Hi-Res Scans of Figure King No. 249, with Transformers Siege Decepticons, Big Powered

Is Shockwave supposed to be bigger than Megatron?

Everyone was complaining he was leader sized and too big, now they revealed he's a Voyager with Add-ons and the complaint is he's too small?

Looks fantastic to me thanks Hasbro!

Sky Tread is a must have.

What's going on with Shockwave's shoulder pad thingies? Look how hollow they are.

leokearon wrote:

SkyFire Prime wrote:Is Shockwave supposed to be bigger than Megatron?

Everyone was complaining he was leader sized and too big, now they revealed he's a Voyager with Add-ons and the complaint is he's too small?

Looks fantastic to me thanks Hasbro!

In most continuities, they are roughly the same size.

The problem for me is this proves WFC Shockwave is a ripoff, they are expecting people to pay Leader Class money for a Voyager.

Hasbro said they’re following the original scale guide pretty close and Shockwave is shorter than Megatron and Soundwave

A simpler way to think of this is, I would rather pay $30 for just the base figure that $50 for the figure as released. I think that's a valid criticism.

It's a great figure, I'm going to drop the $50, and I think the dual blaster boots at least will make for good add-on weapons. I'm not surprised that others are talking, though.

AcademyofDrX wrote:A simpler way to think of this is, I would rather pay $30 for just the base figure that $50 for the figure as released. I think that's a valid criticism.

It's a great figure, I'm going to drop the $50, and I think the dual blaster boots at least will make for good add-on weapons. I'm not surprised that others are talking, though.

They probably wanted to but figured “no it looks too much like a gun we won’t be able to get away with that”
Hasbro will never confirm that. Just like they wouldn’t do that with sixshot. The whole point of this line is they’re trying to be as faithful as they can. Obviously megatron can’t be a gun upside down but with shockwave, you turn throw a bunch of junk on him and turn him upside down and say he’s a space ship. This entire line is fan service and I’m willing to bet they wanted him to be a straight voyager but people at hasbro said “no we won’t get that thing passed gun toy safety laws”

This is the best they could do to make a faithful Shockwave and I love it.

Counterpoint: What separates Ultra Magnus, Rodimus Prime, PotP Optimus Prime from Siege Shockwave even though they all use the same figure + trailer armor gimmick?

Wolfman Jake wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Counterpoint: What separates Ultra Magnus, Rodimus Prime, PotP Optimus Prime from Siege Shockwave even though they all use the same figure + trailer armor gimmick?

I think the difference is in precedence. Ultra Magnus, Optimus Prime, and Ultra Magnus all have established alternate, smaller identities when they aren't either all "armored up" or "Primed" by the Matrix of Leadership. Shockwave was always just the base figure without the extra pieces tacked on. People who just want traditional Shockwave feel they have no use for the extra armor pieces, but will have to buy them anyway to get their ideal Shockwave. On the other hand, people complaining that Siege has too much G1 influence and should be more innovative should love the idea of a "powered up" version of Shockwave that they can customize with various additional parts.

A good counterpoint, though, to those that feel Shockwave's extra armor bits are "useless" and need to be relegated to the storage bin (or trash can), is that the entire line Deluxe through Leader class is engineered to be beefed up with various parts from the Deluxe Weaponizers. Think of Shockwave as coming with his own set of "Weaponizer" parts that can be mixed and matched on any other figure you want. Admittedly, they're obviously "Shockwave" themed parts, but they wouldn't look out of place on most of the Decepticon crew.

I figured precedence was a factor. Would that still stand had Shockwave won that Prime poll (unlikely as it was)?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Counterpoint: What separates Ultra Magnus, Rodimus Prime, PotP Optimus Prime from Siege Shockwave even though they all use the same figure + trailer armor gimmick?

I think the difference is in precedence. Ultra Magnus, Optimus Prime, and Ultra Magnus all have established alternate, smaller identities when they aren't either all "armored up" or "Primed" by the Matrix of Leadership.

I figured precedence was a factor. Would that still stand had Shockwave won that Prime poll (unlikely as it was)?

I disagree on precedence. Its more than that and more "in your face". Its how the product is presented to us and how we perceive value. You said it yourself, fans are buying Ultra Magnus, Rodimus Prime and Optimus Prime, all leader class/sized figures. They are not buying Orion Pax feat armour, small white prime feat armour or Hot rod feat armour. They are buying leader sized characters.

But with Shockwave, you are buying a voyager sized shockwave plus armour. What is presentd to you is a voyager sized transformer with a bunch of accessories. So its a very very different case than any of the previous leaders.

The best example this could be compared to is Sqweeks who is much smaller than any deluxe and comes with lots of accessories to make up for it (which ca either be used seperate or become a battle pack). And if we wonder why that went over well, its because this was a new character, a much lower price point and it did not seem random. There was order to it all.

And in reply to those saying the armour is included to make it look less like a gun, that is wrong since:
- The figure is still something on its own and will show so on the instructions
- the spaceship with bits doesnt look anyless of an upside dwn space gun than shockwave alone does
- the upside down not gun thing was first done with sixshot, anotehr elader figure who had no extra parts to "conceal" anything

Hasbro needed another bot for the leader price point but also wanted to stick to scale so they gave us a voyager sized shockwave with a bunch of accessories to customize the Decepticon mad scientist as we wish. Thats all there is to it.

RiddlerJ wrote:On a strictly personal note, I'm disappointed we don't have a Leader size Shockwave because I had all the other first year Decepticons in Leader size. Megatron, Soundwave, Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp. Plus the Legends sized Rumble, Frenzy, Ravage, Laserbeak and Buzzsaw were properly scaled (they went inside Soundwave after all). Even the upcoming Deluxe sized Reflector would've scaled with them.

It's definitely not the same thing, but maybe the Cyberverse Ultra class Shockwave will fill that role?