaser, Turbo masters, play with concepts like the micromasters, and combiners like Raiden. Battlestars, Zone, so much that hasn't been explored in modern ways. And yes, start combining that with UT stuff. Get a team lead by Thunderclash featuring Hot Shot, Energon Roadblock, Dreadlock from Galaxy Force (sorry, I hate all the forced 'G1' names on UT characters...) But you get my idea. Sod it, throw IDW original bots in as well. Stock the shelves with the DJD!
As for speculation on War for cybertron...I think maybe they are starting a new continuity, set in pre-earth days. Yes this will include Op, Megs etc...but maybe it will diversify the teams and characters with pre-earth forms of characters not usually seen in that period. Again, a cybertronian Thunderclash, Apeface as Megatron's main general...Beast wars Quickstrike as a bounty hunter flipping between factionslike doubledealer with 2 robo beast modes...I'd like to think that is what Warden means. G1 isn't the only continuity to start at pre-earth. Armada did, Aligned did. Lets start mixing in some of that goodness.

william-james88 wrote:

mordhelm wrote:I think the issue is that the original bots still sell (for now). The current design and marketing team knows this.

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Oh, and what in the heck will the Master class become?

John Warden did say once that they want to have a big Optimus per line. Not sure if it was his decision or a mandate from Hasbro (or both). So I definitely expect to keep seeing at least Optimus for each part of this new trilogy.

Also, if you rad the quotes in the first post, John Warden says that the upcoming lines wont necessarily have an ecosystem. So there probably wont be a maser class.

See, I read that to mean "the toys won't have specific interactions across the entire line." So while we are likely getting Headmasters and Combiners, even Evolution toys, it won't be "WFC part 1 is all Headmasters" but rather, hey at the "Master" price point we can offer this variety of characters, at the "Legends" one this, at the Deluxe these, etc.

That said, if it means more Legends and Deluxes, I am fine with the Master class disappearing at least temporarily.

I just think Hasbro spent a lot of effort into adding this new class, it would be shocking for them to get rid of it. Specifically the Master tech (tiny figure that plugs into a shell that's a weapon/vehicle/pretender) is likely not staying. But maybe figures along that size, or accessory packs like we have been asking for? I think it's possible.

We likely won't know till Summer at the earliest, but I would just be shocked if they abandon the price point altogether.

Kind of hoped they would concentrate on the more monstrous/Kaiju/beast side of things with all the upcoming/recent movies (Godzillas, jurrasic Park, Pacific Rim 2, Rampage, cloverfield) but none of them really fit a war for Cybertron theme, not even dinoking, unless they make all decepticons animal form again as invaders or some such (but the megatron seems to dispel that).

I'm good if they go for pure cybertron modes, I can skip the line and concentrate on picking up older figures tho I can't refuse more titan masters (I'll even pick up the baynus nitro and cogman at some point)

Unicron emissaries, quintesons, Kranix, Arblus.
Some more femme bots (not combiners), more duocons, triggercons,apeface and snapdragon.
Reflector and the other headmasters nightbeat etc & other targetmasters.
Wouldn't mind seeing some odd throwbacks to other lines like Armada, Cybertron, car robots etc too. Even some G2 or victory stuff would be okay for me. Raiden Titan class for sure.

I'm not the biggest fan of Cybertronian alt modes, it works for some characters like Shockwave or Alpha Trion, but I have little interest in an entire line of them, so I do hope the trilogy doesn't concentrate on Cybertronian alt modes for too long (I know the title is War for Cybertron, but even so).

My hopes for more Beast Wars figures are pretty much dead now, and there aren't that many G1 characters left that I'd like new figures of. A decent Voyager or Leader Shockwave and that's it really. I do wonder if Prime Master Prima, Nexus Prime and Amalgamous will ever see the light of day now Power of the Primes has been cut short.

I may have missed something from the beginning : why does potp have been cut short?

Damn this is a let down, was really hoping it would get back to how it was with characters from all series being potential candidates for a new figure. As much as i like cybertron based stuff id still rather see a mix of things. Also hope they dont have stupid gimmicks anymore and they figure out a way to lower the prices, i didnt bother to even follow toyfair cause why look at stuff i cant afford or wont be able to find even if i could.

"including combiners you did not get yet" That's Japanese combiners or Piranacon! Oh, I can't wait! Maybe we'll even get Ruination!

ExciKaiser wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:The well of creativity on hasbro's current design team is about an inch deep, they already scraped the bottom and have come back up

Well of creativity from Hasbro ? or acceptance factor from the average Tfan ?

When I see debates about Potp prime fists being gray instead of blue.. I somewhat understand why hasbro continues to play secure.

I regret Rid2000/unicron Trilogy, period where Tfans where enthusiast to see indirect hommage to old characters through deco etc.
We were able to read things "Cybertron Hotshot is a nice hommage to Hotrod", "Snarl's chest is a cool hommage to BM silverboilt" etc.
Now that Hasbro gave fans what they want, we read "Hotrod is crappy it's 2 shade of red different than the episode 214, Dinobots are too small, Primal should have orange cockpit" etc...

Who said "the worst punishment is to give men what they desire the most" ? because it's how I feel the generation line currently. Hasbro gives fandom exactly what they wanted for years, and fans are not happy. and less and less happy in fact.

Characters retail hasn't gotten yet...

Well I'm sure Reflector would like to give a few four lettered words.

How about making some d@mn Quinteson's. Switch'em up a little and make them a threat having them combine to be a Dweller!

How about finally making the DJD!!? Bet they'd all sell more than Drift!

A quality Leader class Scorponok would be nice.... Just don't ignore the "quality" part. I don't want his claws on his feet because magic wand's are next year's gimmick.

YoungPrime wrote:Characters retail hasn't gotten yet...

Well I'm sure Reflector would like to give a few four lettered words.

How about making some d@mn Quinteson's. Switch'em up a little and make them a threat having them combine to be a Dweller!

How about finally making the DJD!!? Bet they'd all sell more than Drift!

With the DJD being over in the comics and the universe being rebooted after Unicron comes. I really wonder if its just too late for Hasbro to release them. Along with their alt modes being not for kids.

I'd like to see them go back to Titan Masters and give us those Toraizer and Optimus Prime TMs that were often on leak lists and even appeared briefly on Amazon. I'm not against them mixing them with more decoy armors as well, especially if it could get us some beast shells like Chainclaw and Carnivac.

Am I the only one that things monster combiners like the Seacons and Pretender Monsters would actually work better on Cybertron since they aren't Earth based (unlike Dino Force, more or less, and the Predacons).

Maybe this'll be the line that gives us Star Convoy and Super Megatron. I'm not ever giving up on that happening someday.

Emerje

So this will be the line that will include the supposed Titan Class Scorponok? Unless Omega Supreme is next.

I would like to see the DJD, even if they've been gone for a couple of years. If not as a wide release for each, maybe as an exclusive box set.

I know we got a Titan Class figure, but I would love to see a Leader class Fortress Maximus figure, with only Cerebros as the single headmaster.

This line, if what Warden has said will be proven right, should fill the rest of my G1 wants, one of which is a comic accurate G1 Perceptor. The Prime Trilogy line did a good job of getting a lot of figures right, for me at least, but it's not enough. It's never enough!

Having said that, yes I would love to see another line revisited, such as Armada or Energon. Those toys were pretty good in their day, but an update shouldn't hurt, considering the advancements in engineering.

I would love some retools of Armada and Energon characters. Especially Tidal Wave! If they make new seacons, I'm hoping they update the looks, maybe make them a little fiercer looking.

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I came in here to post an opinion after processing the weekend, but Hinomars nailed it at the start of the page 2019-generations-line-war-for-cybertron-part-1-discussion-t110745s25.php#p1940557

lakebot wrote:I would love some retools of Armada and Energon characters. Especially Tidal Wave! If they make new seacons, I'm hoping they update the looks, maybe make them a little fiercer looking.

I think Tidal Wave is the Titan Class figure no one realizes they want yet. The old Ultra class figure is amazingly playable, and with extra size there could be room for something like a proper base mode, Ramjet Mini-Con and the Sea Team as deployers/extra parts a la Six-Gun and Scamper, or even a literal portal to the Noisemaze where an alternate perception of reality awaits to crush your dreams while you soil your hands with mud you crudely fashioned into the shape of an aircraft carrier. Uh... anyways, there's a Broadside retool in there too for the G1 crew, or even a crazy USS Flagg crossover!

I hope Haslab goes after something like that for TFs. Star Wars didn't go straight to the Death Star, so Transformers doesn't need to go straight to Unicron.

ScottyP wrote:I came in here to post an opinion after processing the weekend, but Hinomars nailed it at the start of the page 2019-generations-line-war-for-cybertron-part-1-discussion-t110745s25.php#p1940557

lakebot wrote:I would love some retools of Armada and Energon characters. Especially Tidal Wave! If they make new seacons, I'm hoping they update the looks, maybe make them a little fiercer looking.

I think Tidal Wave is the Titan Class figure no one realizes they want yet. The old Ultra class figure is amazingly playable, and with extra size there could be room for something like a proper base mode, Ramjet Mini-Con and the Sea Team as deployers/extra parts a la Six-Gun and Scamper, or even a literal portal to the Noisemaze where an alternate perception of reality awaits to crush your dreams while you soil your hands with mud you crudely fashioned into the shape of an aircraft carrier. Uh... anyways, there's a Broadside retool in there too for the G1 crew, or even a crazy USS Flagg crossover!

I hope Haslab goes after something like that for TFs. Star Wars didn't go straight to the Death Star, so Transformers doesn't need to go straight to Unicron.

Titan Class Tidal Wave, would be mental. It would have to have the lift function of the original but it hold more planes than just a squashed Ramjet

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Seems like impactor is in last place. Great....

A titan tidal wave would be awesome, the lift would be big enough for a deluxe ramjet to take off! I love this idea...think they'll still allow him to combine with a megatron

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Seems like impactor is in last place. Great....

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steals_your_goats wrote:Seems like impactor is in last place. Great....

Its who I voted for too. I dont need another mirage, but if it means we get impactor on the shelves, then so be it!

Also, this poll is a pretty good indicator that War for Cybertron will basically be more of the same in terms of G1.

william-james88 wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:Characters retail hasn't gotten yet...

Well I'm sure Reflector would like to give a few four lettered words.

How about making some d@mn Quinteson's. Switch'em up a little and make them a threat having them combine to be a Dweller!

How about finally making the DJD!!? Bet they'd all sell more than Drift!

With the DJD being over in the comics and the universe being rebooted after Unicron comes. I really wonder if its just too late for Hasbro to release them. Along with their alt modes being not for kids.

Why should death be a factor? Shockwave and Bumblebee have both been dead since Dark Cybertron. And Mirage has been dead for a couple mouths now yet is part of a poll to be made next year while the WFC theme will be based on the past anyway.

Plus the DJD were featured in the last episode of LL despite their deaths. I'll still buy them dead or not.

Tarn is a tank, Kaon can be one as well (simular to Perseptor), Vos could be a Target Master or cannon inspired by Galvatron. While Tesarus and Helex could both be Mad Max type vehicles with features simular to their origins. It's in no ways hard to make these characters. But if Hasbro is cool with 3rd Party constantly eating their lunch well so be it....

Drat can't vote, don't have social media :/

The correct answer is (despite my wanting a good Impactor) to vote AGAINST Mirage and Wheeljack. Both of those just got figures in the last couple years. Tracks hasn't had a CHUG figure in a while, so of the characters with CHUG representation, he should get the nod. Of Impactor, Needlenose, and Spinister, all are good choices.

ScottyP wrote:I think Tidal Wave is the Titan Class figure no one realizes they want yet.

I have been saying it for at least a couple of years. Ever since Devastator came out. The ultra class figure was pretty good, even though it could have used some more articulation. The advanced engineering and bigger size can fix that. I don't even care if they abandon Ramjet, as the Mini-con gimmick was for Armada anyway. If they do keep him, he would probably be Legends sized, deluxe size would be too big to fit in the lift.

Titan class tidal wave would be cool but doubtful as he got a TR figure, but I'm all for Titan figure coming with parts of build a figure Unicron so that it would be at least four times the size of a Titan...). titan class raiden, Tidal Wave, Metrotitan, Scorponok/Zarak, Omega Supreme/guardian. If they really want to get double uses from the titan molds I'd be okay with a Broadside titan out of the Tidal wave.

I'm still kind of surprised thrilling 30 sandstorm didn't get repainted as G1 Sureshot so he might turn up in war for cybertron,

There has been a general assumption that the new line will be the pre-Earth war. What if the War for Cybertron is a modern war for Cybertron, and thus inclusive of Earth? I don't recall any definitive answers on when this will be taking place, if I am wrong could someone correct me?

That, and the fact that none of the toys are really accurate to any particular car anymore, makes me think we aren't just going to see Cybertronian alt-modes.

And, as William pointed out, they explicitly stated that we will see old molds pop back up (reengineering, retools, etc) from time to time.

Now, what I am most curious about is the post 2021 timeframe. It sounds like Generations is on a 3 year lifecycle now. So anything can happen after 2021, and it would be very interesting to see how the figures change as the demographics change (older, more "G1" oriented fans bowing out, younger fans with different expectations from the more "mature" line).