Two competing storytelling philosophies exist in video games. One states that a game should be filled with a series of scripted cutscenes that narrate an overarching plot. The other believes a game should never take control away from a player, thereby creating a kind of simulated fiction where the player is mobile actor. In Transformers: Fall of Cybertron, developer High Moon is aiming for this second approach. It hopes to offer players some measure of control even during scripted sequences. But telling a story this way is no simple task.
Using interactive sequences and allowing players to discover the plot on their own is a lot more work than the traditional approach. “I feel like if you can tell a story in-game then that’s how you should do it,” says High Moon cinematics designer Neil Carter. “One of my favorite games is Out of This World. I loved how they seamlessly integrated cutscenes with gameplay. We’re trying to do more stuff like that in Fall of Cybertron.”
Transformers: Fall of Cybertron "Larger Than Life: Designing Fall of Cybertron's Set Piece Moments"
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Comment by Shadowman
Nov 1, 2011
So they're just taking the Half-Life approach. Always in control, even in what amounts to cutscenes. A ton of FPS games are doing this nowadays.
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Comment by Zequem
Nov 1, 2011
So far I'm liking what they're doing with this game. The cut-scenes didn't really bother me in WFC, but it's always nice touch to have the player in more control. And the story flows more nicely.
I just hope there will be some special moves to do. In WFC I was cursing because I couldn't do a barrel-roll while the enemies could. I recall them saying in one video something about "Bumblebee doing back-flips", but before I celebrate I want to see a proof.
Oh, and if all levels are like that, I'm not sure if my brother will get to play the game at all.
I just hope there will be some special moves to do. In WFC I was cursing because I couldn't do a barrel-roll while the enemies could. I recall them saying in one video something about "Bumblebee doing back-flips", but before I celebrate I want to see a proof.
Oh, and if all levels are like that, I'm not sure if my brother will get to play the game at all.
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Assassin's Creed does that too.
Comment by SlyTF1
Nov 1, 2011
Shadowman wrote:So they're just taking the Half-Life approach. Always in control, even in what amounts to cutscenes. A ton of FPS games are doing this nowadays.
Assassin's Creed does that too.
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Comment by metatron_da_don
Nov 1, 2011
@Sabrblade thx! I found the video and got a screen cap of Perceptor
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As for the BW
I remember Beast Wars, I remember they were on the Ark and they were dwarfed by their G1 ancestors on the Ark. Maximals and Predacons are roughly human size according to Wiki they reformatted for energy consumption.
I like BW chars but wouldd not want a Beast Wars game where we abandon G1 for a convoluted storyline.
I'd like for the size guys to maybe be unlockable guest stars via time travel back.
- Optimal Optimus
- TM2 Megatron
If they would make a separate BW game on Earth it would be a smaller scale stealth game in the jungle which I dont think would sell as well.
or anyone that fits size wise but my problem is the majority of them don't.
Maximal Physiology
http://www.bwint.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2284
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As for the BW
I remember Beast Wars, I remember they were on the Ark and they were dwarfed by their G1 ancestors on the Ark. Maximals and Predacons are roughly human size according to Wiki they reformatted for energy consumption.
I like BW chars but wouldd not want a Beast Wars game where we abandon G1 for a convoluted storyline.
I'd like for the size guys to maybe be unlockable guest stars via time travel back.
- Optimal Optimus
- TM2 Megatron
If they would make a separate BW game on Earth it would be a smaller scale stealth game in the jungle which I dont think would sell as well.
or anyone that fits size wise but my problem is the majority of them don't.
Maximal Physiology
http://www.bwint.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2284
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Comment by Wigglez
Nov 2, 2011
I could dig a BW game. As long as it played like the TF Armada game. Because I don't really seeing it working like WFC or anything like that. Or maybe a BW RPG game where you create your character that starts from the stasis pods but weren't they all used up in the Gathering?
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Nov 2, 2011
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Nov 2, 2011
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You shouldn't. That's like counting the 360 and PS3 versions of War for Cybertron as separate games.
Comment by Shadowman
Nov 2, 2011
Sabrblade wrote:Three counting the N64 version.
You shouldn't. That's like counting the 360 and PS3 versions of War for Cybertron as separate games.
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Comment by Sabrblade
Nov 2, 2011
Not when the N64 version has different features and characters. Plus a a richer story mode and a different set of endings. The two may be similar, but they have several notable differences that make make them nowhere near as identical to each other as the 360 and PS3 version WFC are.Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Three counting the N64 version.
You shouldn't. That's like counting the 360 and PS3 versions of War for Cybertron as separate games.
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I only ever played one of the two (PS1, I think) but how did the gameplay differ? A slightly different playable cast and different special features does not a new game make. They're just two versions of the same game. Like the console and DS versions of WfC.
Comment by Shadowman
Nov 2, 2011
Sabrblade wrote:Not when the N64 version has different features and characters. Plus a a richer story mode and a different set of endings. The two may be similar, but they have several notable differences that make make them nowhere near as identical to each other as the 360 and PS3 version WFC are.Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Three counting the N64 version.
You shouldn't. That's like counting the 360 and PS3 versions of War for Cybertron as separate games.
I only ever played one of the two (PS1, I think) but how did the gameplay differ? A slightly different playable cast and different special features does not a new game make. They're just two versions of the same game. Like the console and DS versions of WfC.
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Optimus Prime comes back half way through the game looks around at the zoo animals unleashed says WTF! grabs Ironhide and wastes everyone.
Comment by chuckdawg1999
Nov 2, 2011
Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Not when the N64 version has different features and characters. Plus a a richer story mode and a different set of endings. The two may be similar, but they have several notable differences that make make them nowhere near as identical to each other as the 360 and PS3 version WFC are.Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Three counting the N64 version.
You shouldn't. That's like counting the 360 and PS3 versions of War for Cybertron as separate games.
I only ever played one of the two (PS1, I think) but how did the gameplay differ? A slightly different playable cast and different special features does not a new game make. They're just two versions of the same game. Like the console and DS versions of WfC.
Optimus Prime comes back half way through the game looks around at the zoo animals unleashed says WTF! grabs Ironhide and wastes everyone.
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Though, the console and DS versions of WFC is a good comparison to this, as the DS WFC games are also very different from the console versions of WFC.
Comment by Sabrblade
Nov 2, 2011
The PS1 game is an over-the-head fighter, wile the N64 game is a sideview formatted fighter. The PS1 game assigns characters per match, while the N64 game lets the players choose whoever they want to be. The N64 game includes Megatron X in its story mode, where he is absent in the PS1 game. The PS1 game has a vague ending for story mode, while the N64 game has many diverse and very detailed textual endings for each playable character in story mode.Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Not when the N64 version has different features and characters. Plus a a richer story mode and a different set of endings. The two may be similar, but they have several notable differences that make make them nowhere near as identical to each other as the 360 and PS3 version WFC are.Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Three counting the N64 version.
You shouldn't. That's like counting the 360 and PS3 versions of War for Cybertron as separate games.
I only ever played one of the two (PS1, I think) but how did the gameplay differ? A slightly different playable cast and different special features does not a new game make. They're just two versions of the same game. Like the console and DS versions of WfC.
Though, the console and DS versions of WFC is a good comparison to this, as the DS WFC games are also very different from the console versions of WFC.
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Comment by MINDVVIPE
Nov 2, 2011
I wish I could play that BW fighting game, that looked sweet with the Transmetals and such...
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Transmetals was fine enough, not exactly Game of the Year materials but it's fine. The other game was, by all accounts, terrible. They didn't even get the cast of BW to reprise their roles in it, despite reusing clips from the show as FMVs.
Comment by Shadowman
Nov 2, 2011
MINDVVIPE wrote:I wish I could play that BW fighting game, that looked sweet with the Transmetals and such...
Transmetals was fine enough, not exactly Game of the Year materials but it's fine. The other game was, by all accounts, terrible. They didn't even get the cast of BW to reprise their roles in it, despite reusing clips from the show as FMVs.
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Comment by Sabrblade
Nov 2, 2011
Eh, it wasn't that great. Not overtly terrible, but still subpar at best. IGN gave both versions a 3.0 out of 10.MINDVVIPE wrote:I wish I could play that BW fighting game, that looked sweet with the Transmetals and such...
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Thats too bad, I'd love to have a current fighting game with TF characters, the character list could be huge, haha. Kinda off topic, but does anyone remember this 2D fighting game with robots? The art style was like marvel/capcom (lots of bright colours), and the robots were not just bipedal. I used to play it in the arcade when I was little and it was just so awesome, haha.
Comment by MINDVVIPE
Nov 2, 2011
Sabrblade wrote:Eh, it wasn't that great. Not overtly terrible, but still subpar at best. IGN gave both versions a 3.0 out of 10.MINDVVIPE wrote:I wish I could play that BW fighting game, that looked sweet with the Transmetals and such...
Thats too bad, I'd love to have a current fighting game with TF characters, the character list could be huge, haha. Kinda off topic, but does anyone remember this 2D fighting game with robots? The art style was like marvel/capcom (lots of bright colours), and the robots were not just bipedal. I used to play it in the arcade when I was little and it was just so awesome, haha.
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Comment by El Duque
Nov 2, 2011
gameinformer editors Matt Miller and Ben Reeves recently sat down for a roundtable discussion with High Moon Studios game director Matt Tieger and lead programmer Andrew Zaferakis regarding the highly anticipated Transformers: Fall of Cybertron. Click here to view the nearly 35 minute video.
We've been highlighting key areas of the new game during our month of coverage on Transformers: Fall of Cybertron, but in this video discussion we hope to address some of your remaining questions. Game Informer editors Matt Miller and Ben Reeves sat down in the conference room at High Moon Studios with game director Matt Tieger and lead programmer Andrew Zaferakis for a casual conversation about the most interesting gameplay additions to Transformers: Fall of Cybertron. If you have any remaining questions, feel free to submit them for the upcoming Transformers podcast with Matt Tieger. We hope you enjoy the video, and we apologize on behalf of Ben Reeves for the bad jokes.
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Comment by Sabrblade
Nov 2, 2011
Whoa. 
We knew Metroplex was big, but two and half times the size of Omega Supreme is just massive! 
We knew Metroplex was big, but two and half times the size of Omega Supreme is just massive!
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Comment by MINDVVIPE
Nov 2, 2011
This sounds so good. I love how they are dealing with Grimlock and his rage>transform deal. I was kind of worried of it being just a little boring if you could just be in alt mode all the time with him... kudos, highmoon. Got a tiny bit of mechlab customization too it sounds, always great. I think colours are going to be sort of limited again, since he mentioned how the colours are the factions(?).
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I know there were BW games. But I didn't like them back then either. Arena fighter games aren't really my thing
Comment by Wigglez
Nov 3, 2011
Sabrblade wrote:The PS1 game is an over-the-head fighter, wile the N64 game is a sideview formatted fighter. The PS1 game assigns characters per match, while the N64 game lets the players choose whoever they want to be. The N64 game includes Megatron X in its story mode, where he is absent in the PS1 game. The PS1 game has a vague ending for story mode, while the N64 game and many diverse and very detailed textual endings for each playable character in story mode.Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Not when the N64 version has different features and characters. Plus a a richer story mode and a different set of endings. The two may be similar, but they have several notable differences that make make them nowhere near as identical to each other as the 360 and PS3 version WFC are.Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Three counting the N64 version.
You shouldn't. That's like counting the 360 and PS3 versions of War for Cybertron as separate games.
I only ever played one of the two (PS1, I think) but how did the gameplay differ? A slightly different playable cast and different special features does not a new game make. They're just two versions of the same game. Like the console and DS versions of WfC.
Though, the console and DS versions of WFC is a good comparison to this, as the DS WFC games are also very different from the console versions of WFC.
I know there were BW games. But I didn't like them back then either. Arena fighter games aren't really my thing
