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GetterDragun wrote:I've called locally and no commitments on markup, plus on the Nissan forum, no one has gotten a dealer to commit to less than $100K. That's nuts becaue you are basically throwing away 30 grand to own a car at the time of release. I can understand why it is valuable, but I'm sure in a year or two you can pick up a used one in the 50s.

If you can even afford a car in the 20's I admire you.
I have seen that a ten year wait makes wonders, but I'm sure this car will be long gone by then and put in auto auctions for huge prices... maybe you'll get lucky on one, who knows.

Question, wanted to know what you all think:
An auto dealer near me has a 1970 Mustang listed for $9,995.
Heres the good stuff:
-Street legal racer (drag or track)
-Full rollcage
-Nice restored and modified Boss 302* engine
-Custom Boss 302 Decals* and orange/black striped paint
*this is not factory, as this is a regular '70 mustang, not the factory 302.
-Cherry Bomb exhaust
Bad stuff:
-Needs TLC on the leather seats
-rust on the rollcage (easily removed though)
-Worn down interior and dash

I'm sure the interior isn't a huge problem, but I'd like it fixed up.
So....should I convince my parents to get it, or pass?
(Yes, I'm serious, because you may have seen better for less, and I want to get a varying body of people.)

Sherade wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:I've called locally and no commitments on markup, plus on the Nissan forum, no one has gotten a dealer to commit to less than $100K. That's nuts becaue you are basically throwing away 30 grand to own a car at the time of release. I can understand why it is valuable, but I'm sure in a year or two you can pick up a used one in the 50s.

If you can even afford a car in the 20's I admire you.
I have seen that a ten year wait makes wonders, but I'm sure this car will be long gone by then and put in auto auctions for huge prices... maybe you'll get lucky on one, who knows.

Question, wanted to know what you all think:
An auto dealer near me has a 1970 Mustang listed for $9,995.
Heres the good stuff:
-Street legal racer (drag or track)
-Full rollcage
-Nice restored and modified Boss 302* engine
-Custom Boss 302 Decals* and orange/black striped paint
*this is not factory, as this is a regular '70 mustang, not the factory 302.
-Cherry Bomb exhaust
Bad stuff:
-Needs TLC on the leather seats
-rust on the rollcage (easily removed though)
-Worn down interior and dash

I'm sure the interior isn't a huge problem, but I'd like it fixed up.
So....should I convince my parents to get it, or pass?
(Yes, I'm serious, because you may have seen better for less, and I want to get a varying body of people.)

Hmm, sounds real high. What motor is in it that makes it a track car? A cherry bomb exhaust always sounds like they put a pep boys special on it. Plus if it has rust on the rollcage, theres probably rust in places you can't see. Interiors are cheap, so I wouldn't worry about that.

But if you are going to spend 10k on that, why not get a late 90's GT?

Sherade wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:I've called locally and no commitments on markup, plus on the Nissan forum, no one has gotten a dealer to commit to less than $100K. That's nuts becaue you are basically throwing away 30 grand to own a car at the time of release. I can understand why it is valuable, but I'm sure in a year or two you can pick up a used one in the 50s.

If you can even afford a car in the 20's I admire you.
I have seen that a ten year wait makes wonders, but I'm sure this car will be long gone by then and put in auto auctions for huge prices... maybe you'll get lucky on one, who knows.

Question, wanted to know what you all think:
An auto dealer near me has a 1970 Mustang listed for $9,995.
Heres the good stuff:
-Street legal racer (drag or track)
-Full rollcage
-Nice restored and modified Boss 302* engine
-Custom Boss 302 Decals* and orange/black striped paint
*this is not factory, as this is a regular '70 mustang, not the factory 302.
-Cherry Bomb exhaust
Bad stuff:
-Needs TLC on the leather seats
-rust on the rollcage (easily removed though)
-Worn down interior and dash

I'm sure the interior isn't a huge problem, but I'd like it fixed up.
So....should I convince my parents to get it, or pass?
(Yes, I'm serious, because you may have seen better for less, and I want to get a varying body of people.)

BUY IT! The late 90's mustangs look like crap. The old style ones are the best. Is it the one that looks like the Mach1 from the original gone in 60 seconds? Those old 'tangs are beautiful beasts.

Rust isnt a big problem, people make it out to be but thats just because they are lazy or dont know how to fix it but infact its really easy to fix. Same goes for the tlc in the interior and seats.

I say go for it especially with all those engine mods. I bet she sounds frickin lovely!

GetterDragun:
As for the rust, I have yet to thoroughly inspect it, but I know for a fact that the rocker panels probably rusted somewhere, it's the plauge of the old Mustangs. As for the exhaust, can't agree with you, love Cherry bombs, but hey, therte is plenty to pick, so whatever you work with, go ahead and enjoy it.
I have to say the Late 80's-late 90's Mustangs are very nice, but I can get an '87 GT for 800 bucks, so that's fine for me.
(Yes, the '87 is fine, just a large crack in the front bumper, which a trip to Crazy Ray's can fix for 20 bucks.)
The motor, I also have yet to get stats or a good look at it. I've seen the engine, but don';t know exactly what it performs, but 302 engines were really good on Trans-Am, among otherr things...which is less than I can say forv the suspension ont this thing, needs tuning.
Anyhoo, I doubt this'll be my first car, the '87 is looking like that now. But I'm sure I can work something with the dealer under circumstances.
Sonay:
No, it's not lke the original (and much better) Eleanor. It's just a regular Mustang hardtop. Trust me, if it was like Eleanor it'd be gone in 60 seconds. (bad pun, I know.)
And, don't go dissing the Mustang foxes. I happen to like them, plus Sherade is one. So it's remotly like insulting me.
Anyhow, you both seem to think that the interior is nothing big, and you're probably right.
Rust wise, I know different solutions, but what is best to keep this car from getting too roughed up beyond what's needed?

Oh, and thanks to you guys for responding so fast. Your opinions are helpful. (Sonray really offered more of a motivation, but it makes me confident enough to take it on. )

Almost forgot, pics of the car:
http://www.weshartsauto.com/inventory.html
He also has some other nice stuff, expensive on some.
If the page vdoesn't link to the 'Stang, it's on page to of the inventory.

sherade,
i vote pass on it.

Rust can be a bitch depending on location, and it can be expensive to repeair.

besides for around 10k you can get a relatively highmileage(100k+) '93 cobra and that would be much more fun imho

and getter,

to me owning a car as soon as it comes out would not be worth paying an additional 30k...atleast i wouldn't for anycar, especially one that is already pushing in the 70's

GET THAT CAR! Man that thing looks awesome! I prefer the fastback '68's and the mach one but thats still an awesome looking car!

Sorry though but i hate any mustang from early 70's onwards till 2005 models. The rest to me are just poor imitations of what used to be a great car, especially the fox body ones that to me just look like overpowered ford escorts. My wife had one and it was a piece of junk from what she told me, not a car deserving of the prestigious name.

This one however is a beauty, if you pass it up your a mug i tell ya!

Plus it'll give you something to keep you busy when you are bored and have nothing better to do you can go out to your lovely classic muscle car 'tang and fix her up a little.

And as long as the rust isnt extensive it will be easy to fix.

Say what you will, your loss.
And you realize the original Eleanor was a '73, right?
And look at it this way....could be a Chevette.
(Yes, that is a car if you didn't know...horrid junk at that)

But anyhoo, the car has been for sale for awhile, but it isn't advertised.
Bonus:
I know the dealer's kid, and he lives up the street.

Sherade wrote:Say what you will, your loss.
And you realize the original Eleanor was a '73, right?
And look at it this way....could be a Chevette.
(Yes, that is a car if you didn't know...horrid junk at that)

But anyhoo, the car has been for sale for awhile, but it isn't advertised.
Bonus:
I know the dealer's kid, and he lives up the street.

Yes i know, thats why i said early 70's as i didnt know the exact date. '73 is still early 70's

God I would've loved my first car to have been a muscle car. While kids were rolling into the high school parking lot in Mustangs (they were quite common), I chugged around in a POS pickup truck. But I pointed and laughed when they banged their cars up and they looked like sh*t, while my dings just added to the truck's character.

Sherade wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:I've called locally and no commitments on markup, plus on the Nissan forum, no one has gotten a dealer to commit to less than $100K. That's nuts becaue you are basically throwing away 30 grand to own a car at the time of release. I can understand why it is valuable, but I'm sure in a year or two you can pick up a used one in the 50s.

If you can even afford a car in the 20's I admire you.
I have seen that a ten year wait makes wonders, but I'm sure this car will be long gone by then and put in auto auctions for huge prices... maybe you'll get lucky on one, who knows.

Question, wanted to know what you all think:
An auto dealer near me has a 1970 Mustang listed for $9,995.
Heres the good stuff:
-Street legal racer (drag or track)
-Full rollcage
-Nice restored and modified Boss 302* engine
-Custom Boss 302 Decals* and orange/black striped paint
*this is not factory, as this is a regular '70 mustang, not the factory 302.
-Cherry Bomb exhaust
Bad stuff:
-Needs TLC on the leather seats
-rust on the rollcage (easily removed though)
-Worn down interior and dash

I'm sure the interior isn't a huge problem, but I'd like it fixed up.
So....should I convince my parents to get it, or pass?
(Yes, I'm serious, because you may have seen better for less, and I want to get a varying body of people.)

My friend, welcome to your first money pit!

Look around on Craigs List, I bet you'll do alot better.

Vintage beater from a dealer, so much to learn

Liege Evilmus wrote:My friend, welcome to your first money pit!
Look around on Craigs List, I bet you'll do alot better.
Vintage beater from a dealer, so much to learn

I have heard so many bad stories off Craig's list, besides, I trust internet buying for nothing more than TF's. Trust me, I'd rather take this car than a new one.
New cars are too expensive and too luxurized.

Oh no I'm just saying live and learn!

To relae it to TFs...

Sam payed $4000 for a rust beat to hell 76(ish) Camaro.

Now keep in mind the one I'm gonna bring up isn't a alien robot.

But 12 years ago I bought the same car for $450, and it was no were near as broken down. Although it needed alot of TLC, which in car terms equals money out the ass!

Now, I also have to ad that for my day job I work in dealer advertising. So form experience I can tell you that it is their job to charge top dolar for whatever.

This car may seem "Slightly Flawed" due to age, but trust me, if the interiors shot and your seing rust on a car so old that it most likely wont pass most states emishions standars so you can't even have it inspected, thus ticked often while you're shelling out enough to buy a brand new Mustang to bring it up to code, and it still wont work right so you still have to pedal to work to pay for it....


Man, these are life lessons, and you seem to be begging for a dousy!

I reomend, spend $900 on an Escort, drive it into the ground while you go through college, get a good paying job, then when you have the loot for a garage that you can keep your dream car that your painstakingly restoring in, GO FOR IT!

Otherwise, your just gonna be working to keep that heap up and running, which it wont do anyway.

I will not lecture you on this topic but I would like to offer some advice but illustrating a situation. My first car was old and it ran but required tons of money to get it workable (total $5,000). It was not a good looking car but it was great to learn on. There are some things that I wished that I had in it...air bags, a better radio, better A/C, etc. The radio and A/C quit working after a year that I have been driving it. I still have the car and it is very difficult to get it inspected for the state because not many people want to do it. It is still very expensive to maintain. The car is 27 years old. In all, the car cost to maintain $12,000 from the time that I got it.

I know I'ma Japanese car guy, but you could get som much more for $10,000.

You can pick up a used Lexus SC300 for $5000, get a bolt on Turbo for $2500 and have a 400hp reliable car for $7500 that can eventually be modified further to handle over 1100hp (it has the same motor as a Supra).



I remember once I was on the parkway and a beautiful late 60s Mustang pulled up next to me that sounded real me. I gave the guy the thumbs up as he drove by, and he gave me a nasty look and stepped on it. You should have seen the look on his face when my little Lexus walked him like he stopped. I guess he didn't expect a 600hp Supra motor in a little IS.

Nothing is more fun than a turbo.

See GD, that don't apply to me so much.
Leige:
The interior isn't shot, just worn down. I won't say anythnig on the rust because I still haven't been able to get up there yet.
BTW, all dealers in Maryland are legally required to sell only cars have passed all inspections. Emissions included. If this were a private owner, then it'd be different, and what you said would be totally plausible.
Cascadia:
It'd help to know what car it was.
Anyhoo, I can get where you are coming from with this, but for me cost isn't the issue. Old Mustangs aroud here are scarce enough, and most of the ones you see are ruined and made show cars. This is really a steal in itself for this area, and no way we're gonna go out of state for a car.
Did I mention I know someone who can either do repairs or help me for free?

Sherade wrote:Cascadia:
It'd help to know what car it was.

No you forgot to mention that little piece of information. If you know someone that can fix a car for you, hooray for you. Anyways, you probably would not have liked my first car...it is not American-made car, but a German one. It was a 1981 Mercedes-Benz 300D.

Cascadia wrote:

Sherade wrote:Cascadia:
It'd help to know what car it was.

No you forgot to mention that little piece of information. If you know someone that can fix the car for you then by all means get it. Anyways, you probably would not have liked my first car...it is not American-made car, but a German one. It was a 1981 Mercedes-Benz 300D.

Well, Mercedes Benz deserves it share of respect, I do give it that, without it, the industry might not have existed so well.
Out side of being such, the car is horrid anyhow. My neighbor has the same one and it's the most unreliable thing ever. That's the case with most of them I've seen, but I guess age got to them.

Mine was fine in terms of reliability except it was a pain to drive at times. It was getting old but it still runs.

sherade,
id like to echo getter's comments...so consider that done with.

But for your general taste from what i can tell that is useless.
The car you posted to me is a huge turn off (interior very dirty, exposed wires to the MSD and gauge cluster, who knows what else)

Knowing your love for mustangs, i'd like to reitterate looking into an early 90's foxbody...but definately go with the gt or the cobra as a friend of mine discovered that they are harder to convert than you would think(he thought) And considering the everlasting popularity of that car, there are a wealth of parts available if you choose to "upgrade" Maybe i'm biased as i cannot stand mustangs(well moreso most the owners of mustangs) but i can appreciate the speed of the foxbodies.

again echoing getter's comment, theres nothing greater than a turbo, but that doesn't only apply to the import crowd.

Wow, welcome to the Every Other Car thread.

Camaro thread, remember? Take the rest over to the motortrend forums.

Pontimax 01 wrote:Wow, welcome to the Every Other Car thread.

Camaro thread, remember? Take the rest over to the motortrend forums.

What's the point of your post? Do you want us to close General Discussion? While the post changed directions, it isn't filled with spam and can continue on it's path. Most car threads never make it two posts anyways.

We are giving good advice. Not for nothing for a first car, I would think reliable is the most important thing to look for. And my opinion about his potential car is that it sounds like a money pit and that while I am a Japanese car fan I understand his appreciation of a Mustang and would recommend something in better condition and at a better price. I then followed it up with an off the wall suggestion of something completely different to make a point that what he might assume is too luxury oriented is actually pretty hard core and with in his price range.

Here are some fun videos on the subject:
Mustangs vs Mustangs plus a Pontiac GTO vs a SC300:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NILYA-nW ... re=related

SC300 vs Mustang Cobra:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieSebZLy ... re=related

If trhere were cops chasing the dudes in trhe vids, it'd be perfect.
Anyhoo, I'll keep you all informed on the car situation, maybe somethin pops up.
Pontimax, be glad we aren't derailing the thread, or it wouldn't be here to post in at all.