More Promo Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-27 Ironhide

ScottyP wrote:I think I figured out what the problem is here that I'm having with this figure that I really, really want to like, but keep feeling more and more let down by.



Someone, somewhere said "It has to fit in the trailer." This leaves us with comparatively big robot getting shoehorned in to a small van design. That's likely where some of the very obvious design compromises come from, including the way too skinny head.

There are some nice things to say about this release. The actual alt mode looks great, the sled and accessories are an awesome touch, and I'd bet that the actual practice of transforming it between modes is going to be pretty fun. Just can't get over how genuinely bad the robot mode looks, despite it being close to not looking bad at all.

Seibertron wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Seibertron wrote:The head sculpt is what bothers me most. I'm not splitting hairs, it just doesn't look good. I could probably deal with the rest of his flaws if his head was spot on to the Ironhide head, which is really simple to draw, not sure what this was such a challenge for them to get right.

Can I ask what's not right about the head sculpt to you? It looks fine to me, and I think some of the promotional photography gives it a bit of a "stretched look," but "in hand" pics show it to be a little more proportional. The head and face look like Ironhide to me, and not like anyone else, so I'm not sure that's "wrong" with it to some.

ironhide-face-differences.jpg

It's Ironhide's face ... it's just not right! The jawline needs to be more squared off, his face is too thin, it slopes down toward his chin, instead of being a more rectangular face. This is another example of where they take the source material too seriously ... I don't think anyone would have complained about him having a silver face, but instead they gave him this oddly painted face similar to what they did with Bumblebee which dulls the details such as the facial lines. The eyes aren't big enough. The nose isn't wide enough. The bottom of the nose is too close to the upper lip. The nose is also too long. The lines along the side of his face should be very defined yet they can hardly be seen, same problem on Bumblebee's face.

If you guys can't see the many things wrong with Ironhide's face, not sure what to tell you guys. The smallest details can make the biggest differences. Masterpiece Prowl and Wheeljack set the bar ... Ironhide is a disappointment after them. It especially sucks with Ironhide because we keep hoping we'll get a great Ironhide/Ratchet toy at some point but continue to be disappointed with release after release.

Seibertron wrote:And my opinion still stands about his face. Nose is too small or too long or something. Jaw line/sides of face should be more rectangular. All you have to do is look at his character model! Ironhide has one of the easiest Transformers faces to draw. I'm bummed they got this wrong!

Cobotron wrote:
What is that in his chest? Terrain? A caterpillar? Dragon tattoo?

Seibertron wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Seibertron wrote:The head sculpt is what bothers me most. I'm not splitting hairs, it just doesn't look good. I could probably deal with the rest of his flaws if his head was spot on to the Ironhide head, which is really simple to draw, not sure what this was such a challenge for them to get right.

Can I ask what's not right about the head sculpt to you? It looks fine to me, and I think some of the promotional photography gives it a bit of a "stretched look," but "in hand" pics show it to be a little more proportional. The head and face look like Ironhide to me, and not like anyone else, so I'm not sure that's "wrong" with it to some.

ironhide-face-differences.jpg

It's Ironhide's face ... it's just not right! The jawline needs to be more squared off, his face is too thin, it slopes down toward his chin, instead of being a more rectangular face. This is another example of where they take the source material too seriously ... I don't think anyone would have complained about him having a silver face, but instead they gave him this oddly painted face similar to what they did with Bumblebee which dulls the details such as the facial lines. The eyes aren't big enough. The nose isn't wide enough. The bottom of the nose is too close to the upper lip. The nose is also too long. The lines along the side of his face should be very defined yet they can hardly be seen, same problem on Bumblebee's face.

If you guys can't see the many things wrong with Ironhide's face, not sure what to tell you guys. The smallest details can make the biggest differences. Masterpiece Prowl and Wheeljack set the bar ... Ironhide is a disappointment after them. It especially sucks with Ironhide because we keep hoping we'll get a great Ironhide/Ratchet toy at some point but continue to be disappointed with release after release.

And my opinion still stands about his face. Nose is too small or too long or something. Jaw line/sides of face should be more rectangular. All you have to do is look at his character model! Ironhide has one of the easiest Transformers faces to draw. I'm bummed they got this wrong!

Hellscream9999 wrote:To be fair, they kinda messed up cw ironhide too, I don't mind it, but it feels like they squished his face into and over-sized helmet...

ScottyP wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:To be fair, they kinda messed up cw ironhide too, I don't mind it, but it feels like they squished his face into and over-sized helmet...

I think that's a pretty long stretch to defend it with that example. I get playing devil's advocate, and it's cool if that's not even the case and you're ok with the MP's head, such is your right to that opinion. However, in the context of the bigger picture I'm way more ok with compromises on inexpensive mass retail figures as opposed to bad design on a line that's intended to give definitive versions of G1 characters.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:To be fair, they kinda messed up cw ironhide too, I don't mind it, but it feels like they squished his face into and over-sized helmet...

I think that's a pretty long stretch to defend it with that example. I get playing devil's advocate, and it's cool if that's not even the case and you're ok with the MP's head, such is your right to that opinion. However, in the context of the bigger picture I'm way more ok with compromises on inexpensive mass retail figures as opposed to bad design on a line that's intended to give definitive versions of G1 characters.

I was defending Seibs; if they can't replicate his head, or figure out how to update as generic a face as ironhide in the cw line, what hope have they in the masterpiece line, I dunno; It just feels like his design was so generic they really didn't know how to translate it into a toy, or update/modernize it.

I don't collect masterpieces, and even if I did, I don't think I would get this one, everything just feels wrong when looking at it, I think a simpler/cleverer design probably would've yielded a better result

ScottyP wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

Still not sure what that is. Underground cavern with energon deposits?
I love that this picture is proof that no one can get poor Ironhide right. His head is painted wrong in that cell.
I still think this toy is gonna be fun and I'm excited to get him.

Seibertron wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

Still not sure what that is. Underground cavern with energon deposits?
I love that this picture is proof that no one can get poor Ironhide right. His head is painted wrong in that cell.
I still think this toy is gonna be fun and I'm excited to get him.

It's when they were scanning to see what was in the volcano on the other side of the Ark's wall. Lo and behold there were dinosaur fossils there! On Ironhide's convenient chest screen are the bones (primarily the skull) of a Triceratops, which they would use later that episode as the basis for Slug Snarl Slag.

Cyberpath wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:To be fair, they kinda messed up cw ironhide too, I don't mind it, but it feels like they squished his face into and over-sized helmet...

I think that's a pretty long stretch to defend it with that example. I get playing devil's advocate, and it's cool if that's not even the case and you're ok with the MP's head, such is your right to that opinion. However, in the context of the bigger picture I'm way more ok with compromises on inexpensive mass retail figures as opposed to bad design on a line that's intended to give definitive versions of G1 characters.

I was defending Seibs; if they can't replicate his head, or figure out how to update as generic a face as ironhide in the cw line, what hope have they in the masterpiece line, I dunno; It just feels like his design was so generic they really didn't know how to translate it into a toy, or update/modernize it.

I don't collect masterpieces, and even if I did, I don't think I would get this one, everything just feels wrong when looking at it, I think a simpler/cleverer design probably would've yielded a better result

Hehe, this is what I get for interjecting! I understand now, just took me a minute

huryochagi wrote:He really looks like a guy in cosplay.

Amelie wrote:If they spent more time thinking about the action figure itself rather than gimmicky crap - we'd have a better toy. I don't really want masses of accessories - there are 3rd party companies that can provide that - what I want is a tidy figure.

SillySpringer wrote:Ahhh man, I don't have any MPs yet and I don't know which one to get first. I think this Ironhide may not be the best MP, but it looks pretty damn good. I wanna get a few of the car bots first though. I still want the Soundwave mold. ARGGGGG I am soooo behind!

SillySpringer wrote:Uh, what's with the hollow looking fingers?

Railbomb wrote:Does he have MP Bee's gun painted in silver in one of those pictures?

Seibertron wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Seibertron wrote:The head sculpt is what bothers me most. I'm not splitting hairs, it just doesn't look good. I could probably deal with the rest of his flaws if his head was spot on to the Ironhide head, which is really simple to draw, not sure what this was such a challenge for them to get right.

Can I ask what's not right about the head sculpt to you? It looks fine to me, and I think some of the promotional photography gives it a bit of a "stretched look," but "in hand" pics show it to be a little more proportional. The head and face look like Ironhide to me, and not like anyone else, so I'm not sure that's "wrong" with it to some.

ironhide-face-differences.jpg

It's Ironhide's face ... it's just not right! The jawline needs to be more squared off, his face is too thin, it slopes down toward his chin, instead of being a more rectangular face. This is another example of where they take the source material too seriously ... I don't think anyone would have complained about him having a silver face, but instead they gave him this oddly painted face similar to what they did with Bumblebee which dulls the details such as the facial lines. The eyes aren't big enough. The nose isn't wide enough. The bottom of the nose is too close to the upper lip. The nose is also too long. The lines along the side of his face should be very defined yet they can hardly be seen, same problem on Bumblebee's face.

If you guys can't see the many things wrong with Ironhide's face, not sure what to tell you guys. The smallest details can make the biggest differences. Masterpiece Prowl and Wheeljack set the bar ... Ironhide is a disappointment after them. It especially sucks with Ironhide because we keep hoping we'll get a great Ironhide/Ratchet toy at some point but continue to be disappointed with release after release.

And my opinion still stands about his face. Nose is too small or too long or something. Jaw line/sides of face should be more rectangular. All you have to do is look at his character model! Ironhide has one of the easiest Transformers faces to draw. I'm bummed they got this wrong!

phantom1592 wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:Ahhh man, I don't have any MPs yet and I don't know which one to get first. I think this Ironhide may not be the best MP, but it looks pretty damn good. I wanna get a few of the car bots first though. I still want the Soundwave mold. ARGGGGG I am soooo behind!

MP-10 Optimus is a glorious centerpiece for the MP line... and Prowl is a personal favorite of mine.

Starscream and Soundwave are probably be the two I want the most that I don't have yet....

getting behind on these SUCKS

huryochagi wrote:His robot mode looks like a parody on Ironhide. He really looks like a guy in cosplay. The first picture looks as if he says 'Can I get out of this costume already?!' His head being the worst. Most mistakes of his head have been mentioned. His helmet should go straight down. They made it wrap in a sphere shape.

On the positive side, they took effort to make the bumper to have the 'T'-shape in robot mode like the cartoon. His lower body is alright to me, although his diaper should be smaller.

I'm definitely skipping this one.

digktialx wrote:Yeah I'm not sure on this Ironhide either. He was never a must buy for me since I didn't like the toy (for obvious reasons) and the character in the cartoon. I'd be more interested to see the Ratchet variation but even then I'm still on the fence about picking Ratchet up.

-dx

Mr_Autobot411 wrote:hes a good attempt, but he seems off, the head sculpt im not digging at all, doesnt remind me of ironhide.

this is the weirdest mp release ive come across.........

SillySpringer wrote:

Mr_Autobot411 wrote:hes a good attempt, but he seems off, the head sculpt im not digging at all, doesnt remind me of ironhide.

this is the weirdest mp release ive come across.........

...you mean besides MP Megatron?