Transformers 3: Paramount cleared of liability!
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Oct 13, 2010 at 10:10am CDT
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TMZ has posted an exclusive article explaining that Paramount was cleared and not liable for what happened to the extra.
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Comment by First-Aid
Oct 13, 2010
Call me sentimental, but I really think that if she ends up needing help with medical bills and other things down the road (which Paramount should cover but I've dealt with workers' comp and they are a--holes and stall as much as possible) that we as a collector's community should put something together involving all of the fansites to help out. She's really kind of a part of Transformers lore now (for all the wrong reasons) and I think we should support her.
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Comment by Liftgate
Oct 13, 2010
Some of you on here are just pieces of crap, and you know who you are.
The studio is responsible for accidents related to the filming of their movie, period. Unless extras were required to sign a waver which totally gave up all rights (which would be very lengthy, convoluted, not to mention outright shady), then the studio will have to compensate her for medical cost and physical disabilities she may be left with.
I certainly hope this girl never reads what some of you here and other pieces of garbage have wrote on other sites.
The studio is responsible for accidents related to the filming of their movie, period. Unless extras were required to sign a waver which totally gave up all rights (which would be very lengthy, convoluted, not to mention outright shady), then the studio will have to compensate her for medical cost and physical disabilities she may be left with.
I certainly hope this girl never reads what some of you here and other pieces of garbage have wrote on other sites.
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Comment by Liftgate
Oct 13, 2010
First-Aid to the rescue! 
Sorry, that's good though. Your noble intentions wouldn't have anything to do with the fact she's cute, would it? No, just kidding, that's a really nice idea you have. The studio should handle things, but you never know, maybe if they don't step up.

Sorry, that's good though. Your noble intentions wouldn't have anything to do with the fact she's cute, would it? No, just kidding, that's a really nice idea you have. The studio should handle things, but you never know, maybe if they don't step up.
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Comment by Blackstreak
Oct 13, 2010
It's unfortunate she was paralyzed, unfortunate the accident happened at all. I would think at minimum her hospitalization and medical bills were already covered, if not by Paramount then by Workman's Comp.
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That's actually a good idea, wouldn't be the first time we rooted together do do something similar.
Comment by Dead Metal
Oct 13, 2010
First-Aid wrote:Call me sentimental, but I really think that if she ends up needing help with medical bills and other things down the road (which Paramount should cover but I've dealt with workers' comp and they are a--holes and stall as much as possible) that we as a collector's community should put something together involving all of the fansites to help out. She's really kind of a part of Transformers lore now (for all the wrong reasons) and I think we should support her.
That's actually a good idea, wouldn't be the first time we rooted together do do something similar.
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You could be right there, I dunno how workers comp works in a situation like this. I'll echo what First-Aid said about workers comp though, in that it's almost a joke and frustrating to no end. I got hurt at work once and the workers comp rep I spoke to on the phone twisted every word I said and hit me with so many "Do You Still Beat Your Wife" questions that I wanted to reach through the phone and strangle him. It's really a horrible process, completely Catch 22.
Comment by Liftgate
Oct 13, 2010
Blackstreak wrote:It's unfortunate she was paralyzed, unfortunate the accident happened at all. I would think at minimum her hospitalization and medical bills were already covered, if not by Paramount then by Workman's Comp.
You could be right there, I dunno how workers comp works in a situation like this. I'll echo what First-Aid said about workers comp though, in that it's almost a joke and frustrating to no end. I got hurt at work once and the workers comp rep I spoke to on the phone twisted every word I said and hit me with so many "Do You Still Beat Your Wife" questions that I wanted to reach through the phone and strangle him. It's really a horrible process, completely Catch 22.
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Comment by RK_Striker_JK_5
Oct 13, 2010
Well, some of my faith in humanity just fucking died after reading some of the posts here. Have you no shame? Have you no empathy? Apparently not. 

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The lawyers may have ruled that Transformers 3 isn't Paramount's fault, but I still hold them responsible!
Comment by Redimus
Oct 13, 2010
The News Post wrote:Transformers 3: Paramount cleared of liability!
The lawyers may have ruled that Transformers 3 isn't Paramount's fault, but I still hold them responsible!
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Comment by Megatronsdemise666
Oct 13, 2010
wowers
uhm
where do i starty marty
uhm i would feel bad if i were the producers
if i were bay i would give her a extra when the DVD/ Blu-ray comes out
or at least suck her in as sams sick aunt and the go visit her?
idk but i would feel bad and do that
even if im a decepticon lover >.<
BUNNIES RULE
uhm
where do i starty marty
uhm i would feel bad if i were the producers
if i were bay i would give her a extra when the DVD/ Blu-ray comes out
or at least suck her in as sams sick aunt and the go visit her?
idk but i would feel bad and do that
even if im a decepticon lover >.<



BUNNIES RULE
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Comment by BATTLEMASTER IIC
Oct 13, 2010
I feel bad for the welder though.
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Comment by Covenant
Oct 13, 2010
Cleared!?
It's things like this that make me think the word 'justice' was invented solely to have a reference for what there seems to be a severe lack of in situations like this.
It's things like this that make me think the word 'justice' was invented solely to have a reference for what there seems to be a severe lack of in situations like this.
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Comment by Vicalliose
Oct 14, 2010
From what I read, it was decided for her to be in the scene at the last minute, and I don't think she signed a waver.
Doesn't that still count as negligence?
Either way, this sounds like bulls**t to me.
Doesn't that still count as negligence?
Either way, this sounds like bulls**t to me.
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Poor girl.
Some of you though...are just...HORRID! But to those who aren't...well...good. ^^;
I hope she can make a full recovery.
Comment by Rogue Bot
Oct 14, 2010

Some of you though...are just...HORRID! But to those who aren't...well...good. ^^;
I hope she can make a full recovery.

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She's cute? Seriously? I've never seen a pic of her...that would just be a plus.
Actually my intentions are more related to my careers in health care and caring for other human beings more than anything. it just sounded like a good idea to me.
Look folks...if you want to play the blame game, fine. Accidents really do happen...believe me, running ambulances for 5 years and 15 years overall in health care have proven that. Blame really doesn't matter at this point...all that does matter is that she gets better. It would be HORRIBLE PR for Paramount to not take care of her...they'll do something, for sure. But I think it would help to keep an eye on things regarding her, and maybe jump in when we can to help out.
Comment by First-Aid
Oct 14, 2010
Liftgate wrote:First-Aid to the rescue!
Sorry, that's good though. Your noble intentions wouldn't have anything to do with the fact she's cute, would it?
She's cute? Seriously? I've never seen a pic of her...that would just be a plus.
Actually my intentions are more related to my careers in health care and caring for other human beings more than anything. it just sounded like a good idea to me.
Look folks...if you want to play the blame game, fine. Accidents really do happen...believe me, running ambulances for 5 years and 15 years overall in health care have proven that. Blame really doesn't matter at this point...all that does matter is that she gets better. It would be HORRIBLE PR for Paramount to not take care of her...they'll do something, for sure. But I think it would help to keep an eye on things regarding her, and maybe jump in when we can to help out.
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Good post. It is always good for the public to stay attentive to the situation and then come in to help steer corporations back to where things need to be when they stray off course.
Comment by Prime Riblet
Oct 16, 2010
First-Aid wrote:Liftgate wrote:First-Aid to the rescue!
Sorry, that's good though. Your noble intentions wouldn't have anything to do with the fact she's cute, would it?
She's cute? Seriously? I've never seen a pic of her...that would just be a plus.
Actually my intentions are more related to my careers in health care and caring for other human beings more than anything. it just sounded like a good idea to me.
Look folks...if you want to play the blame game, fine. Accidents really do happen...believe me, running ambulances for 5 years and 15 years overall in health care have proven that. Blame really doesn't matter at this point...all that does matter is that she gets better. It would be HORRIBLE PR for Paramount to not take care of her...they'll do something, for sure. But I think it would help to keep an eye on things regarding her, and maybe jump in when we can to help out.
Good post. It is always good for the public to stay attentive to the situation and then come in to help steer corporations back to where things need to be when they stray off course.
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My sincerest thanks to all who have responded positively. Does anyone know how to get ahold of the family? If we could get other fansites in on something like this I would be willing to act as a health care liaison or something of the like. I also think it would be very beneficial to her and her family to know that we as Transformers fans (movie or not...you know EVERYONE should be in on this) support her. I certainly know it would make me feel good...
Comment by First-Aid
Oct 16, 2010
Prime Riblet wrote:First-Aid wrote:Liftgate wrote:First-Aid to the rescue!
Sorry, that's good though. Your noble intentions wouldn't have anything to do with the fact she's cute, would it?
She's cute? Seriously? I've never seen a pic of her...that would just be a plus.
Actually my intentions are more related to my careers in health care and caring for other human beings more than anything. it just sounded like a good idea to me.
Look folks...if you want to play the blame game, fine. Accidents really do happen...believe me, running ambulances for 5 years and 15 years overall in health care have proven that. Blame really doesn't matter at this point...all that does matter is that she gets better. It would be HORRIBLE PR for Paramount to not take care of her...they'll do something, for sure. But I think it would help to keep an eye on things regarding her, and maybe jump in when we can to help out.
Good post. It is always good for the public to stay attentive to the situation and then come in to help steer corporations back to where things need to be when they stray off course.
My sincerest thanks to all who have responded positively. Does anyone know how to get ahold of the family? If we could get other fansites in on something like this I would be willing to act as a health care liaison or something of the like. I also think it would be very beneficial to her and her family to know that we as Transformers fans (movie or not...you know EVERYONE should be in on this) support her. I certainly know it would make me feel good...
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Comment by Autobot032
Oct 16, 2010
Something's bugging me here. (I apologize for changing the course of the topic, but I need to get this out.)
The state cleared them, said the welds, plates, bolts, whatever were fine and up to standards, etc.
Basically, a freak accident.
I don't buy that. I just don't. The rig failed the night before her accident, why shouldn't they have assumed it could do so again? Obviously, something wasn't right with it to begin with.
Something in the setup was flawed.
A bolt would break under extreme pressure.
A weld would snap under extreme pressure.
On their own, they do not just blow up in your face.
A bolt, sitting on a shelf does not just instantly explode. It's impossible, it just doesn't happen.
A weld, holding two things together, sitting idle and not in use, doesn't just break apart for the hell of it.
Somewhere, there was either an operator mistake or the stuff used was flawed from the getgo, which would be the manufacturer's fault, either way, none of these items just fail by being in existence.
They failed during use, in the function they were meant to be used for. Human interaction caused these things to go from harmless inanimate objects to death traps.
It absolutely defies logic when they say it's a freak accident and no one's to blame.
I will say it again. Inanimate objects do not just fail for the sake of doing so. It is impossible.
Humans are clearly at fault here.
The state cleared them, said the welds, plates, bolts, whatever were fine and up to standards, etc.
Basically, a freak accident.
I don't buy that. I just don't. The rig failed the night before her accident, why shouldn't they have assumed it could do so again? Obviously, something wasn't right with it to begin with.
Something in the setup was flawed.
A bolt would break under extreme pressure.
A weld would snap under extreme pressure.
On their own, they do not just blow up in your face.
A bolt, sitting on a shelf does not just instantly explode. It's impossible, it just doesn't happen.
A weld, holding two things together, sitting idle and not in use, doesn't just break apart for the hell of it.
Somewhere, there was either an operator mistake or the stuff used was flawed from the getgo, which would be the manufacturer's fault, either way, none of these items just fail by being in existence.
They failed during use, in the function they were meant to be used for. Human interaction caused these things to go from harmless inanimate objects to death traps.
It absolutely defies logic when they say it's a freak accident and no one's to blame.
I will say it again. Inanimate objects do not just fail for the sake of doing so. It is impossible.
Humans are clearly at fault here.
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Comment by Prime Riblet
Oct 17, 2010
I am not seeing where the article states that the equipment failed, only that the "stunt" failed. It is not stated that the rigging was what was at fault. That being said, I do believe that it was human involvement that caused this mishap (as it usually is), but it is possible that tolerances of the rigging used was not taken into account by the person/people in charge of the stunt. And this could be said about two completely different types of rigging rated for whatever uses which happened to both be used for something they can't handle.
Kind of like a 300 lb man stepping on a ladder rated at a max capacity of 50 lbs. It breaks. He then tries to step on a ladder rated to hold a maximum of 250 lbs. The second ladder breaks as well. The man clearly is not using the proper tool for the job.
Kind of like a 300 lb man stepping on a ladder rated at a max capacity of 50 lbs. It breaks. He then tries to step on a ladder rated to hold a maximum of 250 lbs. The second ladder breaks as well. The man clearly is not using the proper tool for the job.
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Good point. One must remember this was a stunt. That being said, one can't always take into acount every tolerance that comes about.
Now, i think we need to step back and really take a look at what this judement really means. now while they were cleared off all charges and fault, that doesn't mean that the producers still aren't going to help her out. it just means that they weren't found neglagent and at this point, no additional law suits can be filed for this accident. And i still believe this was an accident. Nothing more. I remember reading somewhere that the movie was going to assist her in paying for her medical bills. Granted this was before the ruling, but i haven't read anywhere that they were going to back out helping now that they were found clear of any neglagence. If they did in fact say they would help her, i hope they keep their word.
Comment by 5150 Cruiser
Oct 18, 2010
Prime Riblet wrote:I am not seeing where the article states that the equipment failed, only that the "stunt" failed. It is not stated that the rigging was what was at fault. That being said, I do believe that it was human involvement that caused this mishap (as it usually is), but it is possible that tolerances of the rigging used was not taken into account by the person/people in charge of the stunt. And this could be said about two completely different types of rigging rated for whatever uses which happened to both be used for something they can't handle.
Kind of like a 300 lb man stepping on a ladder rated at a max capacity of 50 lbs. It breaks. He then tries to step on a ladder rated to hold a maximum of 250 lbs. The second ladder breaks as well. The man clearly is not using the proper tool for the job.
Good point. One must remember this was a stunt. That being said, one can't always take into acount every tolerance that comes about.
Now, i think we need to step back and really take a look at what this judement really means. now while they were cleared off all charges and fault, that doesn't mean that the producers still aren't going to help her out. it just means that they weren't found neglagent and at this point, no additional law suits can be filed for this accident. And i still believe this was an accident. Nothing more. I remember reading somewhere that the movie was going to assist her in paying for her medical bills. Granted this was before the ruling, but i haven't read anywhere that they were going to back out helping now that they were found clear of any neglagence. If they did in fact say they would help her, i hope they keep their word.
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Comment by First-Aid
Oct 18, 2010
I said it earlier...bad PR does nasty things to your bottom line, especially once the knowledge gets out. Paramount isn't about to risk its bottom line. They will help out, probably more than normally. Like I said earlier, I believe we as fans should be ready to help out in any way we can if needed. i'll be happy to take point on that should it come to it...i think my medical background qualifies me in a unique way.