Leaked Images of G1 Decepticon Cartoon Three Pack Appear

While I've been seeing a lot of hate for this set on other sites, I may actually buy it. I don't hate the Earthrise Megatron mould as much as everyone else does, and I sold my Siege Shockwave and Netflix Soundwave on Ebay a while ago and I wouldn't mind having those two again. I think it's good that Shockwave doesn't come with all that extra stuff the Siege version had, less stuff to put in my weapons/accessories tub, and I skipped Coronation Starscream so I've never had that throne accessory before. The lack of Ravage doesn't bother me too much because I was never keen on that Siege/Netflix version.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Munkky wrote:While I've been seeing a lot of hate for this set on other sites, I may actually buy it. I don't hate the Earthrise Megatron mould as much as everyone else does, and I sold my Siege Shockwave and Netflix Soundwave on Ebay a while ago and I wouldn't mind having those two again. I think it's good that Shockwave doesn't come with all that extra stuff the Siege version had, less stuff to put in my weapons/accessories tub, and I skipped Coronation Starscream so I've never had that throne accessory before. The lack of Ravage doesn't bother me too much because I was never keen on that Siege/Netflix version.

If you literally don't have any of the figures or the throne, then it should be a really good pickup. I think one of the main complaints is that so many people have at least a couple of these things already.

There's another angle too: two of these guys might get new figures this year.

I've no use for an over priced 3-pk full of reuse I already have, have Megs and the Throne and Siege Shockwave is sufficient. While I'd like to get a proper G1 cassette player Soundwave, this really isn't it in the sense of recently redone Iron Hide/Ratchet. As well as Blaster. And even if he was new I'd still struggle to buying into the set due to the other two I already have. lol

Yeah I feel I will pick up this set. I will wait until the final images are posted so I can make a final decision...'nuff said!

Emerje wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:I guess it's possible this company is an elaborate front.

I never said mold release agents don't exist, I said liquid agents aren't used in commercial injection molding. There's other kinds of molding that do use them like silicon molds and casting, but not injection molding. Just imagine all the imperfections on parts that would be left behind by pockets of liquid getting squeezed into crevices as hot plastic is pumped into the mold.

The one product they say can be used for injection molding they claim has to be cured first and non-transferring, certainly not a "release fluid" that has to be washed off and is going to turn into dry fuzz.

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See the first one again. Cured to the mold, non-transfering, doesn't need to be washed off. Definitely not a liquid that's going to cause fuzz on plastic.

I'm not wrong.

Emerje

1. Sorry, but you ARE wrong. At least in treating non-transferrence as a universal thing. Some mold release agents used in injection molding CAN leave residue on the plastic; this is a known annoyance to model kit builders. I learned about it in the model train world, where I was told certain kits were best cleaned off before trying to paint. It's typically just a slick film, but it can build up like soap scum in particularly egregious cases. When people weighed in that that's what the problem with Nacelle actually was, I was inclined to trust them because A. it was a thing I knew existed c/o experts and B. I deeply mistrust it when the fandom cries "The sky is falling"
2. That being said, the "dry fuzz" description is comcerning. All the reporting I'd seen, it appeared to more of a scum.

Regarding other news:
Happy about Magmatron, annoyed at Tidal Wave and hoping it's somehow not too late for them to either A. Leave the combining to a separate Leader-class figure so that people don't have to buy a bulky $200 toy just to get quasi-combining (and the Titan doesn't have to deal with trying to hide or else seamlessly integrate smaller copies of its boat components) or B. Scrap Titan TW in favor of Leader TW and give the Titan spot to someone else (Like Gigastorm, or maybe Energon OS. My misgivings about such have diminished a bit). Tigerhawk could be fun, but the original might be preferable.
The rock monsters: ...Okay I guess? Neat, but given last year I was hoping these would turn out to be Autobot Pretenders.
Open-window boxes on leaders is a stupid idea that will cost Hasbro dearly if followed through. The Putzwing refresh didn't shelfwarm because of the closed box, it shelfwarmed because 1. Insufficient demand for Putzwing (literally every other LE Leader has shifted readily) and 2. Demand for all figures is being negatively impacted by current prices.

I saw talk of "Leader Soundwave" on a prior page. There are two ways that makws sense: One is them pulling a Coronation Starscream and issuing him with extra stuff (like some of the cassettes), the other is if it's Machine Wars Soundwave from ER Doubledealer (who has yet to be milked).
Speaking of ER Doubledealer, I think the Putzwing refresh should have been split with a refresh of him (alternating between cases).

Now, some questions.
1. Has anyone ever found Legacy Armada Optimus at physical retail in the USA?
2. Do Skyquake and Dragon Megs have full shoulder rotation?

Emerje wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. Sorry, but you ARE wrong. At least in treating non-transferrence as a universal thing. Some mold release agents used in injection molding CAN leave residue on the plastic; this is a known annoyance to model kit builders. I learned about it in the model train world, where I was told certain kits were best cleaned off before trying to paint. It's typically just a slick film, but it can build up like soap scum in particularly egregious cases. When people weighed in that that's what the problem with Nacelle actually was, I was inclined to trust them because A. it was a thing I knew existed c/o experts and B. I deeply mistrust it when the fandom cries "The sky is falling"

I mentioned this before. That residue isn't necessarily mold release but simply a build up caused by injecting melted plastic into a mold. Plastic is oil based, when it's melted there's going to be some oils released, if it's softer plastic there's going to be plasticizer leakage. Those companies linked to above call their release agents "semi-permanent", they wear down over thousands of uses, the amounts that appear on plastic would be trace at best and a far cry from the claims of the fuzz being a "mold release fluid" that needs to be washed off as part of the production process, that just doesn't exist in commercial injection molding.

1. Those companies aren't everybody; just because they use semi-permanent stuff doesn't mean everybody does (or that that's how it was always done). And plastic model kits are, in fact, commercial injection molding. It might not actually be what's the case here, given some of the new information I've seen from you, but unless multiple veteran hobbyists have been wrongly informed for decades... mold release residue is a thing.
2. Again, everything I had seen prior to this point made the buildup on Nacelle figures appear to be more of a scum than a fuzz. Which had me inclined to agree with the "mold release residue" analysis.

Emerje wrote:My own Nacelle has tiny bits of fuzz on different parts, not just the wings but also the left shoulder and right hip.

Emerje

Take photos. Then scrape some off into a jar or plastic bag along with a bit of paper and seal it, and keep it under observation; see if it grows or withers (or if it does nothing). And bleach-wipe the rest off of your Nacelle. That should deal with it, whatever it is.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. Those companies aren't everybody; just because they use semi-permanent stuff doesn't mean everybody does (or that that's how it was always done). And plastic model kits are, in fact, commercial injection molding. It might not actually be what's the case here, given some of the new information I've seen from you, but unless multiple veteran hobbyists have been wrongly informed for decades... mold release residue is a thing.
2. Again, everything I had seen prior to this point made the buildup on Nacelle figures appear to be more of a scum than a fuzz. Which had me inclined to agree with the "mold release residue" analysis.

You're right, I shouldn't generalize, but I did provide several videos out of the dozens I've watched, two of which were from Bandai Gunpla factories. Not just toys, but also things like buckets, bottle caps and even one piece lawn chairs. The process moves too quickly for a liquid mold release fluid to be in use and to me it doesn't make sense to introduce anything to the mold other than the plastic out of risk of errors, it's bad enough they're contending with trapped air. Maybe at one time a liquid was used and that information has been handed down over the years, but it seems incredibly inefficient in modern molding where they have to pump out tens if not hundreds of thousands of runners a day. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the "semi-permanent" release is sort of like Teflon, a non-stick coating that slowly loses a microscopic layer with every use. The Archon video I shared shows the kind of wear the molds go through.

Take photos. Then scrape some off into a jar or plastic bag along with a bit of paper and seal it, and keep it under observation; see if it grows or withers (or if it does nothing). And bleach-wipe the rest off of your Nacelle. That should deal with it, whatever it is.

In my case it's literally a few spots that I noticed, not really enough to scrape off as a sample. I did take pictures I wanted to hold on to incase this came up again. It's not terribly exciting, I'll admit.





The last image of the shoulder was originally more substantial, sticking up out of the groove, it was filling that spot on the groove. I brushed over it with my finger nail to see if it would come loose, maybe some stray cardboard fibers, but it broke up instead, that's when I decided to take photos.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:What I'm really curious about is how they intend to label it. Premium Finish? Legacy?

And the answer is... neither of those!

It's a new separate line titled "Dramatic Capture Series".

I'm guessing it's "capture" as in screen capture? Was there a scene with these three together on the Nemesis? I can't recall one.

Emerje

I agree that's what they mean by "capture", but no there was no scene of the three of them on the Nemesis in the G1 cartoon, since the interior of that ship was only ever seen in the first episode right before the Decepticons boarded the Ark. In this case, "Dramatic Capture" probably refers to a more general definition of we, the consumers, getting to create our own diorama scenes with these sets.

We'll just have to wait until tomorrow (or possibly later today since Japan is ahead of the West by a good number of hours) for the official reveal.

Looking good!

Ghost Starscream. Oh, yes. Waspinator ... I already have you. I wonder how much this set will wind up being? Because Ghost Screamer is tempting.

I guess this is the chance to grab Soundy for those who've missed out. Tough being packed with ER Megatron, though. Not only was Siege everywhere, but this Megatron has that terrible sworn/gun thing. At least Shockwave is pretty good. I don't think he really needed those extra bits. I wonder if this version will be prone to yellowing too.