Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review
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While the issue came out last week, we were only able to review it now. Only Spoilers ahead.
I will start by saying that as with the previous issues, I did not find this to be all that good. It was not terrible, but there was very little in it that I found worthwhile to recommend to any Beast Wars or Transformers fan.
I had found this comic series' version of Dinobot's rebellion against the Predacons to be an unwelcome change from the original idea that he is a Predacon that chooses to team with the Maxmimals more out of hatred/rivalry against Megatron and slowly leans into their ideals. Instead, here, he really is just one note. Like to a T, as you can read in the panel below. If you are wondering if there is a lead up to that panel in this comic, not really. It's like it was written by a kid. "I like honour, but my colleagues who are known to be murderous phychos don't seem to have any, maybe you do. So can I join?". This is beyond amateurish. And a formal request no less, my good sir. Is Dinobot a warrior or a senior asking a father if he can take his daughter to prom?
I did like some of the writing. Optimus has a nice moment of characterization here. As I had previously said, I don't mind changes if they make it worth my time. This version of Optimus is different and they have fun with it. I'm here for that. I would of course prefer that he only use his pop up forearm weapons in robot mode since him doing it in beast mode makes my eyes twitch, but that's just me.
After 4 issues, you'd think it would be best to just accept the art, but it is damn hard. There are shots that just highlight how odd the style is. Like this Megatron shot were his legs just go for miles. Plus I really could do without that underbite in the T-Rex head. These stylistic elements just undo any threat or presence he may have. And Nyx's Bat face is just really ugly and jarring as you can see from the picture I posted at the top.
That isn't my biggest problem with the art in this issue though, we get some really messed up scale. A big chunk of the issue is dedicated to a confrontation with a seemingly alien beast (so, are we not on Earth? We'll see) and it's size compared to the bots changes from panel to panel. It seems colossal when fighting Nyx but Dinobot looks even bigger than it in another panel. Yet, while Nyx is small, Dinobot doesn't tower over her like the beast did.
Look, if anyone out there likes this book then I am glad. It means this book found an audience. It just didn't find it with me so far. In the end, it's just average with very little to offer me.
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Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106451)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 3rd, 2021 @ 10:07pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 3rd, 2021 @ 10:07pm CDT
Thank you for pointing out the alien creature. Somehow, I feel it's presence is going to be of pertinence to later developments.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106453)
Posted by ScottyP on June 3rd, 2021 @ 10:21pm CDT
Posted by ScottyP on June 3rd, 2021 @ 10:21pm CDT
^ Yeah, it was a weird sequence. Felt purposefully downplayed 
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106456)
Posted by william-james88 on June 3rd, 2021 @ 10:55pm CDT
How did you find this issue in comparison to the previous ones?
EDIT: Just want to add this quote from Josh himself
I know it seems like there's a lot of plodding around but, even Erik's eluded to this/said as much in interviews; its been more Hasbro's decision, i think, to start off like this ie 'familiar territory/broadstrokes the first few episodes of the show' but stuff starts to ramp up in these next couple issues. 5 has some great conversations between Dinobot/Nyx/Optimus about everything, that I think will speak to some "why's" i've seen asked, and 6 goes off in an interesting way that I think will intrigue people about the future. And future issues stray even further into our own territory that i'm really excited to explore; Skold gets some spotlight, maybe some new characters showing up??
Hopefully you'll feel encouraged to stick it out a little more. It is a little bit of a slow burn here, i'll admit, but the path ahead gets pretty interesting, I think, once we get passed this first arc "threshold," as it were.
Honestly, it's kind of depressing when even the comic's creators don't think their output is great and hope we stay around waiting for better things to come later.
Posted by william-james88 on June 3rd, 2021 @ 10:55pm CDT
ScottyP wrote:^ Yeah, it was a weird sequence. Felt purposefully downplayed
How did you find this issue in comparison to the previous ones?
EDIT: Just want to add this quote from Josh himself
I know it seems like there's a lot of plodding around but, even Erik's eluded to this/said as much in interviews; its been more Hasbro's decision, i think, to start off like this ie 'familiar territory/broadstrokes the first few episodes of the show' but stuff starts to ramp up in these next couple issues. 5 has some great conversations between Dinobot/Nyx/Optimus about everything, that I think will speak to some "why's" i've seen asked, and 6 goes off in an interesting way that I think will intrigue people about the future. And future issues stray even further into our own territory that i'm really excited to explore; Skold gets some spotlight, maybe some new characters showing up??
Hopefully you'll feel encouraged to stick it out a little more. It is a little bit of a slow burn here, i'll admit, but the path ahead gets pretty interesting, I think, once we get passed this first arc "threshold," as it were.
Honestly, it's kind of depressing when even the comic's creators don't think their output is great and hope we stay around waiting for better things to come later.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106458)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 3rd, 2021 @ 11:18pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 3rd, 2021 @ 11:18pm CDT
Was it Hasbro's call to make Dinobot such a goodie-two-shoes?
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106460)
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 3rd, 2021 @ 11:28pm CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 3rd, 2021 @ 11:28pm CDT
I agree with all of the points in this review. The art style, in particular, has been a huge turnoff for me.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106461)
Posted by william-james88 on June 3rd, 2021 @ 11:31pm CDT
I don't think so. People asked Josh what Hasbro's involvement was and his response seems to show that Hasbro is more involved with who they want in the comic and the the kind of general story arc (so repeating the initial show premise, for instance).
"When a series is pitched theyre usually brought a small handful of different approaches (basic premise/ rough outlines of story arcs/cast etc). They greenlight one, maybe have some notes on things they'd like to see or things in the pitch that they'd like adjusted/characters to use or not use. That type of thing. It's a collaborative deal/general approach kinda thing."
I would say Dinobot's one note personality is just a short hand the writer used to get Dinobot where Hasbro wanted him to end up asap. And I think the book, and more importantly this character, suffers for that.
Posted by william-james88 on June 3rd, 2021 @ 11:31pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Was it Hasbro's call to make Dinobot such a goodie-two-shoes?
I don't think so. People asked Josh what Hasbro's involvement was and his response seems to show that Hasbro is more involved with who they want in the comic and the the kind of general story arc (so repeating the initial show premise, for instance).
"When a series is pitched theyre usually brought a small handful of different approaches (basic premise/ rough outlines of story arcs/cast etc). They greenlight one, maybe have some notes on things they'd like to see or things in the pitch that they'd like adjusted/characters to use or not use. That type of thing. It's a collaborative deal/general approach kinda thing."
I would say Dinobot's one note personality is just a short hand the writer used to get Dinobot where Hasbro wanted him to end up asap. And I think the book, and more importantly this character, suffers for that.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106463)
Posted by JazZeke on June 3rd, 2021 @ 11:42pm CDT
I still hold out optimism for this series, I want to love it, but I agree, this take on Dinobot has been pretty lame so far.
Posted by JazZeke on June 3rd, 2021 @ 11:42pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Was it Hasbro's call to make Dinobot such a goodie-two-shoes?
I don't think so. People asked Josh what Hasbro's involvement was and his response seems to show that Hasbro is more involved with who they want in the comic and the the kind of general story arc (so repeating the initial show premise, for instance).
"When a series is pitched theyre usually brought a small handful of different approaches (basic premise/ rough outlines of story arcs/cast etc). They greenlight one, maybe have some notes on things they'd like to see or things in the pitch that they'd like adjusted/characters to use or not use. That type of thing. It's a collaborative deal/general approach kinda thing."
I would say Dinobot's one note personality is just a short hand the writer used to get Dinobot where Hasbro wanted him to end up asap. And I think the book, and more importantly this character, suffers for that.
I still hold out optimism for this series, I want to love it, but I agree, this take on Dinobot has been pretty lame so far.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106471)
Posted by Verno on June 4th, 2021 @ 5:44am CDT
Perhaps DEICIDE may appeal to you.
Posted by Verno on June 4th, 2021 @ 5:44am CDT
JazZeke wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I would have loved for them to go beyond Beast Machines. To progress that narrative. Not rehash Season one with superfluous kitbashed characters.
Personally, I have always wanted a sequel to Beast Wars that ignored Beast Machines completely. Something like the Maximals coming home, getting hailed as heroes but at the same time grappling with secrecy as the shady Maximal Elders have classified the events of Beast Wars, and our war-weary heroes trying to fit back in with society and also expose the Tripredacus Council's planned uprising. Less war and more political intrigue.
Perhaps DEICIDE may appeal to you.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106473)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 4th, 2021 @ 7:48am CDT
Agreed. If that quote had been out before this started, I wouldn't have bought an issue. "It gets better, honest" isn't a reassuring pitch, from what is already a far from inspiring book.
To reiterate my earlier point and why this characterisation of Dinobot fails so hard:
1)Dinobot didn't just join a Predacon gang, he is a Predacon.
2)He didn't become a Maximal, he allied himself with them.
Literally every word spoken by him in this issue I could read with McNeil's Silverbolt voice. That's the wrong McNeil voice I should be hearing in my head.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 4th, 2021 @ 7:48am CDT
william-james88 wrote:Honestly, it's kind of depressing when even the comic's creators don't think their output is great and hope we stay around waiting for better things to come later.
Agreed. If that quote had been out before this started, I wouldn't have bought an issue. "It gets better, honest" isn't a reassuring pitch, from what is already a far from inspiring book.
To reiterate my earlier point and why this characterisation of Dinobot fails so hard:
1)Dinobot didn't just join a Predacon gang, he is a Predacon.
2)He didn't become a Maximal, he allied himself with them.
Literally every word spoken by him in this issue I could read with McNeil's Silverbolt voice. That's the wrong McNeil voice I should be hearing in my head.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106475)
Posted by william-james88 on June 4th, 2021 @ 8:17am CDT
At least it's better than the voice I heard in my head at the end, which was in AOE's Drift's voice. Not that they are similar characters, but these one note samurai-like lines of honour felt like what a hollywood producer would want Ken Watanabe to say.
Posted by william-james88 on June 4th, 2021 @ 8:17am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:william-james88 wrote:Honestly, it's kind of depressing when even the comic's creators don't think their output is great and hope we stay around waiting for better things to come later.
Agreed. If that quote had been out before this started, I wouldn't have bought an issue. "It gets better, honest" isn't a reassuring pitch, from what is already a far from inspiring book.
To reiterate my earlier point and why this characterisation of Dinobot fails so hard:
1)Dinobot didn't just join a Predacon gang, he is a Predacon.
2)He didn't become a Maximal, he allied himself with them.
Literally every word spoken by him in this issue I could read with McNeil's Silverbolt voice. That's the wrong McNeil voice I should be hearing in my head.
At least it's better than the voice I heard in my head at the end, which was in AOE's Drift's voice. Not that they are similar characters, but these one note samurai-like lines of honour felt like what a hollywood producer would want Ken Watanabe to say.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106476)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 4th, 2021 @ 8:22am CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 4th, 2021 @ 8:22am CDT
Sounds like another reason I was better off tapping out of Bayformers with Dark of the Moon...
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106477)
Posted by ScottyP on June 4th, 2021 @ 8:30am CDT
I think what this first arc trade paperback is showing is a lack of confidence that the general audience has familiarity with the basic setup for Beast Wars. What that leads to is this decompressed five issue run that's retreading a story that doesn't take five issues to tell if you're familiar with Beast Wars, and I'd bet 99% of us talking about it here are. I'd be extremely curious to hear an opinion about it from a reader that had never watched the Beast Wars show because I feel like that's a big chunk of the intended audience for this first bit.
Posted by ScottyP on June 4th, 2021 @ 8:30am CDT
Not as strong. I liked it, but objectively, "average" is an appropriate assessment. It did a lot for Nyx, the parts with her lost in the wilderness did more for her character than the earlier parts with her captured by the Predacons.william-james88 wrote:ScottyP wrote:^ Yeah, it was a weird sequence. Felt purposefully downplayed
How did you find this issue in comparison to the previous ones?
I think what this first arc trade paperback is showing is a lack of confidence that the general audience has familiarity with the basic setup for Beast Wars. What that leads to is this decompressed five issue run that's retreading a story that doesn't take five issues to tell if you're familiar with Beast Wars, and I'd bet 99% of us talking about it here are. I'd be extremely curious to hear an opinion about it from a reader that had never watched the Beast Wars show because I feel like that's a big chunk of the intended audience for this first bit.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106479)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 4th, 2021 @ 8:50am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 4th, 2021 @ 8:50am CDT
And yet, there's those fan letters at the end of issues 2-4 that have, so far, done nothing but sing praises to this series as if it were the best thing since sliced bread, most of which always begin with "OMG, I adored watching Beast Wars as a kid and now it's back in this amazing comic series!" or some such.
I almost have to wonder if these published fan responses are even real. But then again, the Facebook crowd did eat up Machinima's rubbish Prime Wars Trilogy like it was the best modern TF cartoon EVAR!!, so there might very well be a similar audience of yes-men for Beast Wars out there.
I almost have to wonder if these published fan responses are even real. But then again, the Facebook crowd did eat up Machinima's rubbish Prime Wars Trilogy like it was the best modern TF cartoon EVAR!!, so there might very well be a similar audience of yes-men for Beast Wars out there.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106481)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 4th, 2021 @ 8:58am CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 4th, 2021 @ 8:58am CDT
Honestly, I didn't get the slightest hint of sincerity from those letters. Having seen years of letters pages in DC and Marvel books, it doesn't have that kind of honesty to it. Possibly an extreme level of cherry picking?
There may be some people seeing something positive from this book but, to that extent, the expression 'laying it on a bit thick' comes to mind.
There may be some people seeing something positive from this book but, to that extent, the expression 'laying it on a bit thick' comes to mind.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106495)
Posted by JazZeke on June 4th, 2021 @ 11:17am CDT
Posted by JazZeke on June 4th, 2021 @ 11:17am CDT
My letter got published in this issue. So I can confirm mine is legit. But I did write it after the first issue, which I still think was pretty good. And I still have hope for this series because I want good Beast Wars content again.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106510)
Posted by william-james88 on June 4th, 2021 @ 1:09pm CDT
Well we now know that those letters are based on their response to the first issue which was better than the latest one. If they are now at issue 4 and still choose to show letters from the response to issue 1 then yeah, cherry picking. But still legit responses.
Posted by william-james88 on June 4th, 2021 @ 1:09pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Honestly, I didn't get the slightest hint of sincerity from those letters. Having seen years of letters pages in DC and Marvel books, it doesn't have that kind of honesty to it. Possibly an extreme level of cherry picking?
Well we now know that those letters are based on their response to the first issue which was better than the latest one. If they are now at issue 4 and still choose to show letters from the response to issue 1 then yeah, cherry picking. But still legit responses.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106553)
Posted by Verno on June 4th, 2021 @ 8:18pm CDT
The writer only watched Beast Wars for the first time last year. Perhaps he's getting the characters mixed up.
Posted by Verno on June 4th, 2021 @ 8:18pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:To reiterate my earlier point and why this characterisation of Dinobot fails so hard:
1)Dinobot didn't just join a Predacon gang, he is a Predacon.
2)He didn't become a Maximal, he allied himself with them.
Literally every word spoken by him in this issue I could read with McNeil's Silverbolt voice. That's the wrong McNeil voice I should be hearing in my head.
The writer only watched Beast Wars for the first time last year. Perhaps he's getting the characters mixed up.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106559)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 4th, 2021 @ 11:16pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 4th, 2021 @ 11:16pm CDT
Source?Verno wrote:The writer only watched Beast Wars for the first time last year.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106560)
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 4th, 2021 @ 11:19pm CDT
https://tfsource.com/
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 4th, 2021 @ 11:19pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Source?Verno wrote:The writer only watched Beast Wars for the first time last year.
https://tfsource.com/
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106564)
Posted by Verno on June 5th, 2021 @ 12:18am CDT
Erik Burnham stops by and talks Transformers Beast Wars form IDW!
"I was, a year ago, just before my birthday last year, in February, I was bored and flipping through to find something to watch on all the streaming channels. I flipped over to one of the free ones, Tubi, and I saw Beast Wars on there. And I said, I've never seen this, I think I'll check it out."
Posted by Verno on June 5th, 2021 @ 12:18am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Source?Verno wrote:The writer only watched Beast Wars for the first time last year.
Erik Burnham stops by and talks Transformers Beast Wars form IDW!
"I was, a year ago, just before my birthday last year, in February, I was bored and flipping through to find something to watch on all the streaming channels. I flipped over to one of the free ones, Tubi, and I saw Beast Wars on there. And I said, I've never seen this, I think I'll check it out."
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106576)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 5th, 2021 @ 7:30am CDT
The part that made me sceptical was people gushing over how much they love Skold and Nyx. One or two issues in. When they had said little, were barely seen and had done nothing of note. Sounding very, very fake.
All the more reason this was the wrong creative team to be given this book. In spite of my overall opinion of The Gathering/Ascending, I likely would have opted for Simon Furman and Don Figueroa.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 5th, 2021 @ 7:30am CDT
william-james88 wrote:Well we now know that those letters are based on their response to the first issue which was better than the latest one. If they are now at issue 4 and still choose to show letters from the response to issue 1 then yeah, cherry picking. But still legit responses.
The part that made me sceptical was people gushing over how much they love Skold and Nyx. One or two issues in. When they had said little, were barely seen and had done nothing of note. Sounding very, very fake.
Verno wrote:The writer only watched Beast Wars for the first time last year. Perhaps he's getting the characters mixed up.
All the more reason this was the wrong creative team to be given this book. In spite of my overall opinion of The Gathering/Ascending, I likely would have opted for Simon Furman and Don Figueroa.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106577)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 5th, 2021 @ 7:42am CDT
They were probably the only team on hand, with proven track record given the success of Ghostbusters x TF (which was fantastic).
After all I imagine that delaying the comic for another team would have been out of the question. I'm looking forward to where this goes now they've gotten where Hasbro wants them
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 5th, 2021 @ 7:42am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:william-james88 wrote:Well we now know that those letters are based on their response to the first issue which was better than the latest one. If they are now at issue 4 and still choose to show letters from the response to issue 1 then yeah, cherry picking. But still legit responses.
The part that made me sceptical was people gushing over how much they love Skold and Nyx. One or two issues in. When they had said little, were barely seen and had done nothing of note. Sounding very, very fake.Verno wrote:The writer only watched Beast Wars for the first time last year. Perhaps he's getting the characters mixed up.
All the more reason this was the wrong creative team to be given this book. In spite of my overall opinion of The Gathering/Ascending, I likely would have opted for Simon Furman and Don Figueroa.
They were probably the only team on hand, with proven track record given the success of Ghostbusters x TF (which was fantastic).
After all I imagine that delaying the comic for another team would have been out of the question. I'm looking forward to where this goes now they've gotten where Hasbro wants them
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106587)
Posted by RNSrobot on June 5th, 2021 @ 1:10pm CDT
Posted by RNSrobot on June 5th, 2021 @ 1:10pm CDT
Oof. Yeah. I've been just kind of reading *about* the comic, but that Dinobot page is... lame. "I formally request to become a Maximal." Scintillating.
I'm fine with adaptation. We don't need a slavish adaptation of the show; we already have the show. But this keeps seeming dreadfully dull.
The art is weird. I *like* the style. It's fun! It's really cool! It's different! It sets the BW comic apart from other TF comics. But then you get pieces like Megatron with those... legs... and it's distracting.
There were a variety of reasons I wasn't a fan of what's-his-face on Lost Light (Jack Lawrence?). It wasn't the sub-Walky style cutesy art. It was the poor layouts, boring action, but especially his weird sense of proportion. In that was, it was constantly drawing guys with TINY legs, short-ass legs, seemingly to fit them into the panel rather than drawing them well.
I'm fine with adaptation. We don't need a slavish adaptation of the show; we already have the show. But this keeps seeming dreadfully dull.
The art is weird. I *like* the style. It's fun! It's really cool! It's different! It sets the BW comic apart from other TF comics. But then you get pieces like Megatron with those... legs... and it's distracting.
There were a variety of reasons I wasn't a fan of what's-his-face on Lost Light (Jack Lawrence?). It wasn't the sub-Walky style cutesy art. It was the poor layouts, boring action, but especially his weird sense of proportion. In that was, it was constantly drawing guys with TINY legs, short-ass legs, seemingly to fit them into the panel rather than drawing them well.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106588)
Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on June 5th, 2021 @ 1:48pm CDT
I mean, it’s not like they’re going to print letters bashing the series. Much like how a film studio isn’t going to put quotes from negative reviews on a movie poster.
Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on June 5th, 2021 @ 1:48pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Honestly, I didn't get the slightest hint of sincerity from those letters. Having seen years of letters pages in DC and Marvel books, it doesn't have that kind of honesty to it. Possibly an extreme level of cherry picking?
There may be some people seeing something positive from this book but, to that extent, the expression 'laying it on a bit thick' comes to mind.
I mean, it’s not like they’re going to print letters bashing the series. Much like how a film studio isn’t going to put quotes from negative reviews on a movie poster.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106589)
Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on June 5th, 2021 @ 1:52pm CDT
A fresh perspective isn’t always a bad thing. I mean, this book fucking blows, so this guy clearly isn’t right for Beast Wars. But the notion of bringing in a new set of eyes to a property isn’t inherently dubious.
Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on June 5th, 2021 @ 1:52pm CDT
Verno wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Source?Verno wrote:The writer only watched Beast Wars for the first time last year.
Erik Burnham stops by and talks Transformers Beast Wars form IDW!
"I was, a year ago, just before my birthday last year, in February, I was bored and flipping through to find something to watch on all the streaming channels. I flipped over to one of the free ones, Tubi, and I saw Beast Wars on there. And I said, I've never seen this, I think I'll check it out."
A fresh perspective isn’t always a bad thing. I mean, this book fucking blows, so this guy clearly isn’t right for Beast Wars. But the notion of bringing in a new set of eyes to a property isn’t inherently dubious.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106598)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 5th, 2021 @ 3:40pm CDT
Its a matter of perspective though, i quite like this book and look forward to how it will deviate now its met Hasbro's status quo. I understand why people compare this to the TV show but at the same time I don't? I mean I view them as completely separate entities. I mean, do people still compare IDWs G1 stuff to the G1 cartoon? I feel like that ship sailed a long time ago, even longer ago when they made Megs an Autobot.
Comics being different beasts then the cartoons is nothing new, so why does it matter how here that Dinobot is different then all the other changes that characters got in other series?
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 5th, 2021 @ 3:40pm CDT
TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Verno wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Source?Verno wrote:The writer only watched Beast Wars for the first time last year.
Erik Burnham stops by and talks Transformers Beast Wars form IDW!
"I was, a year ago, just before my birthday last year, in February, I was bored and flipping through to find something to watch on all the streaming channels. I flipped over to one of the free ones, Tubi, and I saw Beast Wars on there. And I said, I've never seen this, I think I'll check it out."
A fresh perspective isn’t always a bad thing. I mean, this book **** blows, so this guy clearly isn’t right for Beast Wars. But the notion of bringing in a new set of eyes to a property isn’t inherently dubious.
Its a matter of perspective though, i quite like this book and look forward to how it will deviate now its met Hasbro's status quo. I understand why people compare this to the TV show but at the same time I don't? I mean I view them as completely separate entities. I mean, do people still compare IDWs G1 stuff to the G1 cartoon? I feel like that ship sailed a long time ago, even longer ago when they made Megs an Autobot.
Comics being different beasts then the cartoons is nothing new, so why does it matter how here that Dinobot is different then all the other changes that characters got in other series?
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106621)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 5th, 2021 @ 9:03pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 5th, 2021 @ 9:03pm CDT
Back in April, Josh Burcham Tweeted a mockup of Ironhide with Silverbolt and Prowl to give us an idea of what those other two might look like:
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106624)
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 5th, 2021 @ 9:43pm CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 5th, 2021 @ 9:43pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Back in April, Josh Burcham Tweeted a mockup of Ironhide with Silverbolt and Prowl to give us an idea of what those other two might look like:
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106628)
Posted by Verno on June 6th, 2021 @ 12:06am CDT
I realise minis and ongoings are different beasts, but it's still worth noting just how much The Gathering did in 4 issues, and comparing it to how much this series has done in the same time.
Posted by Verno on June 6th, 2021 @ 12:06am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:All the more reason this was the wrong creative team to be given this book. In spite of my overall opinion of The Gathering/Ascending, I likely would have opted for Simon Furman and Don Figueroa.
I realise minis and ongoings are different beasts, but it's still worth noting just how much The Gathering did in 4 issues, and comparing it to how much this series has done in the same time.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106629)
Posted by Verno on June 6th, 2021 @ 12:10am CDT
For sure. Sadly, it's not currently working for us. The series has started with a whimper instead of a bang.
Posted by Verno on June 6th, 2021 @ 12:10am CDT
TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:A fresh perspective isn’t always a bad thing. I mean, this book **** blows, so this guy clearly isn’t right for Beast Wars. But the notion of bringing in a new set of eyes to a property isn’t inherently dubious.
For sure. Sadly, it's not currently working for us. The series has started with a whimper instead of a bang.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106630)
Posted by Verno on June 6th, 2021 @ 12:18am CDT
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Beast Wars hasn't been rehashed repeatedly throughout the years, like G1 has. Beast Wars has just been Beast Wars for 25 years. This is the first time it's been reimagined, but that means it's got to overcome 25 years of those characters only having a single interpretation.
It's a huge legacy to try to live up to, and fumbling the ball so early with the depiction of a character like Dinobot and his motivations doesn't fill me with hope or trust going forward.
Posted by Verno on June 6th, 2021 @ 12:18am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Its a matter of perspective though, i quite like this book and look forward to how it will deviate now its met Hasbro's status quo. I understand why people compare this to the TV show but at the same time I don't? I mean I view them as completely separate entities. I mean, do people still compare IDWs G1 stuff to the G1 cartoon? I feel like that ship sailed a long time ago, even longer ago when they made Megs an Autobot.
Comics being different beasts then the cartoons is nothing new, so why does it matter how here that Dinobot is different then all the other changes that characters got in other series?
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Beast Wars hasn't been rehashed repeatedly throughout the years, like G1 has. Beast Wars has just been Beast Wars for 25 years. This is the first time it's been reimagined, but that means it's got to overcome 25 years of those characters only having a single interpretation.
It's a huge legacy to try to live up to, and fumbling the ball so early with the depiction of a character like Dinobot and his motivations doesn't fill me with hope or trust going forward.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106632)
Posted by JazZeke on June 6th, 2021 @ 1:44am CDT
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was directed by someone who had never seen the show before being hired on. And in contrast, it's my personal belief that new Doctor Who's showrunners being fanboys is the reason the series tends to feel so fanficy, since the Doctor has gone from a an underdog hero in the old show to The Most Important Being In The Universe in the new show. And don't even get me started on JJ Abrams and Star Wars.
So objectivity can be a good thing. Hopefully Burnham just needs some time to get accustomed to the voices of the characters.
Posted by JazZeke on June 6th, 2021 @ 1:44am CDT
TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Verno wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Source?Verno wrote:The writer only watched Beast Wars for the first time last year.
Erik Burnham stops by and talks Transformers Beast Wars form IDW!
"I was, a year ago, just before my birthday last year, in February, I was bored and flipping through to find something to watch on all the streaming channels. I flipped over to one of the free ones, Tubi, and I saw Beast Wars on there. And I said, I've never seen this, I think I'll check it out."
A fresh perspective isn’t always a bad thing. I mean, this book **** blows, so this guy clearly isn’t right for Beast Wars. But the notion of bringing in a new set of eyes to a property isn’t inherently dubious.
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was directed by someone who had never seen the show before being hired on. And in contrast, it's my personal belief that new Doctor Who's showrunners being fanboys is the reason the series tends to feel so fanficy, since the Doctor has gone from a an underdog hero in the old show to The Most Important Being In The Universe in the new show. And don't even get me started on JJ Abrams and Star Wars.
So objectivity can be a good thing. Hopefully Burnham just needs some time to get accustomed to the voices of the characters.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106640)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 6th, 2021 @ 6:22am CDT
It isn't about representing negativity, but the overwhelmingly positive wording of those letters just comes across as both fake and sycophantic.
People still compare this entire franchise to G1. It has been a noose around Transformers' neck since the end of the Beast Era.
It matters when the characterisation is poor. The problem isn't about new interpretations or not being a "slavish" adaptation. It is about telling an interesting take. With engaging writing. This isn't either of those.
I also think you're scapegoating Hasbro here, for the problems with this book. Time Travel, Golden Disk, Dinobot's defection. This is how I envision Hasbro's stipulations for a BW comic book. A checklist of key points that must be contained. The rest is all on the shoulders of the creative team.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 6th, 2021 @ 6:22am CDT
TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:I mean, it’s not like they’re going to print letters bashing the series. Much like how a film studio isn’t going to put quotes from negative reviews on a movie poster.
It isn't about representing negativity, but the overwhelmingly positive wording of those letters just comes across as both fake and sycophantic.
ZeroWolf wrote: I mean, do people still compare IDWs G1 stuff to the G1 cartoon? I feel like that ship sailed a long time ago
People still compare this entire franchise to G1. It has been a noose around Transformers' neck since the end of the Beast Era.ZeroWolf wrote:Comics being different beasts then the cartoons is nothing new, so why does it matter how here that Dinobot is different then all the other changes that characters got in other series?
It matters when the characterisation is poor. The problem isn't about new interpretations or not being a "slavish" adaptation. It is about telling an interesting take. With engaging writing. This isn't either of those.
ZeroWolf wrote:Its a matter of perspective though, i quite like this book and look forward to how it will deviate now its met Hasbro's status quo. I understand why people compare this to the TV show but at the same time I don't? I mean I view them as completely separate entities.
I also think you're scapegoating Hasbro here, for the problems with this book. Time Travel, Golden Disk, Dinobot's defection. This is how I envision Hasbro's stipulations for a BW comic book. A checklist of key points that must be contained. The rest is all on the shoulders of the creative team.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106665)
Posted by bluecatcinema on June 6th, 2021 @ 1:19pm CDT
And who is "us"? I quite like the series myself. Please don't assume to speak for everyone.
Posted by bluecatcinema on June 6th, 2021 @ 1:19pm CDT
Verno wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:A fresh perspective isn’t always a bad thing. I mean, this book **** blows, so this guy clearly isn’t right for Beast Wars. But the notion of bringing in a new set of eyes to a property isn’t inherently dubious.
For sure. Sadly, it's not currently working for us.
And who is "us"? I quite like the series myself. Please don't assume to speak for everyone.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106680)
Posted by Verno on June 6th, 2021 @ 6:32pm CDT
Us - Myself and the user I was responding to. That could perhaps be expanded to those within the fandom that aren't enjoying the series to date, but I certainly wasn't speaking on behalf of the entire fandom, nor attempting to.
So there some assuming going on here, but it's not coming from me.
If you're enjoying the series, I'm genuinely happy for you. I'm reading the comments across three different boards, trying to get some different perspectives on it, in case I'm missing something. But, from what I've found, it appears the majority of posters are of a similar thinking.
Posted by Verno on June 6th, 2021 @ 6:32pm CDT
bluecatcinema wrote:Verno wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:A fresh perspective isn’t always a bad thing. I mean, this book **** blows, so this guy clearly isn’t right for Beast Wars. But the notion of bringing in a new set of eyes to a property isn’t inherently dubious.
For sure. Sadly, it's not currently working for us.
And who is "us"? I quite like the series myself. Please don't assume to speak for everyone.
Us - Myself and the user I was responding to. That could perhaps be expanded to those within the fandom that aren't enjoying the series to date, but I certainly wasn't speaking on behalf of the entire fandom, nor attempting to.
So there some assuming going on here, but it's not coming from me.
If you're enjoying the series, I'm genuinely happy for you. I'm reading the comments across three different boards, trying to get some different perspectives on it, in case I'm missing something. But, from what I've found, it appears the majority of posters are of a similar thinking.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106791)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 7th, 2021 @ 7:56pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 7th, 2021 @ 7:56pm CDT
I'm also enjoying the series. Issue 4 was the most "filler" an issue has felt, but I have read and enjoyed Burnham's stories and know that once he gets that voice down, he is gonna nail it.
and I love the art. I have always been a big fan of Burcham, and the way he draws is unique and is a totally different look that speaks to me.
and I love the art. I have always been a big fan of Burcham, and the way he draws is unique and is a totally different look that speaks to me.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106816)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 7th, 2021 @ 11:21pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 7th, 2021 @ 11:21pm CDT
So far, 1 and 3 have been decent (aside from Dinobot's display of hypocrisy in 3), while 2 and 4 have both felt like all setup for later stuff with little-to-no substance.
It's like the Star Trek films but inverted.
It's like the Star Trek films but inverted.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106842)
Posted by TFfan1 on June 8th, 2021 @ 10:52am CDT
Posted by TFfan1 on June 8th, 2021 @ 10:52am CDT
Maybe it's because I'm just not a huge BW fan (I prefer BM, go on and skewer me 
), but this miniseries just feels so...unneccessary to me. We're just retreading old ground here, without enough of a new spin to really justify it to me. The Gathering/Ascending run could be a bit flat on characterization for my tastes but they were -new- stories with new characters at least. I feel like there's potential here, but the characters need to be put in new situations.
And I still agree Burcham was the wrong person to draw this book. My favorite comic colorist of all time (to go back to the Furman BW books, his coloring work is superb), but his sharp, stylized and simple lines just don't read "Beast Wars" to me. There needs to be a sense of three-dimensionality and organic detail he's not delivering
), but this miniseries just feels so...unneccessary to me. We're just retreading old ground here, without enough of a new spin to really justify it to me. The Gathering/Ascending run could be a bit flat on characterization for my tastes but they were -new- stories with new characters at least. I feel like there's potential here, but the characters need to be put in new situations.And I still agree Burcham was the wrong person to draw this book. My favorite comic colorist of all time (to go back to the Furman BW books, his coloring work is superb), but his sharp, stylized and simple lines just don't read "Beast Wars" to me. There needs to be a sense of three-dimensionality and organic detail he's not delivering
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106876)
Posted by JazZeke on June 8th, 2021 @ 3:05pm CDT
Posted by JazZeke on June 8th, 2021 @ 3:05pm CDT
Clearly I should be the one writing new Beast Wars content.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2106880)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 8th, 2021 @ 3:54pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 8th, 2021 @ 3:54pm CDT
Sadly IDW lost the Dr Who licence 
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2108782)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 30th, 2021 @ 12:50pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 30th, 2021 @ 12:50pm CDT
So far, the odd number pattern continues with Issue 5 being okay. We finally get a big battle with both factions and it is explained what this series is doing with Dinobot by making him so different from the cartoon.
It's not that he's been made to be such a nice guy while the rest of his faction is evil, it's that he's being used to show that the Predacon faction as a whole is not made up of thoroughly evil people but are instead a prejudiced people mistreated by the Maximals for their natural inclination towards aggression. The Predacons are a warrior race by nature, but without proper wars to fight in, they have had to adapt to various civilian roles in which they can legally let loose their competitive urges and warrior tendencies, such as in sports, law, science, and even peacekeeping. Still, Cybertron remains an imperfect world, with underlying tensions between the Maximals and Predacons still ever present.
In contrast, Megatron and his crew are singled out as terrorist radicals who don't represent the larger Predacon populace. Megatron swayed Dinobot to his cause by preying on Dinobot's own sense of honor, convincing him that the Maximal Science Ministry was disgraceful in its covering up the significance of the Golden Disk, a sentiment that Dinobot does still agree with. What he hadn't realized at the time was how vicious the others of Megatron's crew were, having apparently only joined up with them shortly before the Golden Disk heist. He left them to join up with the Maximals not because he wants to desert his faction, but because he wants no part in Megatron's terrorist group who, in his mind, give the Predacons a bad name.
It's not that he's been made to be such a nice guy while the rest of his faction is evil, it's that he's being used to show that the Predacon faction as a whole is not made up of thoroughly evil people but are instead a prejudiced people mistreated by the Maximals for their natural inclination towards aggression. The Predacons are a warrior race by nature, but without proper wars to fight in, they have had to adapt to various civilian roles in which they can legally let loose their competitive urges and warrior tendencies, such as in sports, law, science, and even peacekeeping. Still, Cybertron remains an imperfect world, with underlying tensions between the Maximals and Predacons still ever present.
In contrast, Megatron and his crew are singled out as terrorist radicals who don't represent the larger Predacon populace. Megatron swayed Dinobot to his cause by preying on Dinobot's own sense of honor, convincing him that the Maximal Science Ministry was disgraceful in its covering up the significance of the Golden Disk, a sentiment that Dinobot does still agree with. What he hadn't realized at the time was how vicious the others of Megatron's crew were, having apparently only joined up with them shortly before the Golden Disk heist. He left them to join up with the Maximals not because he wants to desert his faction, but because he wants no part in Megatron's terrorist group who, in his mind, give the Predacons a bad name.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2108783)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 30th, 2021 @ 12:54pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 30th, 2021 @ 12:54pm CDT
Rationalise this take on Silverbolt Dinobot, by making the entire Predacon faction sound worse.... 
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2108784)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 30th, 2021 @ 12:56pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 30th, 2021 @ 12:56pm CDT
You want the Preds to be an entire race of one-note monsters?AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Rationalise this take on Silverbolt Dinobot, by making the entire Predacon faction sound worse....
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2108785)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 30th, 2021 @ 1:00pm CDT
Except none of them were. Well, ..aside from Scorponok, Waspinator and Quickstrike. The Predacon faction, from what little was drip-fed, was interesting. That above, is generic and clichéd as hell.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 30th, 2021 @ 1:00pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:You want the Preds to be an entire race of one-note monsters?AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Rationalise this take on Silverbolt Dinobot, by making the entire Predacon faction sound worse....
Except none of them were. Well, ..aside from Scorponok, Waspinator and Quickstrike. The Predacon faction, from what little was drip-fed, was interesting. That above, is generic and clichéd as hell.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2108786)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 30th, 2021 @ 1:04pm CDT
The most interesting villains are those who view the good guys as evil and themselves as in the right, not self-proclaimed wrongdoers.
Posted by Sabrblade on June 30th, 2021 @ 1:04pm CDT
We're talking about the same Megatron who, in one of his greatest moments, proudly gloated the words "EVIL TRIUMPHS!", undercutting any and all nuance to the idea that he was trying to make things better for Predacon society as a whole and not just being an obvious harbinger of evil.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Sabrblade wrote:You want the Preds to be an entire race of one-note monsters?AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Rationalise this take on Silverbolt Dinobot, by making the entire Predacon faction sound worse....
Except none of them were. Well, ..aside from Scorponok, Waspinator and Quickstrike. The Predacon faction, from what little was drip-fed, was interesting. That above, is generic and clichéd as hell.
The most interesting villains are those who view the good guys as evil and themselves as in the right, not self-proclaimed wrongdoers.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2108787)
Posted by william-james88 on June 30th, 2021 @ 1:04pm CDT
This was a very pleasant issue to read and as a Beast Wars fan, I had fun. What I always loved in the original series was that the limited cast meant you could often have them all in the same scene or within the same show, and you got to know them better. You could say that second to beast modes, that's the biggest difference between Beast Wars and G1, which had an ever sprawling cast and new side characters added in every episode. This is the very first issue that really made me feel like I was watching an extension of the Beast Wars show, which is odd since this series was mandated to feel like the first few episodes at first.
This is also the issue where we get some backstory to the world and the alliance between Predacons and Maximals. We even get a better explanation at Dinobot's turn and his motivations. Of course, writing this AFTER the conflicting behaviour we read for a few issues is really poor thinking on the part of the writer. The handling of Primal was well done. From the first issue, we were told exactly how he differed to the show, which explained how he acted later. But for Dinobot, we get our explanation after being puzzled. This isn't memento, it's a Beast Wars comic. If there is something important we should know in a comic that is acting as a retelling of the show at times, then let us know.
There are of course come inconsistencies, like a character claiming ignorance to certain things while previous issues said that the reputation of certain Predacons was widely known. And most of all, DO NOT REFERENCE BETTER MATERIAL. Those jokes never ever work, ever. Didn't work for the Dark Phoenix film, didn't work for Coming to America 2, just stop it. Let's just move past that and enjoy the meat of this issue, which is... action!
Most of the issue is made up of a fight scene and it was a blast. Lots of fun interactions with great money shots like Primal and Megatron finally facing off. We even got to see Cheetor in action, which is great since that character has been sidelined all this time.
I have grown accustomed to the artwork so I don't mind it, but there are still some really jarring moments when it comes to scale, like this moment where Tarantulus pounces on Rattrap.
Some writing and scale inconsistencies aside, this was by far the most enjoyable issue so far. Since all that happened in previous issues is referenced in the dialogue, I would honestly recommend anyone who is interested in this series to just start with this issue, no need for the previous ones.
Oh and that one joke about school was quite funny.
out of
Posted by william-james88 on June 30th, 2021 @ 1:04pm CDT
This was a very pleasant issue to read and as a Beast Wars fan, I had fun. What I always loved in the original series was that the limited cast meant you could often have them all in the same scene or within the same show, and you got to know them better. You could say that second to beast modes, that's the biggest difference between Beast Wars and G1, which had an ever sprawling cast and new side characters added in every episode. This is the very first issue that really made me feel like I was watching an extension of the Beast Wars show, which is odd since this series was mandated to feel like the first few episodes at first.
This is also the issue where we get some backstory to the world and the alliance between Predacons and Maximals. We even get a better explanation at Dinobot's turn and his motivations. Of course, writing this AFTER the conflicting behaviour we read for a few issues is really poor thinking on the part of the writer. The handling of Primal was well done. From the first issue, we were told exactly how he differed to the show, which explained how he acted later. But for Dinobot, we get our explanation after being puzzled. This isn't memento, it's a Beast Wars comic. If there is something important we should know in a comic that is acting as a retelling of the show at times, then let us know.
There are of course come inconsistencies, like a character claiming ignorance to certain things while previous issues said that the reputation of certain Predacons was widely known. And most of all, DO NOT REFERENCE BETTER MATERIAL. Those jokes never ever work, ever. Didn't work for the Dark Phoenix film, didn't work for Coming to America 2, just stop it. Let's just move past that and enjoy the meat of this issue, which is... action!
Most of the issue is made up of a fight scene and it was a blast. Lots of fun interactions with great money shots like Primal and Megatron finally facing off. We even got to see Cheetor in action, which is great since that character has been sidelined all this time.
I have grown accustomed to the artwork so I don't mind it, but there are still some really jarring moments when it comes to scale, like this moment where Tarantulus pounces on Rattrap.
Some writing and scale inconsistencies aside, this was by far the most enjoyable issue so far. Since all that happened in previous issues is referenced in the dialogue, I would honestly recommend anyone who is interested in this series to just start with this issue, no need for the previous ones.
Oh and that one joke about school was quite funny.
out of
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2108789)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 30th, 2021 @ 1:09pm CDT
That is one of the best quotes in the entire series. Don't take it out of context.
Not always. The quote 'no one is the villain in their own story' doesn't have to be their defining trait. Tarantulas and Rampage are two of the best villains Transformers has ever made. That trope doesn't apply to either of them. Nor are they 'one-note monsters'.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 30th, 2021 @ 1:09pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:We're talking about the same Megatron who, in one of his greatest moments, proudly gloated the words "EVIL TRIUMPHS!"
That is one of the best quotes in the entire series. Don't take it out of context.Sabrblade wrote:The most interesting villains are those who view the good guys as evil and themselves as in the right, not self-proclaimed wrongdoers.
Not always. The quote 'no one is the villain in their own story' doesn't have to be their defining trait. Tarantulas and Rampage are two of the best villains Transformers has ever made. That trope doesn't apply to either of them. Nor are they 'one-note monsters'.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2108794)
Posted by william-james88 on June 30th, 2021 @ 3:01pm CDT
And yet Tarantulus is a renowned evil pred that people fear. The way this Dinobot is being written, he would have turned away as soon as he saw that guy in Meg's crew.
Posted by william-james88 on June 30th, 2021 @ 3:01pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote: What he hadn't realized at the time was how vicious the others of Megatron's crew were, having apparently only joined up with them shortly before the Golden Disk heist.
And yet Tarantulus is a renowned evil pred that people fear. The way this Dinobot is being written, he would have turned away as soon as he saw that guy in Meg's crew.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2109007)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on July 2nd, 2021 @ 5:48pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on July 2nd, 2021 @ 5:48pm CDT
Why is it that I loved this style of art in TFA, but don't care for it in these comics? Too many straight lines and angles, not enough curves.
Re: Transformers Beast Wars #4 Review (2109009)
Posted by Sabrblade on July 2nd, 2021 @ 5:51pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on July 2nd, 2021 @ 5:51pm CDT
Still images vs. moving pictures, perhaps?Rodimus Prime wrote:Why is it that I loved this style of art in TFA, but don't care for it in these comics? Too many straight lines and angles, not enough curves.
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