Transformers Generations Selects Artfire Revealed

I was hoping that if he did come with a targetmaster, he would come with two so poor Ricochet wouldn't be so lonely.

Luckily I did partner Rico up with Firebolt anyway.

Also, is it my imagination, or is there a rumour that Stepper and Artfire switched names? Artfire DOES have steps, and Stepper DOES have a fire decal on him...

MeGrimlock78 wrote:I was hoping that if he did come with a targetmaster, he would come with two so poor Ricochet wouldn't be so lonely.

Luckily I did partner Rico up with Firebolt anyway.

Also, is it my imagination, or is there a rumour that Stepper and Artfire switched names? Artfire DOES have steps, and Stepper DOES have a fire decal on him...

Fan Speculation. Not a rumor from any source

Look like that site won't allow hotlinking. Better rework those pictures.

MeGrimlock78 wrote:I was hoping that if he did come with a targetmaster, he would come with two so poor Ricochet wouldn't be so lonely.

I personally think it would be neat if they recolored SS86 Jazz as Stepper (use the actual Takara Name), and release him with his Targetmaster. This way we get the proper name finally, and it differentiates it from Ricochet, the First Selects release which was a repaint of PotP Jazz.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Look like that site won't allow hotlinking. Better rework those pictures.

The site the embedded pics are hosted on is Seibertron.com.

But yeah, they aren't showing up for me either.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Look like that site won't allow hotlinking. Better rework those pictures.

The site the embedded pics are hosted on is Seibertron.com.

But yeah, they aren't showing up for me either.

Odd I can see them

ZeroWolf wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Look like that site won't allow hotlinking. Better rework those pictures.

The site the embedded pics are hosted on is Seibertron.com.

But yeah, they aren't showing up for me either.

Odd I can see them

The pictures juste be flagged as adds.
So the Adblock hide them.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Look like that site won't allow hotlinking. Better rework those pictures.

The site the embedded pics are hosted on is Seibertron.com.

But yeah, they aren't showing up for me either.

Odd I can see them

The pictures juste be flagged as adds.
So the Adblock hide them.

Interesting, has it happened on any other articles?

ZeroWolf wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Look like that site won't allow hotlinking. Better rework those pictures.

The site the embedded pics are hosted on is Seibertron.com.

But yeah, they aren't showing up for me either.

Odd I can see them

The pictures juste be flagged as adds.
So the Adblock hide them.

Interesting, has it happened on any other articles?

Overquoting to say, yeah, it happened one or twice.
Each times it's annoying because my Adblock us set only to block "dangerous" adds. So if these pictures are blocked, it means there's some gremlins in them.

Showing up for me, and gimme!!!

ZeroWolf wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Look like that site won't allow hotlinking. Better rework those pictures.

The site the embedded pics are hosted on is Seibertron.com.

But yeah, they aren't showing up for me either.

Odd I can see them

The pictures juste be flagged as adds.
So the Adblock hide them.

Interesting, has it happened on any other articles?

Happening with me as well. It also happened for the Amazon exclusive Grimlock and Mirage reveal for me.

I can see the pictures fine, haven't had issues seeing any recent pics.

I am glad to see Artfire at last, and glad he has his targetmaster. I will gladly get him!

Neat! Now do Ricochet with his fella from SS86 Jazz.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:I'll never understand why everybody goes nuts over Artfire. It's not even a good repaint. It's just Inferno with some white bits. A full repaint like Hauler makes sense to me. But Artfire looks incredibly lazy like they weren't even trying. It looks like a prototype Inferno where some of the parts haven't been molded in the final colors yet.

Wait, how is artfire "lazy" when inferno has no deco, he's just a red robot

He looks amazing, the white and blue really make the figure pop, can't wait to get him

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I can see the pictures fine, haven't had issues seeing any recent pics.

I am glad to see Artfire at last, and glad he has his targetmaster. I will gladly get him!

I could see them on my phone, can't see them on my computer

I like this mold, though I have no interest in Artfire. I guess I'll have to hunt for a Nightstick to give to Cyclonus once this is released.

I'm hoping that Hauler is next for this mold. That I would get.

I really wish that they re-released the Classics 2.0 Nightstick since that figure could've probably pegged into the hand properly. At the very least they could've used a Battle Master or Takara Legends Targetmaster with one barrel, such is life. Funny aside, the only version of the Masterpiece Inferno mold I own is Artfire, never got a chance to transform it yet.

Hellscream9999 wrote:Wait, how is artfire "lazy" when inferno has no deco, he's just a red robot

Some people expect Super Megatron levels of "repainting" each times I guess?

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Wait, how is artfire "lazy" when inferno has no deco, he's just a red robot

Some people expect Super Megatron levels of "repainting" each times I guess?

To some, redecos of any kind are "lazy" because "We could have gotten another character in a whole new mold instead!"

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Wait, how is artfire "lazy" when inferno has no deco, he's just a red robot

Some people expect Super Megatron levels of "repainting" each times I guess?

To some, redecos of any kind are "lazy" because "We could have gotten another character in a whole new mold instead!"

Redecos have been a a thing since Transformers even existed. It's a way to maximise profits, as usual.
AND OH MY GAWD, A REDECO IN A LINE SPECIALISED IN REDECOS?! WHATS THE WORLD COMING TOOOOOOOOOOO?

The horse have been beaten into powder at this point.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Wait, how is artfire "lazy" when inferno has no deco, he's just a red robot

Some people expect Super Megatron levels of "repainting" each times I guess?

To some, redecos of any kind are "lazy" because "We could have gotten another character in a whole new mold instead!"

These are probably the same people who couldn't sleep at night during Combiner Wars.

Yay, Artfire, an interesting one from this mold finally! I wasn't expecting him to come with his Targetmaster, so the fact that he does is a welcome surprise even if I'm not that attached to him having to have it. Getting blast effects with him is certainly a nice bonus. This is probably a decent indication he may be available on Friday, I would HOPE finally as a return to Selects actually being immediately in stock again like they use to be but he'll probably be yet another preorder for October/November since that's all that happens these days. Cool to see him nonetheless.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Wait, how is artfire "lazy" when inferno has no deco, he's just a red robot

Some people expect Super Megatron levels of "repainting" each times I guess?

To some, redecos of any kind are "lazy" because "We could have gotten another character in a whole new mold instead!"

They said that they find Hauler to be a good repaint but not Artfire, so I'm assuming their issue is that Artfire is still partially the same color as Inferno...but saying the only use of the mold who isn't just one solid color is lazy is still a weird take.

He looks really nice, but I'll just stick with the older one I have no room to display.

But he does look really nice.

I'm hoping they do wind up making Hauler. There's no Neo G1 version of him and he's one of the last characters not to have a toy.

OH MY PRIMUS YES!!!!! In all seriousness, Artfire has by far the coolest deco out of the Grapple/Inferno mold. I am getting him. Whatever it takes.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:I'll never understand why everybody goes nuts over Artfire. It's not even a good repaint. It's just Inferno with some white bits. A full repaint like Hauler makes sense to me. But Artfire looks incredibly lazy like they weren't even trying. It looks like a prototype Inferno where some of the parts haven't been molded in the final colors yet.

To answer it:

News Story wrote:For those who aren't aware, Artfire is a character who originated in the Japanese G1 continuity. His toy was released in 1987 as repaint of Inferno in the Headmasters toyline. This will be his first toy to be released outside of Japan.

It's more the status of the character, rather than the toy representing him. Being Japan-exclusive, his regular toys command big bucks and are hard to come by, ESPECIALLY with his original toy being a tail-ender and thus even rarer than normal. So having a version of him, released by Hasbro at a much more reasonable price and a (relatively) more accessible venue, of course people will go bonkers.

So, first time Artfire is not Japan exclusive.
Nice!
This bid well for other Nippon exclusives.

-Kanrabat- wrote:So, first time Artfire is not Japan exclusive.
Nice!
This bid well for other Nippon exclusives.

Yup. And about time too, his cohort Stepper/Ricochet got plenty of Hasbro toys ever since his first Hasbro reissue back in 2004. And even before that, he got an homage in Car Robots in the form of Spychanger Artfire, released as RiD Hot Shot in the US. All G1 Artfire got was being on the shortlist for a US reissue, and an exclusive United release.

I'm gonna wait on a Stepper, or see if I stumble across a United one, before diving into Artfire.

Looks like Pulse finally released Artfire for pre-order (as well as a few other sites). I checked right at 10am (PST) because that's when these things usually drop, and then got distracted by other things, I guess it's more of an "around" that time, or whenever they get to it .


https://hasbropulse.com/products/transf ... nightstick

The price was surprisingly lower than I expected. $36.99 is really in line with the $30 Voyager and $6 Battlemaster pricing with the extra dollar covering the extra blast effects. Ordered with another Transmutate to get free shipping, and I'll cancel Transmutate tomorrow.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:The price was surprisingly lower than I expected. $36.99 is really in line with the $30 Voyager and $6 Battlemaster pricing with the extra dollar covering the extra blast effects. Ordered with another Transmutate to get free shipping, and I'll cancel Transmutate tomorrow.

Awesome. I just did the same thing. (But cancelled my other Transmutate right away) Now all my Pulse orders are consolidated to get free shipping.

o.supreme wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:The price was surprisingly lower than I expected. $36.99 is really in line with the $30 Voyager and $6 Battlemaster pricing with the extra dollar covering the extra blast effects. Ordered with another Transmutate to get free shipping, and I'll cancel Transmutate tomorrow.

Awesome. I just did the same thing. (But cancelled my other Transmutate right away) Now all my Pulse orders are consolidated to get free shipping.

Can't we just order 2 Artfires and cancel 1? Does it have to be a different figure?

Any order over $50 will get you free shipping. But I think TF-fan (like me), may have had Transmute on a separate order by itself which didn't have free shipping. Combining them both together gets that done, and cancelling the previous order eliminates the extra shipping charge on another order.

If you order 2 Artfires in a single order just to put it over $50, then later cancel one, I'm not sure if the Free Shipping will still apply (The same could be said for any multi-item order where you cancel items and then total goes back below $50)...

Rodimus Prime wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:The price was surprisingly lower than I expected. $36.99 is really in line with the $30 Voyager and $6 Battlemaster pricing with the extra dollar covering the extra blast effects. Ordered with another Transmutate to get free shipping, and I'll cancel Transmutate tomorrow.

Awesome. I just did the same thing. (But cancelled my other Transmutate right away) Now all my Pulse orders are consolidated to get free shipping.

Can't we just order 2 Artfires and cancel 1? Does it have to be a different figure?

Glad you asked, no you can't. You cancel the item and if it is just multiples, then you can only cancel all or none.

I ran into that with Tricranius. Thankfully that didn't sell out and I ordered another with SG Starscream on Friday and cancelled my original order with 2 Tracranius.

o.supreme wrote:Any order over $50 will get you free shipping. But I think TF-fan (like me), may have had Transmute on a separate order by itself which didn't have free shipping. Combining them both together gets that done, and cancelling the previous order eliminates the extra shipping charge on another order.

If you order 2 Artfires in a single order just to put it over $50, then later cancel one, I'm not sure if the Free Shipping will still apply (The same could be said for any multi-item order where you cancel items and then total goes back below $50)...

I actually have an individual Transmutate on order that was my last official Premium free shipping order made just before the free Premium membership they gave in Feb 2018 finally ran out. So I'm keeping that one out of silliness since it qualifies all on its own.

I did have to play musical orders with Tricranius (see above), but Transmutate has been my goto free shipping add on then cancel bot from Pulse. At least that is until she is a little closer to shipping, then I'll choose someone with a date further back.

o.supreme wrote:Any order over $50 will get you free shipping. But I think TF-fan (like me), may have had Transmute on a separate order by itself which didn't have free shipping. Combining them both together gets that done, and cancelling the previous order eliminates the extra shipping charge on another order.

If you order 2 Artfires in a single order just to put it over $50, then later cancel one, I'm not sure if the Free Shipping will still apply (The same could be said for any multi-item order where you cancel items and then total goes back below $50)...

From my experience so far, once the order is made with free shipping the shipping never changes regardless of what is canceled.

aronjlove wrote:From my experience so far, once the order is made with free shipping the shipping never changes regardless of what is canceled.

Oh good to know. I'll keep that in mind.

What happens if you combine preorders for two items schedule for different release times? Will they ship them separately upon each release date, or will they wait to ship the first one until the second one comes in?

And how do they go about charging for the two items set to be released on different dates? Wait until the second one comes into to charge for both, or charge them separately as each comes in?

Sabrblade wrote:What happens if you combine preorders for two items schedule for different release times? Will they ship them separately upon each release date, or will they wait to ship the first one until the second one comes in?

Items ship individually as they are released.

Sabrblade wrote:And how do they go about charging for the two items set to be released on different dates? Wait until the second one comes into to charge for both, or charge them separately as each comes in?

items are charged as they ship, usually a couple of days prior to actual pickup by Fedex.

He's been an open "secret" for a while now, having had pictures leaked since at least last week. But now, Artfire has been officially revealed! Thanks to Hasbro for the information and pictures. Artfire was a Japanese-exclusive Targetmaster who came with his partner Nightstick, in the Headmasters toyline. Just as he did then, Artfire is due to be released in the Generations Selects line with Nightstick, in late summer/early fall.

Transformers: Generations Selects Voyager WFC-GS26 Artfire and Nightstick

(Ages 8 and Up / Approx. Retail Price: $34.99 / Available: September 1, 2021)

This ARTFIRE figure is inspired by the original 1987 TARGETMASTER figure and comes with his TARGETMASTER partner, NIGHTSTICK, like in the original release. Fans can attach the blast effects to the NIGHTSTICK figure in blaster mode, and the ARTFIRE firetruck mode features an extendable ladder that can be ratcheted to different angles. The WFC-GS26 Voyager ARTFIRE figure stands at 7 inches tall, converts from robot mode to firetruck mode in 18 steps, and comes with shoulder blaster, blaster and 2 removable fire hose accessories, plus 4 blast effects.

 

Fans can take their TRANSFORMERS figure collections to the next level with Generations Selects, a fan-dedicated line of figures featuring fan-favorite, special edition characters you can’t find in the main line (each sold separately, subject to availability). Available at most major toy retailers and for pre-order on Entertainment Earth beginning May 25, 2021 at 1PM ET

Preorders are live and available at our usual site sponsors, so get your order in for Artfire today! Are you excited to add him to your collection? Let us know what you think below!

Got to love when the PR people don't remember their own previous releases, such as about a price increase, and so release a PR piece that is already incorrect as they don't adjust the price.

And because of the price I am not certain I will get Artfire as I already have Grapple and Inferno and my connection to this character is pretty close to non-existent.

Nemesis Primal wrote:Yay, Artfire, an interesting one from this mold finally! I wasn't expecting him to come with his Targetmaster, so the fact that he does is a welcome surprise even if I'm not that attached to him having to have it. Getting blast effects with him is certainly a nice bonus. This is probably a decent indication he may be available on Friday, I would HOPE finally as a return to Selects actually being immediately in stock again like they use to be but he'll probably be yet another preorder for October/November since that's all that happens these days. Cool to see him nonetheless.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Wait, how is artfire "lazy" when inferno has no deco, he's just a red robot

Some people expect Super Megatron levels of "repainting" each times I guess?

To some, redecos of any kind are "lazy" because "We could have gotten another character in a whole new mold instead!"

They said that they find Hauler to be a good repaint but not Artfire, so I'm assuming their issue is that Artfire is still partially the same color as Inferno...but saying the only use of the mold who isn't just one solid color is lazy is still a weird take.

Oh c'mon man! You can't paint 1 part of a figure a different color & say "Hey look! I just made a totally new character!"

I mean, seriously! What if I took a Megatron figure & painted his arm pink & posted it in the customs forum? And then tried to pass it off as a totally new character? Or if I took an Arcee figure & painted her crotch yellow? You would say that I need to have my head examined. But because they made Artfire "official", that changes everything. Now it's somehow different. And now you're eager to blow money on another Inferno figure. If Artfire didn't exist & I painted Inferno's chest white & tried to change his name, you'd laugh at me & say I was crazy.

Hauler can pass for a different character. Or at the very least, a G2 or Shattered Glass Grapple. Artfire just looks like Inferno. Except now he's wearing some kind of combat vest.

Buster & Hydra are 2 more examples of extremely "LAZY" characters. No thought went into them at all. Just another cash grab. Change the color of a couple bits & trick the fans into buying the same figure twice. Easy money!

And don't even get me started on G2 Fireflight. Worst "repaint" ever! But at least in his case, they weren't trying to change him into a new character.

But do what you want. It's your money. But I sure as hell won't be wasting my money on "Combat Vest Inferno". Instead of buying Inferno again, that's $40 I can put towards something new like The Ark.

I didn't waste my money on those lazy-ass, cash-grab, Netfix repaints either. Some people can't see when they're being played. Hasbro has all these stupid little tricks to get people to buy the same figure 2 or 3 times.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:TlDr: repaints, ugh...

Should I point out the Seekers armada?

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:TlDr: repaints, ugh...

Should I point out the Seekers armada?

The seekers aren't all simply Starscream with 1 little piece painted in a different color.

Thundercracker & Skywarp don't look anything like Starscream. Artfire looks almost exactly like Inferno.

Buster & Hydra look almost identical to Darkwing & Dreadwind. = LAZY!

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:TlDr: repaints, ugh...

Should I point out the Seekers armada?

The seekers aren't all simply Starscream with 1 little piece painted in a different color.

Thundercracker & Skywarp don't look anything like Starscream. Artfire looks almost exactly like Inferno.

Buster & Hydra look almost identical to Darkwing & Dreadwind. = LAZY!

Skywarp v Hotlink?

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:TlDr: repaints, ugh...

Should I point out the Seekers armada?

The seekers aren't all simply Starscream with 1 little piece painted in a different color.

Thundercracker & Skywarp don't look anything like Starscream. Artfire looks almost exactly like Inferno.

Buster & Hydra look almost identical to Darkwing & Dreadwind. = LAZY!

Skywarp v Hotlink?

Thundercracker v Ion Storm?

Sabrblade wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:TlDr: repaints, ugh...

Should I point out the Seekers armada?

The seekers aren't all simply Starscream with 1 little piece painted in a different color.

Thundercracker & Skywarp don't look anything like Starscream. Artfire looks almost exactly like Inferno.

Buster & Hydra look almost identical to Darkwing & Dreadwind. = LAZY!

Skywarp v Hotlink?

Thundercracker v Ion Storm?

Sparkless Seeker v Acid Storm? -the real one not that neon mess in the recent 3 pack

aronjlove wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:What happens if you combine preorders for two items schedule for different release times? Will they ship them separately upon each release date, or will they wait to ship the first one until the second one comes in?

Items ship individually as they are released.

Sabrblade wrote:And how do they go about charging for the two items set to be released on different dates? Wait until the second one comes into to charge for both, or charge them separately as each comes in?

items are charged as they ship, usually a couple of days prior to actual pickup by Fedex.

I'll just add onto/clarify this, as someone who has used pulse near exclusively since launch. With the current setup they have, the sequence is as follows (billing information assumes free shipping and $USD, as that's what I can speak to using on both counts):

-When the warehouse receives a shipment, each individual item has its tax-inclusive cost charged separately. (So if you had 3 pre-price-hike deluxes, your bank account would receive 3 separate charges of $21.49)

-Over the course of ~1 week, those items will be processed and boxed, and any items from the same order will be put in the same box. (If you ordered Airazor and Huffer in order #XXXX, and Ractonite in order #XXXY, Airazor and Huffer would be in one box, Ractonite in a second.) From there, they await fedex pickup, and from there delivery.

-If another shipment arrives while the first one is still being processed, it will be processed separately, even if the first one hasn't been boxed yet. (If Dinobot and Kingdom UM from order #XXXX arrived 2 days after the deluxes, they would be shipped in a third box.)


It used to be worse. Prior to ~this time last year, if order #XXXX consisted of 2 in-stock items and 6 preorders with free shipping, it would "cancel" #XXXXX and autopopulate orders #XXXX-A, #XXXX-B, ... #XXXX-G, with -A being the 2 in-stocks shipped together with free shipping, and B-G each consisting of a single preorder with free shipping. These would each be sent in a separate box, even if they were from the same case assortment. The current system is a much appreciated improvement.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote: Oh c'mon man! You can't paint 1 part of a figure a different color & say "Hey look! I just made a totally new character!"

I mean, seriously! What if I took a Megatron figure & painted his arm pink & posted it in the customs forum? And then tried to pass it off as a totally new character? Or if I took an Arcee figure & painted her crotch yellow? You would say that I need to have my head examined.

Maybe not that bluntly, but yes.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:But because they made Artfire "official", that changes everything. Now it's somehow different.

Well by comparing a picture of Kingdom Inferno side-by-side to these shots of Selects Artfire, I see at least 10 differently colored parts, in addition to parts that are the same but have actual details picked out on them in a secondary color now, that seems a lot more substantial to me than your claim that his only difference is a white chest. The fact that he is an actual character with a bio and some publication history helps, but it is nowhere close to the only reason.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:And now you're eager to blow money on another Inferno figure.

Incorrect. I'm eager to "blow money" on Artfire since I've been waiting on him since he first leaked as an upcoming Selects figure months ago, whereas I never BOUGHT Inferno because I have no interest in him as a boring character with a boring deco and because he's the WRONG Inferno. Artfire will be my first purchase of this mold, thanks for assuming otherwise.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Buster & Hydra are 2 more examples of extremely "LAZY" characters. No thought went into them at all. Just another cash grab. Change the color of a couple bits & trick the fans into buying the same figure twice. Easy money!

You realize Buster and Hydra only exist because they were the only versions of the molds sold by Takara, right? There was no "gotcha" to try to get people to buy the same figure twice by changing one color, the people who had Buster and Hydra available to them had them available INSTEAD of Dreadwind and Darkwing. The only way anyone would have both duos would be if they were genuinely interested enough to import whichever one they couldn't get.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Nemesis Reformatted wrote: Oh c'mon man! You can't paint 1 part of a figure a different color & say "Hey look! I just made a totally new character!"

I mean, seriously! What if I took a Megatron figure & painted his arm pink & posted it in the customs forum? And then tried to pass it off as a totally new character? Or if I took an Arcee figure & painted her crotch yellow? You would say that I need to have my head examined.

Maybe not that bluntly, but yes.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:But because they made Artfire "official", that changes everything. Now it's somehow different.

Well by comparing a picture of Kingdom Inferno side-by-side to these shots of Selects Artfire, I see at least 10 differently colored parts, in addition to parts that are the same but have actual details picked out on them in a secondary color now, that seems a lot more substantial to me than your claim that his only difference is a white chest. The fact that he is an actual character with a bio and some publication history helps, but it is nowhere close to the only reason.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:And now you're eager to blow money on another Inferno figure.

Incorrect. I'm eager to "blow money" on Artfire since I've been waiting on him since he first leaked as an upcoming Selects figure months ago, whereas I never BOUGHT Inferno because I have no interest in him as a boring character with a boring deco and because he's the WRONG Inferno. Artfire will be my first purchase of this mold, thanks for assuming otherwise.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Buster & Hydra are 2 more examples of extremely "LAZY" characters. No thought went into them at all. Just another cash grab. Change the color of a couple bits & trick the fans into buying the same figure twice. Easy money!

You realize Buster and Hydra only exist because they were the only versions of the molds sold by Takara, right? There was no "gotcha" to try to get people to buy the same figure twice by changing one color, the people who had Buster and Hydra available to them had them available INSTEAD of Dreadwind and Darkwing. The only way anyone would have both duos would be if they were genuinely interested enough to import whichever one they couldn't get.

This reminds me, I'm still shocked we never received a Selects Buster and Hydra. It could have given Starscream a complete combined mode that is nice and symmetrical like Orthia.

Nemesis Primal wins!