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TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:I'm excited and I hate victory. I can't stand anime and I can't get passed the 3rd episode but I'm looking forward to another Decepticon Combiner because they are greatly outnumbered in the official combiner department

I'm in a similar boat. I don't hate victory, I'm just indifferent to it, but wanted this set just for another decepticon combiner. The set is awesome though. The paint apps are excellent, the colors are really nice, and the headsculpts are amazing.

The colors are gorgeous and I could care less the torso isn't Leozack and other guy. I'm not even looking at Dezarus being Deathsarus, to me he's Dezarus. He's a new character that I can give him his own backstory to. It's called an imagination. Had to to use it back in the 80s when all the toys were bricks so I can use it for this guy.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Who's up for another possible round of Computron vs. Computicon, titled "Liokaiser vs. Liocaesar"?

Howdo you foresee that Liocaesar looking? A new revamped combier system or just silverbolt as the voyager body redeco's into Leozack?

TWO Brawl remolds in this one??

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DeathReviews wrote:TWO Brawl remolds in this one??

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Yeah and the only remolded part is the head.

william-james88 wrote:

DeathReviews wrote:TWO Brawl remolds in this one??

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Yeah and the only remolded part is the head.

Drillhorn's drill?

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

DeathReviews wrote:TWO Brawl remolds in this one??

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Yeah and the only remolded part is the head.

Drillhorn's drill?

Since when does a different accessory count as a remold? Is Platinum predaking called a remold because he comes with a new sword? Come on, lets not get finicky here. Its the same mold with a new head and a different accessory.

william-james88 wrote:

DeathReviews wrote:TWO Brawl remolds in this one??

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Yeah and the only remolded part is the head.

While Brawl is my least favorite mold from CW, having 2 actually works pretty well here since you can make Liokaiser a little taller by leaving the back of the tanks in their normal vehicle positions instead of folding them to the underside of the tank for leg mode like on Bruticus. And those remolded heads are fantastic.

Another thing to note, I believe this is the first Hasbro combiner with mismatched HFG's. Black for the hands and silver for the feet.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

DeathReviews wrote:TWO Brawl remolds in this one??

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Yeah and the only remolded part is the head.

Drillhorn's drill?

Since when does a different accessory count as a remold?

It's an integral aspect of the altmode's identity, not some random attachment just slapped on any which way.

I wish they would have used UW Nosecone for Drillhorn, remold a double turret for Killbison, Jaguar from Swindle/Hound, Hellbat as-is, Jetfire remolded to allow for combination as Leozack, and Guyhawk redone from one of the CW small seekers as a chestpiece. A stretch, I know.

Tranzilla wrote:I wish they would have used UW Nosecone for Drillhorn, remold a double turret for Killbison, Jaguar from Swindle/Hound, Hellbat as-is, Jetfire remolded to allow for combination as Leozack, and Guyhawk redone from one of the CW small seekers as a chestpiece. A stretch, I know.

Sounds great!

I actually really like how 4 of these guys look. The head sculpts modeled after the Victory cartoon look great. While I'm not too crazy about Dezarus in his murder chicken mode, I'm not sure how far Takara would go to improve the figure. Some slightly repainted figures to make them look more show accurate really wouldn't be worth the wait & I don't think expecting them to make brand new molds to create Leo & Jag is very realistic.

Bottom line here is that I will probably pick up Liokasier at some point & skip any Unite Warriors version, unless they do something drastically different.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

DeathReviews wrote:TWO Brawl remolds in this one??

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Yeah and the only remolded part is the head.

Drillhorn's drill?

Since when does a different accessory count as a remold?

It's an integral aspect of the altmode's identity, not some random attachment just slapped on any which way.

Actually... due to the design of the ports on the drill, you can slap it on any which way

...it can attach facing backwards (a'la botcon ramhorn) or as shown in the official renders for Drillhorn.

And for anyone kidding themselves that TT will go the full extra mile for this set, remember, they've legitimized far weirder things with their pack-in comics, so Dezarus becoming a torso for a (possibly) deceased leozack isn't too far out of the realm of possibility

I'm sure Liokaiser'll be a six-member team when Takara does him. Just like Galvatron and Blurr weren't headmasters when Takara used their molds.

I partly jest, but while nothing's out of the realm of possibility; I really wouldn't be counting on Takara to make them a six-member team just because they're known for accuracy. It's a completely different situation - it'd require whole new engineering for two deluxes to become a Voyager-sized torso, while the changes they made to the other combiners were still standard Scramble City, just with a new Combiner component thrown in and some remolding done elsewhere. Liokaiser's a very different case to giving Bruticus a shuttle for an arm.

Emerje wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:1.) He's the first modern reinterpretation of the most awesome G1 Combiner ever
2.) The original Liokaiser is hard to find
3.) One if his components, Killbison, suffers from Gold Plastic Syndrome

So yes, he is anticipated.

OK, but on the other hand...
1.) It's hardly an ideal interpretation lacking two key members (including the team leader!) and replaced by someone that wasn't part of the original team
2.) It's still a very obscure character for any casual fan, unlike the bulk of the CW teams making it a difficult sell.
3.) Hasbro CW figures aren't exactly substitutes for Japanese G1 figures.

Compared to the likes of the Technobots, Combaticons, and Sky Reign, to say nothing of the UW stuff coming out of Japan or the Titans Return, Legends, and Masterpiece stuff he seems a little low on the 2016 "OMG I NEED THAT!" list. Especially when so many people seem to be hoping for a sale before they buy it.

Emerje

You know what though, I am excited for LioKaiser because he is obscure. Is this the best verion of Dezaras? Not really, but the combiner form does all the right shapes for a LioKauser, even if Hasbro didnt paint him right. Would I prefer a Jallguar and Leozack chest? Absolutely. Would I be okay with seperate limbs of them? Sure!

Do I want a Leozack Superion? NO. Got enough of those, thank you.

Despite being repaints, I am quite looking forward to these guys. They are characters I don't have and have never experienced, but are actually meant to be combiners, and not just a "Lets make Sunstreaker a combiner guy abd then write a comic to justify it!" The head sculpts and Alt Modes land very well for 4 of them. I can repaint some Arms Microns to fill the niche, and they are cons, which at the start CW was rather outnumbered on.

Yeah, the only thing Hasbro succeeded in doing was gaining my interest in the backstory of this team. Well actually it was that new 3rd party set, so once I did a little more research that Deathsaurus torso for Hasbro's version became a turnoff for me.

I'd rather Liokaiser have the original 6 figures and Deathsaurus be a separate Leader class figure that has a robot mode. So here's to hopes that Takara's already on it and will get it right. Otherwise it's mostly another win for 3rd party companies and those who can afford the truer version.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

DeathReviews wrote:TWO Brawl remolds in this one??

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Yeah and the only remolded part is the head.

Drillhorn's drill?

Since when does a different accessory count as a remold? Is Platinum predaking called a remold because he comes with a new sword? Come on, lets not get finicky here. Its the same mold with a new head and a different accessory.

For what it's worth, I listed Hasbro's Nosecone as a Brawl redeco due to the head, just with "alternate parts" or AP noted. Ironbison and Drillhorn are separated, because they each have a new head, but still same Brawl shell with Drillhorn having the AP, making them both retools of Brawl.

I still think Hasbro did well with Liokaiser with what they had available to work with.

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Who's up for another possible round of Computron vs. Computicon, titled "Liokaiser vs. Liocaesar"?

Howdo you foresee that Liocaesar looking? A new revamped combier system or just silverbolt as the voyager body redeco's into Leozack?

I don't think TakaraTomy will go the easy route, most of the time it's all or nothing for them. The biggest problem I can think of is the size of the combiner pegs vs. the size of the figures. Leozack and Jallguar have to accommodate not just two ports each, but also separate connectors for eachother. If not done exactly right the whole will be an unstable mess.

YoungPrime wrote:I'd rather Liokaiser have the original 6 figures and Deathsaurus be a separate Leader class figure that has a robot mode.

Well, dont know if this makes it better or worse, but the rumour is 2017 will give us a Leader Deathsaurus. It makes perfect sense when you look at the theme of leaders coming out in 2017, which Hasbro confirmed was based on IDW. So thats another reason for me holding off on this toy.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I don't think TakaraTomy will go the easy route, most of the time it's all or nothing for them.

I agree with that, hence why i think if those heads are used they will just make something random. Just curious, has TT used all the heads hasbro released so far except for Strafe?

william-james88 wrote:Well, dont know if this makes it better or worse, but the rumour is 2017 will give us a Leader Deathsaurus. It makes perfect sense when you look at the theme of leaders coming out in 2017, which Hasbro confirmed was based on IDW.

Not necessarily - just the Phase Sixers. The versions of Soundwave and Blaster we've got so far in TR bear no relation or similarity to IDW; and Optimus certainly hasn't taken on his Powermaster form in the comics. So it's really just that they're going for a Phase Sixer theme with their cons, and Deathsaurus bears absolutely 0 relation to them other than fighting alongside Overlord briefly in DOTL. If the rumours are true - and I bet, if anything, he'd be a pretool of someone - it won't be because he appeared in IDW.

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I don't think TakaraTomy will go the easy route, most of the time it's all or nothing for them.

I agree with that, hence why i think if those heads are used they will just make something random. Just curious, has TT used all the heads hasbro released so far except for Strafe?

Not counting FunPub's newly sculpted heads and uses of built-in heads (Counterpunch, Toxitron, Reflector), Air Raid Strafe is the only one unused, next to Legends Wreck-Gar. Don't know who it can be used for, if they decide to use him at all.

i want it because its a decepticon combiner which this would only make 4 counting devastator to the 5 autobot combiners

I received the Platinum seeker set today. Out of curiosity, did anyone have any QC issues with theirs? When I flipped the front flap open (before even opening the box), I noticed discoloring of the blue plastic on Dirge. It's very noticeable, and the discoloring looks like when plastic is warped/bent. Except that the pattern of discoloration is odd...not sure how it happened. This is in addition to one side of the box being rather dinged up, but I could live with that. The discoloration, not so much... working with Target to get a replacement sent.

Ultra Markus wrote:i want it because its a decepticon combiner which this would only make 4 counting devastator to the 5 autobot combiners

5? There's Superion, Defensor, Optimus Maximus, Sky Reign, Victorion and Computron - that's 6.
Unless Cyclonus is stealing Maximus' limbs for Galvatronus.

Kurona wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:i want it because its a decepticon combiner which this would only make 4 counting devastator to the 5 autobot combiners

5? There's Superion, Defensor, Optimus Maximus, Sky Reign, Victorion and Computron - that's 6.
Unless Cyclonus is stealing Maximus' limbs for Galvatronus.

oh yeah i forgot about Vicky still the cons are severly out numbered

Ultra Markus wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:i want it because its a decepticon combiner which this would only make 4 counting devastator to the 5 autobot combiners

5? There's Superion, Defensor, Optimus Maximus, Sky Reign, Victorion and Computron - that's 6.
Unless Cyclonus is stealing Maximus' limbs for Galvatronus.

oh yeah i forgot about Vicky still the cons are severly out numbered

Perhaps... but considering Devastator's size, the Autobots are likely out-powered.

nycPrime wrote:I received the Platinum seeker set today. Out of curiosity, did anyone have any QC issues with theirs? When I flipped the front flap open (before even opening the box), I noticed discoloring of the blue plastic on Dirge. It's very noticeable, and the discoloring looks like when plastic is warped/bent. Except that the pattern of discoloration is odd...not sure how it happened. This is in addition to one side of the box being rather dinged up, but I could live with that. The discoloration, not so much... working with Target to get a replacement sent.

I dont recall that with my set or anyone else describing that problem. Good luck with the replacement!