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Comment by frogbat
Jun 14, 2016
mmm might help but I think it'll be hard to beat the uk prices in europe 

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The current rumours are floating around the €200 figure. Which is roughly £160 - the current UK price for online retail - or 224$ USD.
(Though the financial market is currently going bananas, so expect those numbers to change very quickly.)
Comment by Va'al
Jun 14, 2016
frogbat wrote:mmm might help but I think it'll be hard to beat the uk prices in europe
The current rumours are floating around the €200 figure. Which is roughly £160 - the current UK price for online retail - or 224$ USD.
(Though the financial market is currently going bananas, so expect those numbers to change very quickly.)
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Comment by D-Maximal_Primal
Jun 14, 2016
So Australia already got him, and Europe is ready to have him, and here we sit in America still waiting for figures to start shipping out. Shesh!
On another note for the prices: My Toys R Us had combiner wars deluxes for $19.99, and then I was there a few weeks ago and they were charging $23.99 for deluxes and $26.99 for voyagers. But then, at walmart, deluxe prices are still solidly at $14.99. When I bought Superion, Menasor and Defensor limbs on HTS I bought them at $14.99 a piece before any sort of coupon I was using. Even my target is selling them at $14.99. So TRU is junk, don't buy there, and Walmart and Target are good. Entertainment Earth also sells limbs for $64.99 in a set of 4, coming to about $16 a piece.
It is weird though since we are no longer getting the comic (a usual $3-4 value) and the prices went up. That is major jumping the shark
On another note for the prices: My Toys R Us had combiner wars deluxes for $19.99, and then I was there a few weeks ago and they were charging $23.99 for deluxes and $26.99 for voyagers. But then, at walmart, deluxe prices are still solidly at $14.99. When I bought Superion, Menasor and Defensor limbs on HTS I bought them at $14.99 a piece before any sort of coupon I was using. Even my target is selling them at $14.99. So TRU is junk, don't buy there, and Walmart and Target are good. Entertainment Earth also sells limbs for $64.99 in a set of 4, coming to about $16 a piece.
It is weird though since we are no longer getting the comic (a usual $3-4 value) and the prices went up. That is major jumping the shark
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TRU is just about always higher in price than the other big box type outlets, especially on items where the manufacturer's don't set the price. That is all part of their business plan. The flip side is they "usually" have a better selection than the big box stores. It makes sense if you think about it. TRU has to make all their profit off of toys. The other places can better absorb lower margins on toys with sales from other departments, which are typically more profitable than toys.
Comment by TF-fan kev777
Jun 14, 2016
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:So TRU is junk, don't buy there
TRU is just about always higher in price than the other big box type outlets, especially on items where the manufacturer's don't set the price. That is all part of their business plan. The flip side is they "usually" have a better selection than the big box stores. It makes sense if you think about it. TRU has to make all their profit off of toys. The other places can better absorb lower margins on toys with sales from other departments, which are typically more profitable than toys.
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True, but $14.99 to $23.99 for the same combiner limbs is stretching it a little bit though...
Comment by D-Maximal_Primal
Jun 14, 2016
TF-fan kev777 wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:So TRU is junk, don't buy there
TRU is just about always higher in price than the other big box type outlets, especially on items where the manufacturer's don't set the price. That is all part of their business plan. The flip side is they "usually" have a better selection than the big box stores. It makes sense if you think about it. TRU has to make all their profit off of toys. The other places can better absorb lower margins on toys with sales from other departments, which are typically more profitable than toys.
True, but $14.99 to $23.99 for the same combiner limbs is stretching it a little bit though...
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A few things I would like to comment on here just to add to the discussion:
1. The Hasbro street date is actually June 25th for Titans Returns figures in North America. Downshift learnt this from one of his TRU resourse. However, that is the shipping dae which means you have to give it time to reach the store and for the employees to place them. That blows a bit for me though because I never saw the Skylynx wave of limbs in stores. It might be late for Quebec, we just got the latest Legends toys.
2. TRU may be junk in the states, but it is a Godsend in Canada. Of all retailers with direct accounts with hasbro, TRU Canada has sold them the cheapest by far. They also have amazing store policies for returns, rainchecks, pricing, exchanges and the like. And hee they are the best stocked sotres for TFs and they get big ticket items sooner (like all the CW G2 sets). Its too bad you guys cant experience the greatness.
3. The value you give to the comics is a bit trivial. The Comics have very little cost involved. The pic is of the backing board, the inside is all reprinted, I think the only new bit is the bio but even then, that could have been done for the site. The cards that come with TR add to the toy's fiction and are made specifically for the toy. They only come with the toys, as well, and are not derivitive or reuses of other media. So more development cost went into those and thus will probably hold more value later. The price you wrote is what a comic sells for when its hot out of the oven. The 3-4$ price is to pay for the work put in by the artist, writer and every other part. Months later, you can find them in dollar bins (I can). The reprints only have to cover the cost of the paper and ink spent on it, so any value placed above that is very trivial (kinda like 90s O pee chee hockey cards).
Comment by william-james88
Jun 14, 2016
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:So Australia already got him, and Europe is ready to have him, and here we sit in America still waiting for figures to start shipping out. Shesh!
On another note for the prices: My Toys R Us had combiner wars deluxes for $19.99, and then I was there a few weeks ago and they were charging $23.99 for deluxes and $26.99 for voyagers. But then, at walmart, deluxe prices are still solidly at $14.99. When I bought Superion, Menasor and Defensor limbs on HTS I bought them at $14.99 a piece before any sort of coupon I was using. Even my target is selling them at $14.99. So TRU is junk, don't buy there, and Walmart and Target are good. Entertainment Earth also sells limbs for $64.99 in a set of 4, coming to about $16 a piece.
It is weird though since we are no longer getting the comic (a usual $3-4 value) and the prices went up. That is major jumping the shark
A few things I would like to comment on here just to add to the discussion:
1. The Hasbro street date is actually June 25th for Titans Returns figures in North America. Downshift learnt this from one of his TRU resourse. However, that is the shipping dae which means you have to give it time to reach the store and for the employees to place them. That blows a bit for me though because I never saw the Skylynx wave of limbs in stores. It might be late for Quebec, we just got the latest Legends toys.
2. TRU may be junk in the states, but it is a Godsend in Canada. Of all retailers with direct accounts with hasbro, TRU Canada has sold them the cheapest by far. They also have amazing store policies for returns, rainchecks, pricing, exchanges and the like. And hee they are the best stocked sotres for TFs and they get big ticket items sooner (like all the CW G2 sets). Its too bad you guys cant experience the greatness.
3. The value you give to the comics is a bit trivial. The Comics have very little cost involved. The pic is of the backing board, the inside is all reprinted, I think the only new bit is the bio but even then, that could have been done for the site. The cards that come with TR add to the toy's fiction and are made specifically for the toy. They only come with the toys, as well, and are not derivitive or reuses of other media. So more development cost went into those and thus will probably hold more value later. The price you wrote is what a comic sells for when its hot out of the oven. The 3-4$ price is to pay for the work put in by the artist, writer and every other part. Months later, you can find them in dollar bins (I can). The reprints only have to cover the cost of the paper and ink spent on it, so any value placed above that is very trivial (kinda like 90s O pee chee hockey cards).
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Yeah, for me around my area it normally takes about a month to 2 months for items to show up from the time stores online start shipping, with some rare exceptions, and it normally takes a month or so before they start showing up at stores such as HTS, where I usually buy, so I know I have some time. I'm not sure of other peoples situations but that is my predicament.
I need to start being more specific with the whole TRU thing. I keep seeing all the pictures of your TRU's and it makes mine look so sad. They have yet to get past Battle Core Optimus voyager wise and the prices are outrageous. And I'm jealous since my TRU, whether or not that is other TRU's too I do not know, does not have good service. Rain checks aren't a thing there and they are very greedy with prices. I tried to price match the combaticons when they were there for $19.99 a piece with the walmart price for deluxes, which was $14.99, and they said that unless it is the exact item IE if I saw Vortex at walmart for $14.99 and brought proof, they would give me vortex at that price, but they would only price match him, and they won't price match online things either like Walmart.com. It really is sad how different Canada and the US are with some stores
I was considering that the original comics cost $3.99, and I took off about a dollar since they do lack some of the features, but it is still about $3 worth of comic there. I agree that older comics would be sold off cheaper and the price is meaningless, but that's how I had thought of them. Made me feel a little better that I was getting a good toy and a comic for a good price (especially with the spotlights of Trailcutter and Hoist)
Comment by D-Maximal_Primal
Jun 14, 2016
william-james88 wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:So Australia already got him, and Europe is ready to have him, and here we sit in America still waiting for figures to start shipping out. Shesh!
On another note for the prices: My Toys R Us had combiner wars deluxes for $19.99, and then I was there a few weeks ago and they were charging $23.99 for deluxes and $26.99 for voyagers. But then, at walmart, deluxe prices are still solidly at $14.99. When I bought Superion, Menasor and Defensor limbs on HTS I bought them at $14.99 a piece before any sort of coupon I was using. Even my target is selling them at $14.99. So TRU is junk, don't buy there, and Walmart and Target are good. Entertainment Earth also sells limbs for $64.99 in a set of 4, coming to about $16 a piece.
It is weird though since we are no longer getting the comic (a usual $3-4 value) and the prices went up. That is major jumping the shark
A few things I would like to comment on here just to add to the discussion:
1. The Hasbro street date is actually June 25th for Titans Returns figures in North America. Downshift learnt this from one of his TRU resourse. However, that is the shipping date which means you have to give it time to reach the store and for the employees to place them. That blows a bit for me though because I never saw the Skylynx wave of limbs in stores. It might be late for Quebec, we just got the latest Legends toys.
Yeah, for me around my area it normally takes about a month to 2 months for items to show up from the time stores online start shipping, with some rare exceptions, and it normally takes a month or so before they start showing up at stores such as HTS, where I usually buy, so I know I have some time. I'm not sure of other peoples situations but that is my predicament.
william-james88 wrote:2. TRU may be junk in the states, but it is a Godsend in Canada. Of all retailers with direct accounts with hasbro, TRU Canada has sold them the cheapest by far. They also have amazing store policies for returns, rainchecks, pricing, exchanges and the like. And hee they are the best stocked sotres for TFs and they get big ticket items sooner (like all the CW G2 sets). Its too bad you guys cant experience the greatness.
I need to start being more specific with the whole TRU thing. I keep seeing all the pictures of your TRU's and it makes mine look so sad. They have yet to get past Battle Core Optimus voyager wise and the prices are outrageous. And I'm jealous since my TRU, whether or not that is other TRU's too I do not know, does not have good service. Rain checks aren't a thing there and they are very greedy with prices. I tried to price match the combaticons when they were there for $19.99 a piece with the walmart price for deluxes, which was $14.99, and they said that unless it is the exact item IE if I saw Vortex at walmart for $14.99 and brought proof, they would give me vortex at that price, but they would only price match him, and they won't price match online things either like Walmart.com. It really is sad how different Canada and the US are with some stores
william-james88 wrote:3. The value you give to the comics is a bit trivial. The Comics have very little cost involved. The pic is of the backing board, the inside is all reprinted, I think the only new bit is the bio but even then, that could have been done for the site. The cards that come with TR add to the toy's fiction and are made specifically for the toy. They only come with the toys, as well, and are not derivitive or reuses of other media. So more development cost went into those and thus will probably hold more value later. The price you wrote is what a comic sells for when its hot out of the oven. The 3-4$ price is to pay for the work put in by the artist, writer and every other part. Months later, you can find them in dollar bins (I can). The reprints only have to cover the cost of the paper and ink spent on it, so any value placed above that is very trivial (kinda like 90s O pee chee hockey cards).
I was considering that the original comics cost $3.99, and I took off about a dollar since they do lack some of the features, but it is still about $3 worth of comic there. I agree that older comics would be sold off cheaper and the price is meaningless, but that's how I had thought of them. Made me feel a little better that I was getting a good toy and a comic for a good price (especially with the spotlights of Trailcutter and Hoist)
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Comment by Agamemnon
Jun 14, 2016
With Titan Returns, we are generally getting two transforming figures in each package... (#JustifyCosts?) 

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Yeah, the extra engineering is a cost offsetter.
But at the same time, Generations Brainstorm was a very tall and nicely sized voyager with the same gimmick. But that was also a tail-end-of-the-line-one-shot deal, so it makes no real argument either way.
Besides, headmasters are cool. I shall still buy dammit. Megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost
Comment by D-Maximal_Primal
Jun 14, 2016
Agamemnon wrote:With Titan Returns, we are generally getting two transforming figures in each package... (#JustifyCosts?)
Yeah, the extra engineering is a cost offsetter.
But at the same time, Generations Brainstorm was a very tall and nicely sized voyager with the same gimmick. But that was also a tail-end-of-the-line-one-shot deal, so it makes no real argument either way.
Besides, headmasters are cool. I shall still buy dammit. Megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost
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Comment by D-Maximal_Primal
Jun 14, 2016
Thanks to fellow Seibertronian Down_shift we have some information for you regarding Canada's ship date for Titans Return as well as some prices in Canadian currency. Here is what Down_shift had to say:
Just to precise, the June 25th date is a "Ship Date" and in this context, it likely means "date that our distribution centers will send them out to stores", but to which stores, in what quantity, and at what pace is going to be almost entirely unknown. However, with that date being within the next 2 weeks, it is logical to assume that the rest of North America is not far behind. So keep your eyes peeled!
Down_Shift wrote:It's not a sighting, but it is relevant to all of our interests.
I'm 99% sure everyone has seen this stuff before since it' been out there for a while now, but I thought I'd post it again since these are hitting stores shortly.
Legends Class - $12.99 (SKU#789658)
Deluxe Class - $19.99 (SKU#789661)
Voyager Class - $29.99 (SKU#789663)
Leader Class - $59.99 (SKU#789666)
Titan Class - $229.99 (SKU#789669)
Computron Gift Set - $149.95 (SKU#789634)
I checked with a friend at my local TRU and had them run the SKU in their computer (the green and back screen, not the web browser one) and it shows most of them shipping around the 25th, with the exception of Computron because I forgot to check.
Obviously mileage will vary by store and location. But, if you have someone you can chat with at your local TRU run have them run those SKU numbers and it might just give you a time line that you can use to build a plan of attack!
I should specify that they said it could show up as early as the 25th or even the first week of July. Like I said, mileage may vary but I hope this helps with the hunt!
Just to precise, the June 25th date is a "Ship Date" and in this context, it likely means "date that our distribution centers will send them out to stores", but to which stores, in what quantity, and at what pace is going to be almost entirely unknown. However, with that date being within the next 2 weeks, it is logical to assume that the rest of North America is not far behind. So keep your eyes peeled!
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I am right there with you, I would absolutely despise TRU is they were that high. I beleive our more leniant price matching laws are the reason they cant get away with that in Quebec/Canada. They would lose too many sales to Walmart (which is next door to my TRU
). Pretty nuts how that price gap between deluxe and voyager keeps getting smaller.
Yeah, I hear you. I think the reason see no value to them is because they dont come with the international version, which comes with a card instead. So I dont feel I am missing out on anything with the switch. And plus, if they have the same MSRP with or without comic, it means that Hasbro themselves see little value to them and I guess those business notions end up forging my thoughts on their value. But I am sorry for your loss there.
Costs dont need to be justified to me, we are getting these at a huge bargain compared to what people's parents spent in the 80s for their kids.
Here is G1 Hardhead with his old price sticker intact:

Unlike the early G1s, headmasters were all plastic and like most G1, paint apps were minimal and they cost 15.47$. That is the equivalent of $32.58 today, meaning that people's parents had to work the same amount of hours necessary to make $32.58 today to be able to afford that toy back then.
Almost 30 years later, we are now getting a toy of that similar size with modern engineering, a higher parts count, more articulation and more paint apps (with a collector card
) for.... 16-20$. So you only have to work the amount of time it takes to make 20$ instead of 32$ to be able to afford this toy.
Transformer toys have gotten far more affordable than when they originally appeared and we tend not to realize that.
Comment by william-james88
Jun 14, 2016
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:True, but $14.99 to $23.99 for the same combiner limbs is stretching it a little bit though...
I am right there with you, I would absolutely despise TRU is they were that high. I beleive our more leniant price matching laws are the reason they cant get away with that in Quebec/Canada. They would lose too many sales to Walmart (which is next door to my TRU

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:I was considering that the original comics cost $3.99, and I took off about a dollar since they do lack some of the features, but it is still about $3 worth of comic there. I agree that older comics would be sold off cheaper and the price is meaningless, but that's how I had thought of them. Made me feel a little better that I was getting a good toy and a comic for a good price (especially with the spotlights of Trailcutter and Hoist)
Yeah, I hear you. I think the reason see no value to them is because they dont come with the international version, which comes with a card instead. So I dont feel I am missing out on anything with the switch. And plus, if they have the same MSRP with or without comic, it means that Hasbro themselves see little value to them and I guess those business notions end up forging my thoughts on their value. But I am sorry for your loss there.
Agamemnon wrote:With Titan Returns, we are generally getting two transforming figures in each package... (#JustifyCosts?)
Costs dont need to be justified to me, we are getting these at a huge bargain compared to what people's parents spent in the 80s for their kids.
Here is G1 Hardhead with his old price sticker intact:

Unlike the early G1s, headmasters were all plastic and like most G1, paint apps were minimal and they cost 15.47$. That is the equivalent of $32.58 today, meaning that people's parents had to work the same amount of hours necessary to make $32.58 today to be able to afford that toy back then.
Almost 30 years later, we are now getting a toy of that similar size with modern engineering, a higher parts count, more articulation and more paint apps (with a collector card

Transformer toys have gotten far more affordable than when they originally appeared and we tend not to realize that.
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Comment by Ultra Mad
Jun 14, 2016
Hasbro (and Toys R us) have a good sense of humor if they expect me to pay over 200$ for Fort Max. Especially after seeing a few reviews of him online.
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Well that's why it's a choice. If you don't like it don't, buy it. If the reviews don't wow you, don't buy it. If the price doesn't satisfy you than don't buy it. No body is forcing you to do anything.
Comment by Randomhero
Jun 14, 2016
Ultra Mad wrote:Hasbro (and Toys R us) have a good sense of humor if they expect me to pay over 200$ for Fort Max. Especially after seeing a few reviews of him online.
Well that's why it's a choice. If you don't like it don't, buy it. If the reviews don't wow you, don't buy it. If the price doesn't satisfy you than don't buy it. No body is forcing you to do anything.
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Comment by Ultra Mad
Jun 14, 2016
It is a choice. But there is something bothering me about such a high price tag for a product that is nowhere near masterpiece quality. At the end of the day, this figure is a *toy* a lot more then a collectable (and yes, I do realise that all Transformers are technically toys, not collectable). And to have paid less then half of that price for Metroplex 2 years ago ( I paid 115$, taxes included, in Canada), which is basically the basis for this toy, make me wonder what they are thinking.
I can't imagine many parents rushing into store to buy him for their kids. The advantages of him being at such retail store however is that at some point, he might be on sale for a 'decent' price. (The definition of decent being different for everybody).

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When I saw that price, I told myself I was gonna wait for him to be less than $100 at Costco which wa the case for every other titan class toy so far.
Comment by william-james88
Jun 14, 2016
Ultra Mad wrote:It is a choice. But there is something bothering me about such a high price tag for a product that is nowhere near masterpiece quality. At the end of the day, this figure is a *toy* a lot more then a collectable (and yes, I do realise that all Transformers are technically toys, not collectable). And to have paid less then half of that price for Metroplex 2 years ago ( I paid 115$, taxes included, in Canada), which is basically the basis for this toy, make me wonder what they are thinking.I can't imagine many parents rushing into store to buy him for their kids. The advantages of him being at such retail store however is that at some point, he might be on sale for a 'decent' price. (The definition of decent being different for everybody).
When I saw that price, I told myself I was gonna wait for him to be less than $100 at Costco which wa the case for every other titan class toy so far.
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That's my plan if I decide I really want him
Comment by Ultra Mad
Jun 14, 2016
william-james88 wrote:Ultra Mad wrote:It is a choice. But there is something bothering me about such a high price tag for a product that is nowhere near masterpiece quality. At the end of the day, this figure is a *toy* a lot more then a collectable (and yes, I do realise that all Transformers are technically toys, not collectable). And to have paid less then half of that price for Metroplex 2 years ago ( I paid 115$, taxes included, in Canada), which is basically the basis for this toy, make me wonder what they are thinking.I can't imagine many parents rushing into store to buy him for their kids. The advantages of him being at such retail store however is that at some point, he might be on sale for a 'decent' price. (The definition of decent being different for everybody).
When I saw that price, I told myself I was gonna wait for him to be less than $100 at Costco which wa the case for every other titan class toy so far.
That's my plan if I decide I really want him

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Comment by Cobotron
Jun 14, 2016
Were there ever reports of Devistator at Costco? 

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Canadian Costco, yes, for less than 50$. Dont know if he ever showed up in the US
Comment by william-james88
Jun 14, 2016
Cobotron wrote:Were there ever reports of Devistator at Costco?
Canadian Costco, yes, for less than 50$. Dont know if he ever showed up in the US
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Comment by D-Maximal_Primal
Jun 14, 2016
Metroplex was at our Costco for $50 but I never heard of Devastator being there in the US
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Comment by Cobotron
Jun 14, 2016
CostCan?william-james88 wrote:Canadian Costco

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