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Hasbro Confirms SS 86 Rodimus Prime Would Not be a New Mold (if it happens)

Posted by william-james88 Aug 5, 2024 at 1:22pm CDT 53,592 views
The upcoming Studio Series 86 Optimus Prime being a whole new Optimus mold, brings him much taller than pre existing CHUG Optimus toys. And this made fans wonder if it meant we’d get a new mold for Rodimus Prime as well.
The answer is no, there won’t be a new mold. IF we ever get a SS86 Rodimus Prime, it would be a redeco of the previous commander toy, or a slight retool of that toy.
This was confirmed by Evan Brooks, one of Hasbro’s designers for the Studio Series line. He also stated that once the SS86 subline/collection is complete, they could fill that void with a comic inspired subline. This was a response to a question asked by TFW’s IronWaveJRG.

Of course none of this confirms that we are getting an SS86 Rodimus or comic inspired toys soon, this is just to set expectations as to what you won’t be getting in case some thought a fully new Optimus meant a fully new Rodimus.

Hasbro Confirms SS 86 Rodimus Prime Would Not be a New Mold (if it happens)
Hasbro Confirms SS 86 Rodimus Prime Would Not be a New Mold (if it happens)

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Comment by cloudballoon Aug 5, 2024
Not surprised nor disappointed for the "possible" SS86 Rodimus Prime. The existing Commander figure is already pretty hard to beat, yet it shelfwarmed quite a bit in many areas & online. So I don't think there's much of a case for Hasbro to do a redeco/retool, much less for a new mold.

My major problem with it is really only some tabbing and weapon storage issues with the trailer, I doubt those issues justify for shelling out another Commander-class money for a replacement. But a trailer-less Voyager/Leader retool for a proper Rodimus Unicronus? Absolutely!
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Comment by Quantum Surge Aug 5, 2024
So in other words, stick with the already fine Kingdom one? Sounds good to me
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Comment by chuckdawg1999 Aug 5, 2024
SGMLordMirage wrote:A G2 orange Devastator would be cool to have.

SGM


People were expecting all sorts of repaints of the CW release that never came.
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Comment by o.supreme Aug 5, 2024
I've said this many times. We all knew the Kingdom toys that came out in 2021 that were based on characters from TF:TM were "SS86" in spirit, but just couldn't fit in the line that year for the films 35th anniversary. I didn't imagine back then though, Hasbro would try to re-insert them all into the SS86 line proper, but indeed it appears they are (Some getting new toys like Optimus, some getting retools like Springer, and some just getting a new paint deco like Blaster). I would be shocked if the CC for SS86 in 2026 wasn't a slight redeco of Kingdom RP for the films 40th anniversary. If they play things out right, they may be able to get most of the characters that appeared in TF:TM don't by the end of 2026, and so the SS86 subline would be essentially "finished".
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Comment by Sowndwave76 Aug 5, 2024
Unfortunately this new Devastator is not going to scale well with the Dinobots. But for me, if this set is overall better in terms of individual figures, & a really solid combined form, then I’ll be good.

I’m not sure about a reissue or retooled RP…. I won’t get it no matter what, especially if it’s $90-$100.
No way no day.

I’ve brought it up before, but I really don’t know what the plan is to “celebrate” the 40th anniversary of the ’86 movie…. I won’t throw-out my speculations again in this post. But there isn’t much of anything left to make/release.
I really would have thought Megatron, Devy, & even the CC Optimus would’ve been held back for ‘26…
I’m fully prepared for a half-a$$ed group of reissues/repaints…. And from there, it will just depend on these “movie appearances” as to whether or not I bite.
Kup, Cliffjumper, Arcee, Ironhide, Blaster, & Springer all made the cut for me. I’m assuming Galvatron will as well.
Not sure I’d go for repainted Insecticons or not…. The Legacy versions are pretty solid.

I’ve already started thinking that next year will really be my last for collecting…. I’ll keep an eye on what’s happening for ‘26, but I’m not expecting much. Although it’ll be interesting to see if Hastak continues with combiners.
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Comment by ScottyP Aug 5, 2024
Rtron wrote:
Lol, that last paragraph is why I never get the obsession with precise scale, specially when it comes to G1 toys. The show and comics themselves didn't have any scale beyond "this guy is USUALLY bigger than this other guy, and how much taller he is will change scene to scene". I get there's charts and stuff, but evidently those were barely followed in practice.
Yeah scale can be fun, but vibes > scale probably matters more once we start getting into extremes like Combiners.
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Comment by D-Maximal_Primal Aug 6, 2024
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
SGMLordMirage wrote:A G2 orange Devastator would be cool to have.

SGM


People were expecting all sorts of repaints of the CW release that never came.

I am still OK with not getting the repaint, I don't need the G1 style again. If I get the G2 cool, if not, no big deal.
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Comment by First-Aid Aug 6, 2024
ScottyP wrote:
Rtron wrote:
Lol, that last paragraph is why I never get the obsession with precise scale, specially when it comes to G1 toys. The show and comics themselves didn't have any scale beyond "this guy is USUALLY bigger than this other guy, and how much taller he is will change scene to scene". I get there's charts and stuff, but evidently those were barely followed in practice.
Yeah scale can be fun, but vibes > scale probably matters more once we start getting into extremes like Combiners.


Actually he SHOULD scale well with the Dinobots. If you really want to nitpick, Megatron in bot mode comes to about the waistline (maybe a bit lower). When Dev is on the ground, Slag is nearly as long as Devs is tall. Sludge IS that tall. That makes the CW version TOO BIG for "proper" scale from the 86 movie. 12-13 inches is about right.
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Comment by Emerje Aug 6, 2024
I'm thinking If they do add some minor retooling to Kingdom Rodimus for SS86 it'll be entirely in the figure since the trailer really doesn't need any changes. I think changing the head to be more like the cartoon, the backpack so it blends better stylistically with with the trailer and a more cartoon-like back wing. I think some of the greebling like on the arms and legs can be overlooked.

About the Constructicons and Dinobots, I'm not concerned about the scale since, if what TFSource said is actually true, this is the scale they're going for:

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Anybody got Sludge and Legacy Menasor handy?

Emerje
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Comment by Slashercon Aug 6, 2024
Emerje wrote:I'm thinking If they do add some minor retooling to Kingdom Rodimus for SS86 it'll be entirely in the figure since the trailer really doesn't need any changes. I think changing the head to be more like the cartoon, the backpack so it blends better stylistically with with the trailer and a more cartoon-like back wing. I think some of the greebling like on the arms and legs can be overlooked.

About the Constructicons and Dinobots, I'm not concerned about the scale since, if what TFSource said is actually true, this is the scale they're going for:

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Anybody got Sludge and Legacy Menasor handy?

Emerje
Don't mind the minor mess in the background. Anyway, I personally wish all the combiner's were closer to POTP Predaking's size, but that's neither here or there. Speaking solely on Devestator, as long as he's even a tiny bit taller than Menasor, I think the scale as pictured should work just fine.
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Comment by o.supreme Aug 6, 2024
Slashercon wrote:I personally wish all the combiner's were closer to POTP Predaking's size, but that's neither here or there. Speaking solely on Devestator, as long as he's even a tiny bit taller than Menasor, I think the scale as pictured should work just fine.


Scale has always been tricky with TF's. I think when CW came out in 2015, the scale of the Combiners was a fair representation of the time. Hoever since WFC things have started upscaling. Minibots & Insecticons for instance that were once Legends/Core class are now deluxes. Many characters previously scaled as Deluxe are now Voyagers etc.... So NOW a decade later CW/UW Dev & PotP Predaking are more in-line with the modern take, then they were when they were first released....

However as someone who owns all the Combiners from the CW/UW/PotP era (30+) I'm not about to throw all that away. I was almost certain SS86 Dev was going to be as big or BIGGER than CW/UW (its certainly more expensive :roll: ). If anything I might get SS86 if its basically the same size as Legacy Menasor, then I can finally replace the KO CW Dev I've had for the past few years. Id still want a Predaking at that 12-14 inch scale, but first things first (Id also want all the unmade combiners in my wish list at that scale as well)
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Comment by Sowndwave76 Aug 6, 2024
First-Aid wrote:
ScottyP wrote:
Rtron wrote:
Lol, that last paragraph is why I never get the obsession with precise scale, specially when it comes to G1 toys. The show and comics themselves didn't have any scale beyond "this guy is USUALLY bigger than this other guy, and how much taller he is will change scene to scene". I get there's charts and stuff, but evidently those were barely followed in practice.
Yeah scale can be fun, but vibes > scale probably matters more once we start getting into extremes like Combiners.


Actually he SHOULD scale well with the Dinobots. If you really want to nitpick, Megatron in bot mode comes to about the waistline (maybe a bit lower). When Dev is on the ground, Slag is nearly as long as Devs is tall. Sludge IS that tall. That makes the CW version TOO BIG for "proper" scale from the 86 movie. 12-13 inches is about right.


I don't think you're looking at the scenes and the perspective quite right... Megatron is not close to Devy's waistline (neither is any other Decepticon); it's that Megatron is closer to the foreground. There's a part where Shrapnel looks huge, but that's because he's even closer to the foreground than Megatron.
Slag only looks that large after knocking Devastator down because Devastator is sitting, and to make this look right, that means that his torso appears shorter since this is drawn from a high angle (or bird's eye view). In the drawing/2D biz we call this foreshortening.

I personally think the Dinobots have been drawn too big, and that's the mistake in these scenes.
Sure, based on the movie, a 12"-13" Devy is "correct" relative to the SS86 Dinobot figures.
But a combined form at that height is still going to be much too small compared to basically every other figure, whether it's ER Starscream, Legacy Soundwave, or even any of the minibots.
Most voyagers at 6.5" would reach Devastator's waist if he's 12"-13", making him too small. In the movie and in the character scale charts, even OP and Megatron only reach the top of Devy's lower leg.
For me, the CW version does scale really nicely with the mainline figures. Unfortunately, that height isn't going to happen with this SS86 version. I highly doubt he's going to be more than 2 inches taller than Legacy Menasor. I mean I hope he is, but I believe that's wishful thinking.

I know one of the focuses of SS86 is scale, but of course it's not always happening as well as most would like. Look at Arcee being so small.. Actually I'd say Hot Rod, Kup, and Blurr are also too small. And Ultra Magnus is too big.
I knew CC Prime would be bigger than the ER figure, but I thought Hastak would make SS86 Springer match this since he's supposed to be a beefcake and just about as big as OP.
Back to Devy, assuming he's done really well, including the individual figures, I'll be very okay if the combined form is a bit small.
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Comment by Sabrblade Aug 6, 2024
My, how the tables have turned.

When CW Devastator came out, people complained that he was too big and out of scale with all of the other Combiners.

Now that we get word of this SS86 Devastator being in scale with his fellow Combiners, people are saying that he should be much bigger than them.
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Comment by Rodimus Prime Aug 6, 2024
Sabrblade wrote:My, how the tables have turned.

When CW Devastator came out, people complained that he was too big and out of scale with all of the other Combiners.

Now that we get word of this SS86 Devastator being in scale with his fellow Combiners, people are saying that he should be much bigger than them.
Because SS86 is supposed to represent the TF:TM version, which needs to scale to the Dinobots mainly. I know we'll never get a big enough Astrotrain to fit everyone into, but if there are characters made using the SS86 label, at least make them accurate to the screen characters they supposed to represent.

Personally, I liked CW Devy as he was, and I did move him to my TF:TM shelf as he scales well with the Dinobots and hopefully in the future with Megatron. This new Devastator will move over to my comics shelf and will represent the Marvel version, Even though he was quite gigantic in there as well.

I'm glad we're getting this new set, I just don't believe he should be labeled SS86. We could have gotten a CW rerelease in SS86 packaging and it would have been fine. Either as individual releases or the 1st SS86 Titan. Or maybe give us the UW version, which comes with the individual weapons and better deco. Either way, that Devastator goes for crazy prices on the 2ndary market and a reissue would've helped out a lot of fans.
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Comment by Sabrblade Aug 7, 2024
The thing about the combiners in the G1 cartoon is that they were all larger than the sum of their individual parts. All six individual Constructicons were smaller than Optimus Prime in their robot modes, yet just one of Devastator's hands was large enough to fully wrap all five fingers around the lower half of Optimus's body.

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In other words, the Combiners were all size-changers, which is something that is impossible to replicate in toy form due to the Law of Conservation of Mass.
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Comment by Nemesis Destron Aug 7, 2024
Damnation....since I plan to pick up OP I think I may need to part ways with ALL my leader class Primes. No doubt we will get some repaints from our '86 guy.

I for one am not a fan that collects every figure under the sun so we'll see what comes after the figures release. :-? :VEHI:
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Comment by First-Aid Aug 7, 2024
Sabrblade wrote:The thing about the combiners in the G1 cartoon is that they were all larger than the sum of their individual parts. All six individual Constructicons were smaller than Optimus Prime in their robot modes, yet just one of Devastator's hands was large enough to fully wrap all five fingers around the lower half of Optimus's body.

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In other words, the Combiners were all size-changers, which is something that is impossible to replicate in toy form due to the Law of Conservation of Mass.


I hate to say it, but even as a kid that bugged me. WHile the ideas of combiners are awesome, the scale and realism were thrown to the wind. How big would Predaking be if the animals were realistically scaled? Good grief, he'd barely reach Prime's height. SUperion vs Menasor? No contest. The average size of the fighters making up Superion are ALL larger than Motormaster's vehicle mode. Interestingly, Silverbolt actually scales well to the other jets in the Aerialbots (the Concorde was over 200 feet long, about three times the length of the other planes which is about what the toy was). Make a combiner out of those and Menasor- with Motormaster's vehicle length of 54 feet and resultant tiny combined size- would be pounded into paste in a hurry by an Autobot monster. The worst offender though is Bruticus. Brawl should easily be twice the size of Swindle and just a little smaller than Vortex. Onslaught could conceivably be semi sized (mid 50 foot length) but...Blast-off? The space shuttle was over 122 feet long, and he made a LIMB? He's longer than Brawl, Swindle, and Onslaught combined (no pun intended...)!

I know...cartoon...suspension of disbelief...defying physics...selling toys...blah blah blah. It still bugs me. I SOOOO want a line focused on the realism and scale of the alt modes (expanded version of Alternators with reduced size) rather than scaling to the bot mode height and making the vehicles fit. The Seekers would be truly powerful as they would be so much bigger than the Autobots, making the Dinobots necessary to match the size. Grimlock in dino mode would be about the same length as a Seeker...(sigh)....I'm going to continue to dream, I guess.
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Comment by Sabrblade Aug 7, 2024
First-Aid wrote:The worst offender though is Bruticus. Brawl should easily be twice the size of Swindle and just a little smaller than Vortex. Onslaught could conceivably be semi sized (mid 50 foot length) but...Blast-off? The space shuttle was over 122 feet long, and he made a LIMB? He's longer than Brawl, Swindle, and Onslaught combined (no pun intended...)!
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Comment by D-Maximal_Primal Aug 7, 2024
Sabrblade wrote:My, how the tables have turned.

When CW Devastator came out, people complained that he was too big and out of scale with all of the other Combiners.

Now that we get word of this SS86 Devastator being in scale with his fellow Combiners, people are saying that he should be much bigger than them.

i have said this the whole time, at least for me, the tables have still not turned.

And that said, I prefer to prioritize combiner size, not individuals
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Comment by Rtron Aug 7, 2024
First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:The thing about the combiners in the G1 cartoon is that they were all larger than the sum of their individual parts. All six individual Constructicons were smaller than Optimus Prime in their robot modes, yet just one of Devastator's hands was large enough to fully wrap all five fingers around the lower half of Optimus's body.

Image

In other words, the Combiners were all size-changers, which is something that is impossible to replicate in toy form due to the Law of Conservation of Mass.


I hate to say it, but even as a kid that bugged me. WHile the ideas of combiners are awesome, the scale and realism were thrown to the wind. How big would Predaking be if the animals were realistically scaled? Good grief, he'd barely reach Prime's height. SUperion vs Menasor? No contest. The average size of the fighters making up Superion are ALL larger than Motormaster's vehicle mode. Interestingly, Silverbolt actually scales well to the other jets in the Aerialbots (the Concorde was over 200 feet long, about three times the length of the other planes which is about what the toy was). Make a combiner out of those and Menasor- with Motormaster's vehicle length of 54 feet and resultant tiny combined size- would be pounded into paste in a hurry by an Autobot monster. The worst offender though is Bruticus. Brawl should easily be twice the size of Swindle and just a little smaller than Vortex. Onslaught could conceivably be semi sized (mid 50 foot length) but...Blast-off? The space shuttle was over 122 feet long, and he made a LIMB? He's longer than Brawl, Swindle, and Onslaught combined (no pun intended...)!

I know...cartoon...suspension of disbelief...defying physics...selling toys...blah blah blah. It still bugs me. I SOOOO want a line focused on the realism and scale of the alt modes (expanded version of Alternators with reduced size) rather than scaling to the bot mode height and making the vehicles fit. The Seekers would be truly powerful as they would be so much bigger than the Autobots, making the Dinobots necessary to match the size. Grimlock in dino mode would be about the same length as a Seeker...(sigh)....I'm going to continue to dream, I guess.



Alternators with more varied vehicles would be so cool. But it would require Hasbro to make new character designs, and they don't seem to be fond of that right now.
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