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Comment by Sabrblade
Aug 11, 2020
Oh, look. Another TFTM quote. How droll.
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I almost called that out, but i didn't know if that was initially in the comic that that scene was in
Comment by D-Maximal_Primal
Aug 11, 2020
Sabrblade wrote:Oh, look. Another TFTM quote. How droll.
I almost called that out, but i didn't know if that was initially in the comic that that scene was in
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i guess we shouldnt expect anything different
Comment by Ultra Markus
Aug 11, 2020
Sabrblade wrote:Oh, look. Another TFTM quote. How droll.
i guess we shouldnt expect anything different
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Comment by Rodimus Prime
Aug 11, 2020
That art is so beautiful. 
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Comment by TheForgottenTaxi
Aug 12, 2020
I'm waiting for the trade on this series (and all comics these days), but preview art like this makes that wait really, really hard.
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Comment by Big Grim
Aug 12, 2020
The art is gorgeous!
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Comment by partholon
Aug 12, 2020
the bit with the dinos is VERY Andy Wildman.
whens this due out, this week or next?
whens this due out, this week or next?
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Comment by partholon
Aug 25, 2020
turns our it came in last wednesday but managed to nab a copy (the LAST one it turns out- casey coller cover) yesterday (mon)
its a good read.
the art still bugs me. i really wish they'd drop the faux dot matrix style and let guido go back to a more modern style. some of this is practically delbo-esque so if your gonna go like that just hire jose. when you look at the utter tumblr style trash getting better treatment on the main book its frustrating in the extreme to see a genuinely competant artists work suffer under this editorial direction.
but i gotta say storywise it covers an angle i didnt think of. IDW HAVE no savage land in their universe so the original G1 marvel version of events for the intro to the dinos CANT happen in an IDW book. it still sticks to the guts of it but theres enough different to make this worth a buy and effectively blend it with what came later in the reprints and regeneration 1 .
and theres lovely nods of the head to early lore building stuff like the mind bank which gave us tracks hoist and co.
i did smile at the sheer joy of straxus getting his smelting pool though. that was done with just the right level of wry humour.
this and the terminator crossover (for all its flaws) are the only thing worth getting IMO.
its a good read.
the art still bugs me. i really wish they'd drop the faux dot matrix style and let guido go back to a more modern style. some of this is practically delbo-esque so if your gonna go like that just hire jose. when you look at the utter tumblr style trash getting better treatment on the main book its frustrating in the extreme to see a genuinely competant artists work suffer under this editorial direction.
but i gotta say storywise it covers an angle i didnt think of. IDW HAVE no savage land in their universe so the original G1 marvel version of events for the intro to the dinos CANT happen in an IDW book. it still sticks to the guts of it but theres enough different to make this worth a buy and effectively blend it with what came later in the reprints and regeneration 1 .
and theres lovely nods of the head to early lore building stuff like the mind bank which gave us tracks hoist and co.
i did smile at the sheer joy of straxus getting his smelting pool though. that was done with just the right level of wry humour.
this and the terminator crossover (for all its flaws) are the only thing worth getting IMO.
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Comment by Rodimus Prime
Aug 29, 2020
If Secrets & Lies continues with the Shockwave/Dinobots story (while possibly revealing other behind-the-scenes shenanigans) I think the best place in the story for it to be inserted is between issues 4 and 5 of the Marvel comic, right after Shockwave returns and takes out everyone. (Throughout G1 and IDW, he seems to be good at that. But it's never permanent.)
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Comment by Sabrblade
Aug 29, 2020
Of course, he's a bad guy. Bad guys can't have permanent wins like that.Rodimus Prime wrote:(Throughout G1 and IDW, he seems to be good at that. But it's never permanent.)
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As for G1, I never understood why he acquiesced to both Ratbat and Scorponok after Megatron took his leap off a short bridge so to speak. He was more effective than both of them. It was a pure freak occurrence and a lucky shot that Maximus was able to damage him and knock him out of space. Had he been the actual leader, he would have remained on the island base and perhaps send Scorponok out to deal with Maximus.
Comment by Rodimus Prime
Aug 31, 2020
You have to admit, this whole Shockwave-runs-things-behind-the-scenes idea is compelling, because I think most fans would agree that he made a much better leader than Megatron. If he actually got to be in charge, the Decepticons might actually have won the war. Shockwave's intellect and planning would have made up for most if not all of the Decepticon troops' shortcomings. I mean, he actually did it in IDW, even if it took him literally the length of the Transformers' existence to do it.Sabrblade wrote:Of course, he's a bad guy. Bad guys can't have permanent wins like that.Rodimus Prime wrote:(Throughout G1 and IDW, he seems to be good at that. But it's never permanent.)
As for G1, I never understood why he acquiesced to both Ratbat and Scorponok after Megatron took his leap off a short bridge so to speak. He was more effective than both of them. It was a pure freak occurrence and a lucky shot that Maximus was able to damage him and knock him out of space. Had he been the actual leader, he would have remained on the island base and perhaps send Scorponok out to deal with Maximus.
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As for why Shockwave went out to face Fort Max himself, there are two reasons. First, in-story, for all of Shockwave's talk about pure cold logic, he really did have an ego that he tried very much to hide but didn't always keep in check. He would never admit it, but he wanted to take Fort Max out himself. He wanted to personally deal with that Autobot pest who was ruining everything in that moment. And the other reason is an out-of-story one, in that Shockwave had by then become "old product" who needed to be gotten rid of and replaced by "new product", so Budiansky wrote him out so that Ratbat could fully take over as the new Decepticon leader. Basically, TFTM syndrome.
However, that didn't stop the UK comics from continuing to use him. The panels of his burning up in Earth's atmosphere and those right after were rewritten in the UK version to make his "death" more ambiguous and instead merely have him "fall to Earth" so that he could survive and keep working his own machinations on Earth, operating out of the Decepticon's original Earth base from the early issues that they abandoned to relocate to their new base in Wyoming.
Comment by Sabrblade
Aug 31, 2020
Scorponok wasn't there. He was the leader of his own separate crew unaffiliated with Shockwave and Ratbat at the time. The two teams of Decepticons wouldn't join together until much later during The Underbase Saga.Rodimus Prime wrote:As for G1, I never understood why he acquiesced to both Ratbat and Scorponok after Megatron took his leap off a short bridge so to speak. He was more effective than both of them. It was a pure freak occurrence and a lucky shot that Maximus was able to damage him and knock him out of space. Had he been the actual leader, he would have remained on the island base and perhaps send Scorponok out to deal with Maximus.
As for why Shockwave went out to face Fort Max himself, there are two reasons. First, in-story, for all of Shockwave's talk about pure cold logic, he really did have an ego that he tried very much to hide but didn't always keep in check. He would never admit it, but he wanted to take Fort Max out himself. He wanted to personally deal with that Autobot pest who was ruining everything in that moment. And the other reason is an out-of-story one, in that Shockwave had by then become "old product" who needed to be gotten rid of and replaced by "new product", so Budiansky wrote him out so that Ratbat could fully take over as the new Decepticon leader. Basically, TFTM syndrome.
However, that didn't stop the UK comics from continuing to use him. The panels of his burning up in Earth's atmosphere and those right after were rewritten in the UK version to make his "death" more ambiguous and instead merely have him "fall to Earth" so that he could survive and keep working his own machinations on Earth, operating out of the Decepticon's original Earth base from the early issues that they abandoned to relocate to their new base in Wyoming.
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more useless human characters.
And since you mentioned TFTM, I just realized after 34 years that Prime was killed off both on screen and on page roughly at the same time. Until, of course, the magic of floppy disk.
Comment by Rodimus Prime
Sep 1, 2020
That's right. It's been a while since I read the G1 comics, those events all run together in my memories. Shockwave and Scorponok didn't get together until their fight in New York/New Jersey, where Shockwave would have handed Scorponok his skidplate if it wasn't for the Neo-Knights.Sabrblade wrote:Scorponok wasn't there. He was the leader of his own separate crew unaffiliated with Shockwave and Ratbat at the time. The two teams of Decepticons wouldn't join together until much later during The Underbase Saga.Rodimus Prime wrote:As for G1, I never understood why he acquiesced to both Ratbat and Scorponok after Megatron took his leap off a short bridge so to speak. He was more effective than both of them. It was a pure freak occurrence and a lucky shot that Maximus was able to damage him and knock him out of space. Had he been the actual leader, he would have remained on the island base and perhaps send Scorponok out to deal with Maximus.
more useless human characters.Makes sense, I hadn't thought about it. This was issue 39, which would put it in summer of '87, and Shockwave didn't appear past TFTM in the cartoon. He was too good a character to discard, but like you said, newer toys had to be shilled.As for why Shockwave went out to face Fort Max himself, there are two reasons. First, in-story, for all of Shockwave's talk about pure cold logic, he really did have an ego that he tried very much to hide but didn't always keep in check. He would never admit it, but he wanted to take Fort Max out himself. He wanted to personally deal with that Autobot pest who was ruining everything in that moment. And the other reason is an out-of-story one, in that Shockwave had by then become "old product" who needed to be gotten rid of and replaced by "new product", so Budiansky wrote him out so that Ratbat could fully take over as the new Decepticon leader. Basically, TFTM syndrome.
And since you mentioned TFTM, I just realized after 34 years that Prime was killed off both on screen and on page roughly at the same time. Until, of course, the magic of floppy disk.
I never read the UK comics. I need to track down a set of collections like Titan did with the US version. Unless I can find them all online. I'd like to read the actual comics instead of just going through all the wiki entries.However, that didn't stop the UK comics from continuing to use him. The panels of his burning up in Earth's atmosphere and those right after were rewritten in the UK version to make his "death" more ambiguous and instead merely have him "fall to Earth" so that he could survive and keep working his own machinations on Earth, operating out of the Decepticon's original Earth base from the early issues that they abandoned to relocate to their new base in Wyoming.
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Comment by Sabrblade
Sep 1, 2020
Yep. That was on purpose too. Hasbro wanted Prime killed off so the order came from on high for not just TFTM but for the comics to kill him off as well. Of course, Prime's first death in the Marvel comics was his worst death ever, IMHO, but that would later be redeemed in his second death, the one where he died fighting Unicron, being his best death ever, IMHO.Rodimus Prime wrote:And since you mentioned TFTM, I just realized after 34 years that Prime was killed off both on screen and on page roughly at the same time. Until, of course, the magic of floppy disk.
PM me. I can help you out.Rodimus Prime wrote:I never read the UK comics. I need to track down a set of collections like Titan did with the US version. Unless I can find them all online. I'd like to read the actual comics instead of just going through all the wiki entries.
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Comment by ScottyP
Sep 1, 2020
Continuing with our three previews for Transformers comic books being released tomorrow, enjoy a look at the first five pages of Transformers '84: Secrets and Lies #3. Check out the synopsis, main cover and preview pages below for a taste of the next chapter of Counterpunch's wild ride, with some familiar faces from the classic Marvel G1 stories "The Smelting Pool!" and "The Bridge to Nowhere" making an appearance.
Look for this issue tomorrow at your local comic shop, on the Seibertron.com eBay store, or via digital release on Comixology, Apple Books and other authorized digital retailers. Speaking of the Seibertron.com eBay store, you can visit now to experience the aforementioned The Transformers #17 and The Transformers #18 for yourself, or possibly just to upgrade your current beaten up vintage copy.
Look for this issue tomorrow at your local comic shop, on the Seibertron.com eBay store, or via digital release on Comixology, Apple Books and other authorized digital retailers. Speaking of the Seibertron.com eBay store, you can visit now to experience the aforementioned The Transformers #17 and The Transformers #18 for yourself, or possibly just to upgrade your current beaten up vintage copy.
(W) Simon Furman (A/CA) Guido Guidi
With Megatron, Shockwave, and the Decepticon brass gone, the power vacuum on Cybertron leads many Decepticon commanders to stake their claims on the world. And with the Decepticons divided, which Autobots will step up to take command? Meanwhile, on Earth, Grimlock wanders into the strangest battle yet!
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Comment by Sabrblade
Sep 1, 2020
Welp, there goes "Cybertron: The Middle Years!" down the drain.
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Comment by Rodimus Prime
Sep 1, 2020
So if Magnus apparently knows where the Ark crashed, why not make an effort to recover them? Or does he know Prime wouldn't want that? Is he privy to the actual secret plan?
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Comment by Sabrblade
Sep 1, 2020
It's like Magnus says, they're stretched to the breaking point. They don't have the resources to do much of anything, let alone embark on another space voyage.Rodimus Prime wrote:So if Magnus apparently knows where the Ark crashed, why not make an effort to recover them? Or does he know Prime wouldn't want that? Is he privy to the actual secret plan?
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Comment by Optimutt
Sep 1, 2020
This 5 page preview has mastered the tease.
"Go ahead, Fortress Maximus..." but no picture. Guess I'll have to get the book!
"Go ahead, Fortress Maximus..." but no picture. Guess I'll have to get the book!
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Comment by TulioDude
Sep 1, 2020
Star Saber looks so cool,I hope they give him something awesome to do.
