Transformers: The Last Knight Toys Armor Up Changers Announced

Could it be possible that the Premier Editions do not count towards the main line? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Could it be possible that the Premier Editions do not count towards the main line? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

I guess that depends on how you define counting. The new Premier molds will most certainly be in the same style as the rest of the new figures in the line, but the packaging for the main line will probably be closer to the traditional stuff. I'm thinking we'll see the Deluxe Premier stuff officially announced just before Toy Fair (on Facebook or a random online magazine as they've done in the past) with the real line being previewed at the show.

What I want to know is if they'll still release Barricade in the main line? There's nothing particularly exceptional about his paint, articulation, or transformation from what we can see. Doesn't seem like it would be the same case as Prime First Edition versus the simpler main line. Since the Premier line will probably cost more it would be nice to have a cheaper alternative.

Emerje

No leader class? I wonder why. Is it because Hasbro has placed budget cuts for the TLK toylike, or because Hasbro has placed most of its budget on role-playing helmets and simple One-Step and Three-Step Changers?

To those wondering about the Premier Editions, this is just the new name for Movie Generations, now that the Generations Prime Wars line will continue concurrently with the movie figures. People are misreading 'Premier' as 'premiere' and assuming they're a kind of first edition. There are listing for figures using code names of Amazon.com that are labelled 'Gen', but on Amazon.ca the same listings are labelled 'Pre'. Also when Shadow Spark Optimus and MPM Bumblebee were revealed at the event in Hong Kong the Hasbro marketing rep stated that Premier Edition is the 'movie accurate' line.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Could it be possible that the Premier Editions do not count towards the main line? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

They count, for sure. That first wave we found matches up with the listings of the mainline we found on amazon a month ago, with the first wave being 4 characters where one is Bumblebee.

I have no clue why they have to bother with the edition conotation, especially sicne the paint isnt premium and the name reffers more to the fact that these are released first instead of how they have superior quality.

OptimalOptimus2 wrote:No leader class? I wonder why. Is it because Hasbro has placed budget cuts for the TLK toylike, or because Hasbro has placed most of its budget on role-playing helmets and simple One-Step and Three-Step Changers?

Maye they saw that the leader class doesnt sell too well and chose to instead concentrate on items that sold better and have better margins.

OptimalOptimus2 wrote:No leader class? I wonder why. Is it because Hasbro has placed budget cuts for the TLK toylike, or because Hasbro has placed most of its budget on role-playing helmets and simple One-Step and Three-Step Changers?

There will be Leader figures. Shadow Spark Optimus is Asia exclusive, but from previous info http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/the-last-knight-figure-listings.1096474/page-4#post-14238517, there will be others. No idea if they'll be exclusives or repaints only. Remember, this is info regarding Portugal only. On Amazon there are 12 deluxes and 6 Voyagers listed, so already more than's described here.

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Could it be possible that the Premier Editions do not count towards the main line? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

They count, for sure. That first wave we found matches up with the listings of the mainline we found on amazon a month ago, with the first wave being 4 characters where one is Bumblebee.

I have no clue why they have to bother with the edition conotation, especially sicne the paint isnt premium and the name reffers more to the fact that these are released first instead of how they have superior quality.

OptimalOptimus2 wrote:No leader class? I wonder why. Is it because Hasbro has placed budget cuts for the TLK toylike, or because Hasbro has placed most of its budget on role-playing helmets and simple One-Step and Three-Step Changers?

Maye they saw that the leader class doesnt sell too well and chose to instead concentrate on items that sold better and have better margins.

See my previous comment re it being Premier and not Premiere, and how it's the replacement for Movie Generations. Yeah, they're definitely not Platinum Edition quality but I'm guessing the label is used to distinguish the 'traditional' line from the simpler figures and encourage collectors.

Definition of premier
1 : first in position, rank, or importance
2 : first in time : earliest

Definition of premiere
: premier
Origin and Etymology of premiere
alteration of 'premier'

(from websters online dictionary)

So what distinction are we trying to draw here if the word means "First" that is all I can really infer from it.

As has been previously implied there is nothing about these $20.00 deluxes that screams platinium or premium quality here. they seem to simply be out first.

I suppose someone could be using the word due to the movie connotation of film premieres

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But i'm still not sure if the first 4 or 6 deluxes will be boxed then they will change to carded toys - or if the whole line looks like this.

I'll tell you right now i'm not buying that repaint Bumblebee for £15.00 let alone for £20.00 I'm happy to buy a darker toned Slash or The dread or barry for £12.00 to £15.00 if I'm feeling the need to buy something in a few months.

But frankly It would be a better use of my money to spend that money on Takara movie toys. (especially Starscream and Ratchet) not to mention a lot is happening soon in 3rd party and premium-KO's that are a better bang for my buck.

But i'm fond of barry so I'll likely get him as soon as is reasonable.

I do wish they'd reissued dlx Soundwave though as he's a tricky fella to get in deluxe from - I can understand why they'd not do Dlx leadfoot due to expense of renewing the NASCAR licence - and he is supposed to be getting KO'd soon anyway in his unreleased sponsored deco to boot- so that is less of an issue.

I dont even know why anyone would buy that bumblebee if they already have a previous BB using the ROTF design since that is basically what this one is going back to.

RAR wrote:Definition of premier
1 : first in position, rank, or importance
2 : first in time : earliest

Definition of premiere
: premier
Origin and Etymology of premiere
alteration of 'premier'

(from websters online dictionary)

So what distinction are we trying to draw here if the word means "First" that is all I can really infer from it.

As has been previously implied there is nothing about these $20.00 deluxes that screams platinium or premium quality here. they seem to simply be out first.

I suppose someone could be using the word due to the movie connotation of film premieres

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But i'm still not sure if the first 4 or 6 deluxes will be boxed then they will change to carded toys - or if the whole line looks like this.

I'll tell you right now i'm not buying that repaint Bumblebee for £15.00 let alone for £20.00 I'm happy to buy a darker toned Slash or The dread or barry for £12.00 to £15.00 if I'm feeling the need to buy something in a few months.

But frankly It would be a better use of my money to spend that money on Takara movie toys. (especially Starscream and Ratchet) not to mention a lot is happening soon in 3rd party and premium-KO's that are a better bang for my buck.

But i'm fond of barry so I'll likely get him as soon as is reasonable.

I do wish they'd reissued dlx Soundwave though as he's a tricky fella to get in deluxe from - I can understand why they'd not do Dlx leadfoot due to expense of renewing the NASCAR licence - and he is supposed to be getting KO'd soon anyway in his unreleased sponsored deco to boot- so that is less of an issue.

There are quite a few meanings for premier, and I'm guessing the ones Hasbro are going with are 'top-tier', 'highest', 'second to none' and of course 'prime'. It means 'first' but in the sense of rank or status etc. rather than first chronologically. Premier and premiere did originate from the same word, but they've gained slightly different uses. Kind of how skirt and shirt came for the same Norse word. The hotel chain Premier Inn isn't claiming to be the first ever hotels, but rather the best; the Premier League is the the football league for the top tier clubs.

Obviously Hasbro is really exaggerating the quality here, but I suppose compared to the one steps these are the best.

premier
ˈprɛmɪə,ˈpriːmɪə/
adjective
adjective: premier
1.
first in importance, order, or position; leading.
"Germany's premier rock band"
synonyms: leading, foremost, chief, principal, head, top-ranking, top, top-tier, prime, primary, first, highest, second to none, pre-eminent, main, senior, outstanding, master; More
ranking;
informaltop-notch, crack
"one of Britain's premier chefs"
of earliest creation.
"he holds the premier barony in the UK—created in 1269"
noun
noun: premier; plural noun: premiers
1.
a prime minister or other head of government.
synonyms: head of government, prime minister, PM, president, chief minister, chancellor
"the Italian premier"
(in Australia and Canada) the chief minister of a government of a state or province.

I can't see they'd be boxing the first wave of deluxes but not the rest. I'm guessing they're doing that to further distinguish them from the simpler figures. The AOE deluxes and power battlers got very easily mixed up on the pegs.

Galva Prime wrote:
Obviously Hasbro is really exaggerating the quality here, but I suppose compared to the one steps these are the best.

Oh I get it now, its to distinguish from other more simple figures. That makes sense since it wasnt always obvious with AOE (like Strafe).

Thanks!

This depresses me.

Galva Prime wrote:To those wondering about the Premier Editions, this is just the new name for Movie Generations, now that the Generations Prime Wars line will continue concurrently with the movie figures.

That can't be the actual reasoning since Generations Age of Extinction ran concurrently with Generations Thrilling 30 in 2014. More likely they're just trying to avoid any possible retailer confusion this time around since it was a bad idea already the last time.

Emerje

I have this horrible thought despite the sales figures showing the "Generations" line is pretty popular that they might throw all 3 other mainline under the bus for what seems to be a line of partial repaints.

The really tragic thing is they had a real chance to redeem themselves here with something like a new mould really good 1970's Bumblebee Deluxe.

I'm frankly kind of perplexed what they are going to put in the "Legends" class movie toy releases.

Squeeks certainly - but what else ?

Now if it was me I'd be using the excuse of the 10th Anniversary and making smaller toys of Wheelie, Brains, Igor, Frenzy, The Kitchen Crew, even Alice.

For example they never made a Bunny-bot toy or Frenzy as a Mobile phone.

If they just make the same characters as usual in a smaller size I really won't see the point of that.

It would be fine for a gimic subline for example the scout size RID toys with Minicons and armour if they made something like that only with Movie characters - I'd be up for that.

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Anyone got any ideas what they might do with the Legends class (movie) line? as I'm perplexed.

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It says "Autobots Stobotua", or just "Autobots Autobots" with one upside down.

RAR wrote:Anyone got any ideas what they might do with the Legends class (movie) line? as I'm perplexed.

I imagine they'll just pad it with small versions of the movie cast just like every Legends (and Cyberverse) line before it. This isn't going to be like the Scout class from the earlier movies, this is going to blend a lot of different sized characters into one line.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

RAR wrote:Anyone got any ideas what they might do with the Legends class (movie) line? as I'm perplexed.

I imagine they'll just pad it with small versions of the movie cast just like every Legends (and Cyberverse) line before it. This isn't going to be like the Scout class from the earlier movies, this is going to blend a lot of different sized characters into one line.

Emerje

Yes that would make total sense for "Legion" class but for "Legends" not so much.

I'd rather have Legions in some case as the scale would make more sense - but Legion Dinobot would be nice - but then so would Legends.

If they did both sizes and treated the Legends class like Cyberverse Commander Class then I'm a happy pussycat (so to speak) .

I hope they play catch up with all the didn't do for AOE though with the Legions (if there is legions that are not just reissues/repaints)

RAR wrote:

Emerje wrote:

RAR wrote:Anyone got any ideas what they might do with the Legends class (movie) line? as I'm perplexed.

I imagine they'll just pad it with small versions of the movie cast just like every Legends (and Cyberverse) line before it. This isn't going to be like the Scout class from the earlier movies, this is going to blend a lot of different sized characters into one line.

Emerje

Yes that would make total sense for "Legion" class but for "Legends" not so much.

Since when does scale ever make sense in Transformers. After all the first two post-Legion Legends were Optimus and Bumblebee at the very same size. I don't really see any reason for that to change now.

Emerje

Wondering if premier is more along the lines of Preview figs for 2007 flick or 1st editions for prime

Emerje wrote:

RAR wrote:

Emerje wrote:

RAR wrote:Anyone got any ideas what they might do with the Legends class (movie) line? as I'm perplexed.

I imagine they'll just pad it with small versions of the movie cast just like every Legends (and Cyberverse) line before it. This isn't going to be like the Scout class from the earlier movies, this is going to blend a lot of different sized characters into one line.

Emerje

Yes that would make total sense for "Legion" class but for "Legends" not so much.

Since when does scale ever make sense in Transformers. After all the first two post-Legion Legends were Optimus and Bumblebee at the very same size. I don't really see any reason for that to change now.

Emerje

It's going to be the whole "Legends" vs. "Legions" debate all over again, huh?

The worst part is while Legion/Pre-DotM Legends Class is clearly defined as having small versions of characters of its main line, Legends Class isn't as clear cut, because for the most part it has the smaller characters of any given line, with smaller versions of larger characters mixed in. Then again, when it comes to dedicated molds the latter has been sporadic:

- Optimus Prime
- Starscream
- Megatron
- Gnaw (come on, at their current size they're little ankle biters!)

I don't know if I should count the Insecticons, as they're stated to be the size of their Diaclone toys. And Bumblebee is just a weird case feeling at home in both Deluxe and Legends.

SkyWarpt wrote::-? Wondering if premier is more along the lines of Preview figs for 2007 flick or 1st editions for prime

Apples and oranges: the "Preview" figures for 2007 and RotF were normal figures in a special first wave, while Prime 1st Edition had Generation-style designs, which was rendered moot for all purposes with Prime Robots in Disguise.

As explained before, "Premier" (not "premiere" as in "first") is mostly likely the name for the Generations-styled toys. It being called out on the packaging makes it easier to identify them from simpler toys of similar size. I still remember the stockers getting confused between Gen. Deluxe Class and the similarly-sized Power Battlers during AoE.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Emerje wrote:

RAR wrote:

Emerje wrote:

RAR wrote:Anyone got any ideas what they might do with the Legends class (movie) line? as I'm perplexed.

I imagine they'll just pad it with small versions of the movie cast just like every Legends (and Cyberverse) line before it. This isn't going to be like the Scout class from the earlier movies, this is going to blend a lot of different sized characters into one line.

Emerje

Yes that would make total sense for "Legion" class but for "Legends" not so much.

Since when does scale ever make sense in Transformers. After all the first two post-Legion Legends were Optimus and Bumblebee at the very same size. I don't really see any reason for that to change now.

Emerje

It's going to be the whole "Legends" vs. "Legions" debate all over again, huh?

The worst part is while Legion/Pre-DotM Legends Class is clearly defined as having small versions of characters of its main line, Legends Class isn't as clear cut, because for the most part it has the smaller characters of any given line, with smaller versions of larger characters mixed in. Then again, when it comes to dedicated molds the latter has been sporadic:

- Optimus Prime
- Starscream
- Megatron
- Gnaw (come on, at their current size they're little ankle biters!)

I don't know if I should count the Insecticons, as they're stated to be the size of their Diaclone toys. And Bumblebee is just a weird case feeling at home in both Deluxe and Legends.

Also Shockwave; even though there's an obvious reason why he was that scale in the first place.

Kurona wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Emerje wrote:

RAR wrote:

Emerje wrote:

RAR wrote:Anyone got any ideas what they might do with the Legends class (movie) line? as I'm perplexed.

I imagine they'll just pad it with small versions of the movie cast just like every Legends (and Cyberverse) line before it. This isn't going to be like the Scout class from the earlier movies, this is going to blend a lot of different sized characters into one line.

Emerje

Yes that would make total sense for "Legion" class but for "Legends" not so much.

Since when does scale ever make sense in Transformers. After all the first two post-Legion Legends were Optimus and Bumblebee at the very same size. I don't really see any reason for that to change now.

Emerje

It's going to be the whole "Legends" vs. "Legions" debate all over again, huh?

The worst part is while Legion/Pre-DotM Legends Class is clearly defined as having small versions of characters of its main line, Legends Class isn't as clear cut, because for the most part it has the smaller characters of any given line, with smaller versions of larger characters mixed in. Then again, when it comes to dedicated molds the latter has been sporadic:

- Optimus Prime
- Starscream
- Megatron
- Gnaw (come on, at their current size they're little ankle biters!)

I don't know if I should count the Insecticons, as they're stated to be the size of their Diaclone toys. And Bumblebee is just a weird case feeling at home in both Deluxe and Legends.

Also Shockwave; even though there's an obvious reason why he was that scale in the first place.

Let's not forget Hot Rod as well, for the same reason as Shockwave. Interestingly he's the only one of the larger characters that is a repaint of one of the smaller characters (while there are a lot of examples of the opposite).

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Kurona wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Emerje wrote:

RAR wrote:

Emerje wrote:

RAR wrote:Anyone got any ideas what they might do with the Legends class (movie) line? as I'm perplexed.

I imagine they'll just pad it with small versions of the movie cast just like every Legends (and Cyberverse) line before it. This isn't going to be like the Scout class from the earlier movies, this is going to blend a lot of different sized characters into one line.

Emerje

Yes that would make total sense for "Legion" class but for "Legends" not so much.

Since when does scale ever make sense in Transformers. After all the first two post-Legion Legends were Optimus and Bumblebee at the very same size. I don't really see any reason for that to change now.

Emerje

It's going to be the whole "Legends" vs. "Legions" debate all over again, huh?

The worst part is while Legion/Pre-DotM Legends Class is clearly defined as having small versions of characters of its main line, Legends Class isn't as clear cut, because for the most part it has the smaller characters of any given line, with smaller versions of larger characters mixed in. Then again, when it comes to dedicated molds the latter has been sporadic:

- Optimus Prime
- Starscream
- Megatron
- Gnaw (come on, at their current size they're little ankle biters!)

I don't know if I should count the Insecticons, as they're stated to be the size of their Diaclone toys. And Bumblebee is just a weird case feeling at home in both Deluxe and Legends.

Also Shockwave; even though there's an obvious reason why he was that scale in the first place.

Let's not forget Hot Rod as well, for the same reason as Shockwave. Interestingly he's the only one of the larger characters that is a repaint of one of the smaller characters (while there are a lot of examples of the opposite).

Emerje

They did specify dedicated molds, so...

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Could it be possible that the Premier Editions do not count towards the main line? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Well, it is premier edition. I'd assume that it would at least get a name change after the movie gets released.

SillySpringer wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Could it be possible that the Premier Editions do not count towards the main line? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Well, it is premier edition. I'd assume that it would at least get a name change after the movie gets released.

Not "Premiere" as in first. It's "Premier" as in "Elite". One letter makes all the difference.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Could it be possible that the Premier Editions do not count towards the main line? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Well, it is premier edition. I'd assume that it would at least get a name change after the movie gets released.

Not "Premiere" as in first. It's "Premier" as in "Elite". One letter makes all the difference.

Hmm, well, it seems to me that Hasbro wouldn't want to confuse us like that, but whatever. I kinda hope it's just a play on words.

It also is not just "premier movie line" or something like that, but rather "premier edition". The word "edition" also makes me think this is not for the whole line. But who knows.

SillySpringer wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Could it be possible that the Premier Editions do not count towards the main line? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Well, it is premier edition. I'd assume that it would at least get a name change after the movie gets released.

Not "Premiere" as in first. It's "Premier" as in "Elite". One letter makes all the difference.

Hmm, well, it seems to me that Hasbro wouldn't want to confuse us like that, but whatever. I kinda hope it's just a play on words.

It also is not just "premier movie line" or something like that, but rather "premier edition". The word "edition" also makes me think this is not for the whole line. But who knows.

There's nothing really confusing about that difference, unless you have no knowledge the two words existing, or of any other language. Which might be the case for a lot of people, I realise, typing this, so fair enough.

As for the latter point, the 'edition' monicker may indicate a 'limited run' yes. But we'll see in a couple of weeks, with Toy Fair coming up.

Kurona wrote:They did specify dedicated molds, so...

And? I was only pointing him out as an oddity among the "larger" characters. Of all of them he's the only one that isn't a dedicated mold.

Emerje

SillySpringer wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Could it be possible that the Premier Editions do not count towards the main line? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Well, it is premier edition. I'd assume that it would at least get a name change after the movie gets released.

Not "Premiere" as in first. It's "Premier" as in "Elite". One letter makes all the difference.

Hmm, well, it seems to me that Hasbro wouldn't want to confuse us like that, but whatever. I kinda hope it's just a play on words.

It also is not just "premier movie line" or something like that, but rather "premier edition". The word "edition" also makes me think this is not for the whole line. But who knows.

I would wager its going to be similar to what they did with the Premium Edition figures for the 2007 Movie Line. Where certain main line figures got "premium" paint jobs.

2007 Barricade (regular)


2007 Barricade (Premium Edition)


2007 Ironhide (regular)


2007 Ironhide (Premium Edition)

Oh poor Barry what did the bad man do to you !!!

So basically... wait for the Recon version?

Overcracker wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:It also is not just "premier movie line" or something like that, but rather "premier edition". The word "edition" also makes me think this is not for the whole line. But who knows.

I would wager its going to be similar to what they did with the Premium Edition figures for the 2007 Movie Line. Where certain main line figures got "premium" paint jobs.

Problem is, could you really picture these figures with less paint? If this is the premium version then how do they drop from there?

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:It also is not just "premier movie line" or something like that, but rather "premier edition". The word "edition" also makes me think this is not for the whole line. But who knows.

I would wager its going to be similar to what they did with the Premium Edition figures for the 2007 Movie Line. Where certain main line figures got "premium" paint jobs.

Problem is, could you really picture these figures with less paint? If this is the premium version then how do they drop from there?

Emerje

There's always grey plastic....

...Or maybe they're just premier editions, or versions, of characters, when compared to the rest of the line that would have simpler transformations, like One-Steps and Power Battlers... Compare with the Generations-like Prime First Edition vs. the simpler and gimmicky Prime RiD.

Kurona wrote:So basically... wait for the Recon version?

He couldn't stop a pig in a passage.

Thanks to the Transformers Peru Facebook page, we have some new images of the upcoming Premier Edition Voyager class Grimlock! Grimlock is a new gray and silver deco of his Voyager Age of Extinction figure, and can be seen in-box here. Also included are some shots of Bumblebee and Berserker, and if one looks closely, they will see Slash pictures on Bumblebee's box. Check out the images below, and let us know what you think in the comments section below!

Not to mention Two-step mega Bumblebee and Legend/legion Bumblebee

That would be the DotM Cyberverse Legion Class Bumblebee, if I'm not mistaken. So in short with a penchant for drawing conclusions, half of the line will be redecos: 2 out of the 4 Deluxes, and 1 out of 2 Voyagers.

Decepticon Berserker??? Now that sounds interesting.

MGrotusque wrote:Decepticon Berserker??? Now that sounds interesting.

Skip back a few pages and you will see more pics of that toy and of Barricade and others too.

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Slash seems like a nice enough deco.

As I have said before what I'd like to see is the toys that were missing from the previous boxed sets to be made in the appropriate colours to fill in some of those gaps. So that would be things like a G1 deco Slash and Scorn for example.

If you go pocking about on the internet you can see the pre-production art for Slash and they provide a number of colour options since at one point there was going to be multiple Slash dinos as minions of Scorn if each was a slightly different deco that would have been nice to see.

$20.00 is a bit to expensive to make so many frivolous repaints though.

RAR wrote:$20.00 is a bit to expensive to make so many frivolous repaints though.

Especially as there's nothing premium about them, this way you just pay top-dollar to get hideously un(/under)painted figures sooner

Even the box art for that Bumblebee isn't based on his new mode, it's a straight copy of his DOTM form. Perhaps that'll be his mode early in the movie?
My hope may be restored for a better Bumblebee figure down the road

Yeah, the whole "Hey, Bumblebee is old again" thing still confuses me. Does he like his old mode more or something? Since this is all about the "Knights" of Cybertron, why wouldn't he keep his more sleek, knight-like mode?

Unless that's exactly what it is! They want to subliminally define who's a knight and who's not by their robot mode, therefore, so as not to get people confused, they took Bumblebee back to his old look so he's not sleek and knight-like!

This concludes my conversation with myself.

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:
My hope may be restored for a better Bumblebee figure down the road

There will always be hope for a better (or at least another) Bumblebee figure down the road. In every TF line. Forever.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:...Or maybe they're just premier editions, or versions, of characters, when compared to the rest of the line that would have simpler transformations, like One-Steps and Power Battlers... Compare with the Generations-like Prime First Edition vs. the simpler and gimmicky Prime RiD.

Thats exactly what it is. This picture pretty much sells it:



Notice how there are other Last Knight toys, at the same development stage (finished and ready to ship) and yet they dont have that logo. The only ones with them are the deluxes, voyagers and Leader (Optimus) which were branded as Generations toys in AOE as to distinguish them from the other products for a different age group. Well since they dont want to interupt the generations line this time (as Hasbro stated in an interview), both lines will run concurrently and thus this is just a different name to distinguish these movie figures intended for an "older" audience from both the other generations line and the more kiddie toys. And the word they chose is Premier which is a play on words on the fact that its movie related (premiere) and in a similar vein to the first edition toys of before. The higher price is, as Va'al said, purely capitalism hidden in the shape of a nice box.

One thing to Zelze though, I didnt find most RID Prime toys t be gimicky, many were in the same vein as the first editions, like Wheeljack for instance. And their Optimus and Megatron were as complex as their first edition counterparts. Plus there is no denying which Vehicon toy is better

Overcracker wrote:I would wager its going to be similar to what they did with the Premium Edition figures for the 2007 Movie Line. Where certain main line figures got "premium" paint jobs.

Pretty sure you would lose that bet. There is nothing of these that indicate they are anything close to those aside from a misinterpreted word. These are coming first in the line (unlike the ones you mentioned) and they are coming as part of the standard retail line unveiled already, they are also a mix of new molds and older ones (again, unlike the idea of only being premium versions of existing molds) and lastly these arent in any way premier paint jobs, especially when you compare this bumblebee to the original. The only thing this has in common with the premium line is 5 letters.

In the end, there is 0 evidence at all that this is anything else than just your standard movie line. Toyfair may finally give us more evidence against that but for now there is none.

RAR wrote:Slash seems like a nice enough deco.

And the famous 2016/2017 retrojip continues!

william-james88 wrote:

RAR wrote:Slash seems like a nice enough deco.

And the famous 2016/2017 retrojip continues!

I hadn't even noticed that! That does look nice, I like the color combo, will half to see better pics of him

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

RAR wrote:Slash seems like a nice enough deco.

And the famous 2016/2017 retrojip continues!

I hadn't even noticed that! That does look nice, I like the color combo, will half to see better pics of him

Retrojip?

Also, yeah, Slash looks pretty cool. I missed him the first time around, so i'm super interested in picking him up now.

Bronzewolf wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

RAR wrote:Slash seems like a nice enough deco.

And the famous 2016/2017 retrojip continues!

I hadn't even noticed that! That does look nice, I like the color combo, will half to see better pics of him

Retrojip?

Also, yeah, Slash looks pretty cool. I missed him the first time around, so i'm super interested in picking him up now.

Yeah, shame about the weird thigh-leg ratios and the monkey arms, beast mode looks epic though

Bronzewolf wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

RAR wrote:Slash seems like a nice enough deco.

And the famous 2016/2017 retrojip continues!

I hadn't even noticed that! That does look nice, I like the color combo, will half to see better pics of him

Retrojip?

It means feeling retroactively cheated when you realize that a later release of a figure offers more or something better than the one they first gave you.

Like how this



was revealed after this guy came out



Or how these two were priced the same with the one with way more accessories came out later: