New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad

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Greetings Seibertronians! Thanks to a point in the right direction from fellow Seibertron user, Cyberpath, we've learned that Loopaza Mega Store's Facebook page has posted new scans of the latest issue of Figure King, which features a host of new images of Voyager Class Apeface! Showing both sides of his Titan master and our best look at how his beast mode head works. There's also pictures of Deluxe Class Crosshairs and the Micromaster Battle Squad.

We've mirrored the picture below for your convenience. Take a look!

Does this cement your desire for Apeface? Let us know in the Energon Pub and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews!

Credit(s): Cyberpath from Seibertron, Loopaza Facebook Account

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Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039695)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 27th, 2019 @ 1:00pm CDT

It's a bit weird, the jump in design from Tetrajet to Horrorcon :???:

william-james88 wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The Coneheads really do need to be a [Cybertronian] mold variant though, not just a redeco.

They will probably use that new earth mode mold and come out next year or so. Would make sense since we never saw them on cybertron, unlike the others.

It doesn't make sense in the fact that the idea of SIEGE was to give Cybertronian altmodes to Bots that never had one. You can sound off quite the list of examples as proof of concept, everyone from Ultra Magnus to Astrotrain. I vaguely remember the Battlechargers were in a poll to be added to this line and they never had one either.

That said, other than Jetfire and Omega Supreme, the SIEGE line concept has been by and large, a failure in terms of the Autobots. Their potential for cool Cybertronian vehicles squandered for generic "future" concept [Earth Based] car designs. No Bumblebee saucer or Wheeljack shuttle from the Sunbow pilot, just plain old boring cars and trucks.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039696)
Posted by blackeyedprime on September 27th, 2019 @ 1:04pm CDT

weird place for the cockpit

and explains why the jet cockppit looks like it does.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039697)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 27th, 2019 @ 1:54pm CDT

Wasn't the battlechargers in the poll for the next part of the trilogy? They were never mentioned in regards to Siege. I feel your pain with the distinctively unaltered alt modes for the bots, but then they obviously felt that they couldn't maintain a full three years on Cybertron (under their restrictions)

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039698)
Posted by sol magnus on September 27th, 2019 @ 1:58pm CDT

ZeroWolf wrote:Wasn't the battlechargers in the poll for the next part of the trilogy? They were never mentioned in regards to Siege. I feel your pain with the distinctively unaltered alt modes for the bots, but then they obviously felt that they couldn't maintain a full three years on Cybertron (under their restrictions)

I really don't see why not. This line has sold like gangbusters for Hasbro.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039699)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 27th, 2019 @ 1:58pm CDT

ZeroWolf wrote:Wasn't the battlechargers in the poll for the next part of the trilogy? They were never mentioned in regards to Siege. I feel your pain with the distinctively unaltered alt modes for the bots, but then they obviously felt that they couldn't maintain a full three years on Cybertron (under their restrictions)

It's been ...a while, since there was news on that poll. So I can't even remember the details at this point. That said, aesthetically they couldn't even maintain ONE year on Cybertron, let alone three :lol:

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039702)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 27th, 2019 @ 2:07pm CDT

The idea behind that poll was that the winner would be the Decepticon who snuck aboard the Ark as a stowaway, so the theme of this next line (rumored to be titled "Armageddon") could be the Ark's journey from Cybertron before it reaches Earth.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039703)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 27th, 2019 @ 2:10pm CDT

So from that standpoint, they shouldn't even have Earth Based forms in the next part either?

I wonder how big the next line will be and how many characters are supposed to be on the Ark??

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039704)
Posted by Microbot on September 27th, 2019 @ 2:19pm CDT

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Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039705)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 27th, 2019 @ 2:39pm CDT

Finally found him!

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039707)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on September 27th, 2019 @ 3:19pm CDT

Totally can't wait for Apeface. Glad they have the beast mode head like they did Sixshot's wolf head, with the titanmaster filling in an area, that way the bot mode face isn't exposed in beast mode. Even though he totally breaks continuity (Earth-based beast mode, Headmaster), I feel like he may end up being in my top 5 favorites from this line. Granted, all the figures from this line have been knockouts so the top 5 is basically 5 figures tied for first, but still :lol:

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039708)
Posted by blackeyedprime on September 27th, 2019 @ 3:52pm CDT

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:So from that standpoint, they shouldn't even have Earth Based forms in the next part either?

I wonder how big the next line will be and how many characters are supposed to be on the Ark??

Doesnt matter that much for future figures, we already know we are getting micromasters and they weren't aboard the ark and we already have figures with earth modes before even getting on board the ark.Just as screwed up as the war for cybertron games

As long as we get figures with half decent alt modes (no hope for the micromasters combined weapon modes or rumble/frenzy) and cheaper or better alternatives to the original figures -from what ever their orig series, as the next lines go on. Also we better get that Titan Scorponok and he was nowhere near cyberton or the ark

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039710)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 27th, 2019 @ 4:00pm CDT

Just as Apeface was about 4+ million years after the Tetrajets.

Springer and Impactor are already present in the WFC line, so we can forget this trilogy sticking rigidly to the limited roster of the 80's cartoon. Once again, I point out next year is the 20th anniversary of Car Robots... Perhaps Gigatron or Rail Racer might make it onto the Ark?

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039713)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 27th, 2019 @ 4:18pm CDT

A new rail racer would be awesome...I'm not getting my hopes up

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039719)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 27th, 2019 @ 4:51pm CDT

Despite the flawed jet mode, I'm really exited for Apeface.
Plus that Crosshair is pretty nice!

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039721)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 27th, 2019 @ 4:57pm CDT

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Just as Apeface was about 4+ million years after the Tetrajets.

Springer and Impactor are already present in the WFC line, so we can forget this trilogy sticking rigidly to the limited roster of the 80's cartoon. Once again, I point out next year is the 20th anniversary of Car Robots... Perhaps Gigatron or Rail Racer might make it onto the Ark?

Granted, this very year was the 20th anniversary of Beast Wars Neo, and we got jack all from Hasbro while Takara did Encore Big Convoy, Blue Big Convoy, and will soon release the Matrix Buster version.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039722)
Posted by STngAR on September 27th, 2019 @ 5:03pm CDT

Rodimus Prime wrote:Finally found him!

I usually wanted to get the trio of jets in previous lines but Siege I'm happy with just getting Starscream. :?:

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039727)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 27th, 2019 @ 5:58pm CDT

STngAR wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Finally found him!

I usually wanted to get the trio of jets in previous lines but Siege in happy with just getting Starscream.

I'm the opposite. Until now I haven't owned all 3 of them, only Starscream. Siege is changing that. I'm still passing on the Rainmakers and Red Wing.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039729)
Posted by william-james88 on September 27th, 2019 @ 6:18pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Just as Apeface was about 4+ million years after the Tetrajets.

Springer and Impactor are already present in the WFC line, so we can forget this trilogy sticking rigidly to the limited roster of the 80's cartoon. Once again, I point out next year is the 20th anniversary of Car Robots... Perhaps Gigatron or Rail Racer might make it onto the Ark?
Granted, this very year was the 20th anniversary of Beast Wars Neo, and we got jack all from Hasbro while Takara did Encore Big Convoy, Blue Big Convoy, and will soon release the Matrix Buster version.

Why would Hasbro commemorate a show and toyline they had no involvement with nor something that ever aired or was sold in the west?

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039732)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 27th, 2019 @ 6:34pm CDT

Rodimus Prime wrote:
STngAR wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Finally found him!

I usually wanted to get the trio of jets in previous lines but Siege in happy with just getting Starscream.
I'm the opposite. Until now I haven't owned all 3 of them, only Starscream. Siege is changing that. I'm still passing on the Rainmakers and Red Wing.

I'm sort of the opposite. I finally got a larger than deluxe Skywarp, and the rainmakers and Redwing, but I'm not getting Starscream or Thundercracker

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039743)
Posted by emlit on September 27th, 2019 @ 7:34pm CDT

Rodimus Prime wrote:
STngAR wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Finally found him!

I usually wanted to get the trio of jets in previous lines but Siege in happy with just getting Starscream.
I'm the opposite. Until now I haven't owned all 3 of them, only Starscream. Siege is changing that. I'm still passing on the Rainmakers and Red Wing.

Passing on Red Wing? Out of all the Siege Seekers, I think his paint scheme looks the best, and I’m a huge Thundercracker fan. I wish I had a Target less than an hour away and a Red Card...

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039744)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 27th, 2019 @ 7:45pm CDT

I adore the Seige seeker mold. But I have space and budget limitations. So the only extra seeker I'll get is Thundercracker for my sealed TC collection.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039748)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 27th, 2019 @ 8:30pm CDT

emlit wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
STngAR wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Finally found him!

I usually wanted to get the trio of jets in previous lines but Siege in happy with just getting Starscream.
I'm the opposite. Until now I haven't owned all 3 of them, only Starscream. Siege is changing that. I'm still passing on the Rainmakers and Red Wing.

Passing on Red Wing? Out of all the Siege Seekers, I think his paint scheme looks the best, and I’m a huge Thundercracker fan. I wish I had a Target less than an hour away and a Red Card...

I just got myself a Red Wing by circumventing the Red Card exclusivity altogether, having ordered my Red Wing from Action Robo. And as of this typing, RobotKingdom currently has him in stock, as well.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039751)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 27th, 2019 @ 8:57pm CDT

After seeing something like this in a group chat, I tried it.

All my Autobot Micromasters combined

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039755)
Posted by emlit on September 27th, 2019 @ 10:34pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
emlit wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
STngAR wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Finally found him!

I usually wanted to get the trio of jets in previous lines but Siege in happy with just getting Starscream.
I'm the opposite. Until now I haven't owned all 3 of them, only Starscream. Siege is changing that. I'm still passing on the Rainmakers and Red Wing.

Passing on Red Wing? Out of all the Siege Seekers, I think his paint scheme looks the best, and I’m a huge Thundercracker fan. I wish I had a Target less than an hour away and a Red Card...
I just got myself a Red Wing by circumventing the Red Card exclusivity altogether, having ordered my Red Wing from Action Robo. And as of this typing, RobotKingdom currently has him in stock, as well.

Great! Shopping ho!

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039763)
Posted by sol magnus on September 28th, 2019 @ 7:32am CDT

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Just as Apeface was about 4+ million years after the Tetrajets.

Springer and Impactor are already present in the WFC line, so we can forget this trilogy sticking rigidly to the limited roster of the 80's cartoon. Once again, I point out next year is the 20th anniversary of Car Robots... Perhaps Gigatron or Rail Racer might make it onto the Ark?

The cartoon didn't presuppose Apeface and the other Decepticons that showed up in Rebirth were "new", but it didn't presuppose they had "Earth" modes, either. Most of the figures after the 86 cast showed up were vague/ambiguous enough to be Cybertonian on the cartoon. If you get into the 88 cast, they seemed to kind of go back to Earth-ish modes.

Basically, Apeface (and others) works just as well as a Cybertonian jet as he does a futuristic jet.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039765)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 28th, 2019 @ 7:56am CDT

sol magnus wrote:Basically, Apeface (and others) works just as well as a Cybertonian jet as he does a futuristic jet.

That sums up most of the Siege line. Most bots have earth modes that are just futuristic enough. Add some extra line works and "acne" to make the thing "Cybertronian". So far the only bots that are truly Cybertronian are Chromia, the seekers, Soundwave, and Shockwave.

I miss the unique designs of the Activision games. Those were all TRUE Cybertronian bots.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039769)
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on September 28th, 2019 @ 10:21am CDT

TF-fan kev777 wrote:Siege Barricade is up for pre-order on amazon. The listing is currently defaulting to a 3rd party seller, but if you check all the available sellers, Amazon has him for $19.99.

https://www.amazon.com/Tra-Gen-Wfc-Delu?tag=seibertron07-20& ... way&sr=8-1

This kind of got buried in the recent photos and wanted to bump this up. Barricade is still showing up as temporarily out of stock but available to order just like Mirage and Impactor. However, my barricade shipped last night and I should have it tomorrow :shock:

I've had Mirage on pre-order since back when they had him as shipping September 1st, which got pushed back. No word on him yet, but Barricade just becoming available to order from Amazon and shipping the same day was a nice surprise. Not sure how many they actually have, but I'll post some photos tomorrow once he gets here.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039770)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 28th, 2019 @ 10:36am CDT

sol magnus wrote:Basically, Apeface (and others) works just as well as a Cybertonian jet as he does a futuristic jet.

One of the concepts to Transformers I always liked was the parable of the escalation of war. Akin to comparing the Wright Flier to a Fighter Jet, but with a vastly greater timescale. By visual indication, the Transformers of "2005" and beyond, were more advanced bots. Compare Chromedome to Sunstreaker or, more aptly the uniformity of the Tetrajet to Triggerhappy. Springer and the other latter generation Triple Changers didn't share any visual cues with the pre-Earth Cybertronian aesthetic. Plus they were a lot more durable and better armed. As though purpose built for war, unlike the initial Autobots and Decepticons that began the Great War.

-Kanrabat- wrote:That sums up most of the Siege line. Most bots have earth modes that are just futuristic enough. Add some extra line works and "acne" to make the thing "Cybertronian". So far the only bots that are truly Cybertronian are Chromia, the seekers, Soundwave, and Shockwave.

I miss the unique designs of the Activision games. Those were all TRUE Cybertronian bots.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039772)
Posted by sol magnus on September 28th, 2019 @ 10:44am CDT

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
sol magnus wrote:Basically, Apeface (and others) works just as well as a Cybertonian jet as he does a futuristic jet.

One of the concepts to Transformers I always liked was the parable of the escalation of war. Akin to comparing the Wright Flier to a Fighter Jet, but with a vastly greater timescale. By visual indication, the Transformers of "2005" and beyond, were more advanced bots. Compare Chromedome to Sunstreaker or, more aptly the uniformity of the Tetrajet to Triggerhappy. Springer and the other latter generation Triple Changers didn't share any visual cues with the pre-Earth Cybertronian aesthetic. Plus they were a lot more durable and better armed. As though purpose built for war, unlike the initial Autobots and Decepticons that began the Great War.

-Kanrabat- wrote:That sums up most of the Siege line. Most bots have earth modes that are just futuristic enough. Add some extra line works and "acne" to make the thing "Cybertronian". So far the only bots that are truly Cybertronian are Chromia, the seekers, Soundwave, and Shockwave.

I miss the unique designs of the Activision games. Those were all TRUE Cybertronian bots.

Not disparing when I say that's all headcanon, which is perfectly fine, but not supported by any facts. For all we know, Kup, Blurr, Springer, Arcee and Hotrod were just futuristic Earth-modes...except for the existence of Wheelie, who had never been to Earth but shares their design aesthetic.

The War for Cyberton game gave us "more Cybertronian" bots and alt-modes, but on the show and in the comic they all just looked like themselves but transformed into things that weren't what they transformed into on Earth.

I don't think there's anything wrong with either approach, WFC or WFC: Siege, but I do find Astrotrain kind of lamentable in that regard. Maybe he's future Astrotrain who traveled back through time and can thus share space with Titans Return Astrotrain. Might be how i approach it on my display table.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039773)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 28th, 2019 @ 10:57am CDT

sol magnus wrote:Not disparing when I say that's all headcanon, which is perfectly fine, but not supported by any facts. For all we know, Kup, Blurr, Springer, Arcee and Hotrod were just futuristic Earth-modes...except for the existence of Wheelie, who had never been to Earth but shares their design aesthetic.

My point is entire supported by the facts. As shown in the cartoon, toys, associated media IE Basically Everything, but hey? who keeps track of all that >:oP

Earth didn't disappear after The Movie. No Earth vehicles look like the post Movie cast. The bots themselves all (including Wheelie) share a design aesthetic to further exemplify that they are a new generation, via faces, more streamlined body shapes etc Much in the same way the Headmasters and Targetmasters share a distinct visual physicality.

There is more to the visual language of G1 than pew pews. They always showed the evolution of the Cybertronian form with each successive line.... Until they lost the plot with Pretenders and Actionmasters.

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Posted by sol magnus on September 28th, 2019 @ 11:13am CDT

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
sol magnus wrote:Not disparing when I say that's all headcanon, which is perfectly fine, but not supported by any facts. For all we know, Kup, Blurr, Springer, Arcee and Hotrod were just futuristic Earth-modes...except for the existence of Wheelie, who had never been to Earth but shares their design aesthetic.

My point is entire supported by the facts. As shown in the cartoon, toys, associated media IE Basically Everything, but hey? who keeps track of all that

Earth didn't disappear after The Movie. No Earth vehicles look like the post Movie cast. The bots themselves all (including Wheelie) share a design aesthetic to further exemplify that they are a new generation, via faces, more streamlined body shapes etc Much in the same way the Headmasters and Targetmasters share a distinct visual physicality.

There is more to the visual language of G1 than pew pews. They always showed the evolution of the Cybertronian form with each successive line.... Until they lost the plot with Pretenders and Actionmasters.

Well, I wasn't disparaging. I know we get into it a lot on here, but from my standpoint it's not malicious. We're free to disagree.

However, it doesn't change the fact that that your idea is all conjecture. To say it's supported by 'facts' is erroneous.

We don't know what very many Earth vehicles look like post movie. The 86 season shows everything from hover cars to jalopy trucks. We don't, in fact, have any reason to think they changed into new Earth vehicles. I just said "we don't know." We don't know because Hasbro has never said. If they have, just show me and I'll recant.

However, Wheelie DEFINITELY doesn't transform into an Earth vehicle. We know that based on facts, unless we don't take it as fact that he was never on Earth before the movie. The 'streamlined body shapes' was basically Floro Dery's evolution of art style making them seem more...organic.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039777)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 28th, 2019 @ 11:32am CDT

sol magnus wrote:However, Wheelie DEFINITELY doesn't transform into an Earth vehicle. We know that based on facts, unless we don't take it as fact that he was never on Earth before the movie.

The Wiki wrote:He turns into a generic "futuristic car".
His design is likely based on the 1956 Fiat Abarth,
A 50s concept car

Meanhwile, in contrast, to what you assume are facts, and those that actually are, is Blurr. The last of the New Movie cast:

The Wiki, again wrote:Blurr transforms into a blue Cybertronic hovercar.

sol magnus wrote:The 'streamlined body shapes' was basically Floro Dery's evolution of art style making them seem more...organic.

Exactly the point. No one from after the Movie looked like a Seeker or Mini Vehicle, from before it. The Season One/Two cast shared a similar boxy design. The post Movie cast came in all shapes and sizes, the visual representation of their technology evolving. The real facts are self evident.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039778)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 28th, 2019 @ 11:38am CDT

Speaking as a regular contributor to TFWiki, it is not to be treated as an official source outside of the "/src" articles. It is merely a resource of information gleaned from official sources.

And in the case of the G1 toy write-ups, it has been recently pointed out by the higher-ups that many of them are in need of a re-write to have all of the facts laid straight, as a number of them are currently littered with misinformation and hearsay left over from the Wiki's early years when the current standard of accuracy wasn't as strongly enforced as it is now.

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Posted by haldand on September 28th, 2019 @ 11:44am CDT

Rodimus Knight wrote:So I might be in the minority here, but I think that looks awful. The connectivity thing was just a bad choice IMHO.

Starting to agree with you. I liked the idea of it, but I can't say that I've ever really used that feature. Plus the connections are not always easy to attach. It's an optional feature anyway and I don't feel obliged to use it when displaying my Fort Max and Trypticon with their little base buddies.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039780)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 28th, 2019 @ 11:45am CDT

I always prepare for the "Umm Actually" guy, whenever they emerge...

The tech specs themselves, inform what was said in the wiki. Earth based alt-mode origins for Wheelie, Cybertronic for Blurr.

Meanwhile, Back on Topic... I really want to see what WFC could do with this guy:

Or this one:

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Posted by blackeyedprime on September 28th, 2019 @ 12:40pm CDT

well if the TR Thunderwing got scrapped it might be because the earth mode starscream and deluxe cliffjumper could be pretenders (with cliffjumper being used for a bee down the line). Then Cliff could still be legends sized

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Posted by sol magnus on September 28th, 2019 @ 12:54pm CDT

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
sol magnus wrote:However, Wheelie DEFINITELY doesn't transform into an Earth vehicle. We know that based on facts, unless we don't take it as fact that he was never on Earth before the movie.

The Wiki wrote:He turns into a generic "futuristic car".
His design is likely based on the 1956 Fiat Abarth,
A 50s concept car

Meanhwile, in contrast, to what you assume are facts, and those that actually are, is Blurr. The last of the New Movie cast:

The Wiki, again wrote:Blurr transforms into a blue Cybertronic hovercar.

sol magnus wrote:The 'streamlined body shapes' was basically Floro Dery's evolution of art style making them seem more...organic.

Exactly the point. No one from after the Movie looked like a Seeker or Mini Vehicle, from before it. The Season One/Two cast shared a similar boxy design. The post Movie cast came in all shapes and sizes, the visual representation of their technology evolving. The real facts are self evident.

So, the WIki's opinion that Wheelie is based on an Earth car proves your 'facts' are 'facts?' Not seeing it. So what if it's based on an Earth car. It's not. It really can't be if the character has never been to Earth.

Saying it's a futuristic car doesn't mean it's not a Cybertron mode, their all futuristic on Cyberton. And it's not an evolution when you consider the Autobot females from 1985 and Alpha Trion also from 1985 share the same 'organic' design pattern, and they've been around millions of years.

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Posted by Skritz on September 28th, 2019 @ 2:03pm CDT

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Thunderwing would work well as a reshell of a CHUG Star Saber.

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Posted by sol magnus on September 28th, 2019 @ 2:17pm CDT

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I always prepare for the "Umm Actually" guy, whenever they emerge...

The tech specs themselves, inform what was said in the wiki. Earth based alt-mode origins for Wheelie, Cybertronic for Blurr.

Yeah, I have them at home.

Blurr's 'cybertronic race horse' thing doesn't explicity mean his alt-mode, nor would it change the fact that he was 'descended' from those if he had an Earth mode.

An Wheelie's bio -- again, since we were talking about the cartoon YOU BROUGHT UP -- is moving the goalposts Mr. "Umm Actually."

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Just as Apeface was about 4+ million years after the Tetrajets.

Springer and Impactor are already present in the WFC line, so we can forget this trilogy sticking rigidly to the limited roster of the 80's cartoon. Once again, I point out next year is the 20th anniversary of Car Robots... Perhaps Gigatron or Rail Racer might make it onto the Ark?

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039789)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 28th, 2019 @ 2:22pm CDT

Skritz wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again: Thunderwing would work well as a reshell of a CHUG Star Saber.

Well, they would be two completely different molds. But both would follow the same principle and similar engineering. I'd really love to see them made eventually.
Oh, and they better be Commander Class like Jetfire.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039792)
Posted by Skritz on September 28th, 2019 @ 3:19pm CDT

-Kanrabat- wrote:
Skritz wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again: Thunderwing would work well as a reshell of a CHUG Star Saber.

Well, they would be two completely different molds. But both would follow the same principle and similar engineering. I'd really love to see them made eventually.
Oh, and they better be Commander Class like Jetfire.

I think the core engineering skeleton can work, especially if we go with the idea that Thunderwing is the retool (or pretool if released first). Both are big space-jet, albeit with very different look, who have a front part that separate and become a smaller robot. Basically, this take on Thunderwing would use the Saber-to-Star Saber engineering to loosely replicate the inner robot and use the completed form for the outer robot.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039798)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 28th, 2019 @ 3:44pm CDT

I really want a commander Pretender Thunderwing. It is only logical

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039799)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 28th, 2019 @ 3:46pm CDT

I'd be down for commander class thunderwing. And a commander class Star Saber, though only if it was confirmed we were getting Victory Leo as well.

Regarding the new guys not looking like the old ones...isnt that just because they were brand new toys versus the season 1 & 2 guys being Diaclone and Microchange guys? If they did all the toys from the ground up there wouldn't be much difference in design. Plus I always thought Hot Rod and the rest were always around but never seen and linked back up with Prime and Co... You know like every continuity has handled them since

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039800)
Posted by sol magnus on September 28th, 2019 @ 3:48pm CDT

ZeroWolf wrote:Regarding the new guys not looking like the old ones...isnt that just because they were brand new toys versus the season 1 & 2 guys being Diaclone and Microchange guys? If they did all the toys from the ground up there wouldn't be much difference in design. Plus I always thought Hot Rod and the rest were always around but never seen and linked back up with Prime and Co... You know like every continuity has handled them since

That was always my assumption, too, but whatevs.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039803)
Posted by Skritz on September 28th, 2019 @ 4:21pm CDT

ZeroWolf wrote:I'd be down for commander class thunderwing. And a commander class Star Saber, though only if it was confirmed we were getting Victory Leo as well.

I'd be okay with a Leaser Class Star Saber and a Voyager Weaponizer Victory Leo.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039804)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 28th, 2019 @ 4:26pm CDT

Skritz wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I'd be down for commander class thunderwing. And a commander class Star Saber, though only if it was confirmed we were getting Victory Leo as well.

I'd be okay with a Leaser Class Star Saber and a Voyager Weaponizer Victory Leo.

That would also work for me as it would open the door for a voyager Weaponizer overload

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039805)
Posted by Skritz on September 28th, 2019 @ 4:27pm CDT

ZeroWolf wrote:
Skritz wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I'd be down for commander class thunderwing. And a commander class Star Saber, though only if it was confirmed we were getting Victory Leo as well.

I'd be okay with a Leaser Class Star Saber and a Voyager Weaponizer Victory Leo.

That would also work for me as it would open the door for a voyager Weaponizer overload

Exactly!

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039806)
Posted by blackeyedprime on September 28th, 2019 @ 4:31pm CDT

Honestly dont need another star saber, the masterpiece covers it -but would like a G1 reissue. Thunderwings nothing like star saber to remold (but hey, that could be said of overlord) and commander class would make it out of scale with hopefully any other pretenders they did to go with him.

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039808)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 28th, 2019 @ 4:33pm CDT

ZeroWolf wrote:
Skritz wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I'd be down for commander class thunderwing. And a commander class Star Saber, though only if it was confirmed we were getting Victory Leo as well.

I'd be okay with a Leaser Class Star Saber and a Voyager Weaponizer Victory Leo.

That would also work for me as it would open the door for a voyager Weaponizer overload

Transformers Armada Overload (Ultra Magnus) Gallery

Or...

Transformers G1 1989 Overload (Roadjet) Gallery

Re: New Figure King Scans Show New Images Of Siege Apeface, Crosshairs And The Battle Squad (2039809)
Posted by Skritz on September 28th, 2019 @ 4:35pm CDT

Armada Overload, of course.

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