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TransformersEmporium wrote:Yep, I stand corrected...

Go back to playing your x-boxs boy, mom will call you when dinner is ready..

I know how you're feeling buddy, it's hard to argue with wikipedia!

El Duque wrote:Not-Lambo #2

Poor example as that looks nothing like a Lamborgini but a futuristic sports car. Furthermore the whole Binaltech and Alternity licensing situation proves that unlike the 80s when car licensing in toys wasn't an issue, that it is taken seriously by HasTak (including paying for licensing).

El Duque wrote:.....and the worst offender of all......
Not-Valkyrie


and the list goes on.......

There is absolutely no difference in what Hasbro did to Bandai and what TFC Toys did to Hasbro.

Way to throw reason out the window on this one. Let's look at the facts here. Hasbro and Takara bought a discarded Strike Valkyrie mod to use as Jetfire. The deal was fully licensed. Due to licensing deals, Jetfire could not appear to be toy accurate in the cartoon or comic. Enter the Classics line. Hasbro and Takara created a modern day version of a mold that they had fully licensed to use. In short, your entire argument here re Jetfire is utterly flawed. Get back to me when TFC pay HasTak licensing fees- you'll actually have a point then.

TransformersEmporium wrote:Yep, I stand corrected...

Go back to playing your x-boxs boy, mom will call you when dinner is ready..

Yes I suppose I should stop procrastinating and get onto that 1,000 word paper I have due on whether Augustus tampered with historiographical traditions during his reign.

GetRightRobot wrote:

TransformersEmporium wrote:Yep, I stand corrected...

Go back to playing your x-boxs boy, mom will call you when dinner is ready..

I know how you're feeling buddy, it's hard to argue with wikipedia!

Weren't you leaving this thread? Besides, Wikipedia is no less reliable than urban dictionary.

Bowspearer wrote:

El Duque wrote:Not-Lambo #2

Poor example as that looks nothing like a Lamborgini but a futuristic sports car. Furthermore the whole Binaltech and Alternity licensing situation proves that unlike the 80s when car licensing in toys wasn't an issue, that it is taken seriously by HasTak (including paying for licensing).

El Duque wrote:.....and the worst offender of all......
Not-Valkyrie


and the list goes on.......

There is absolutely no difference in what Hasbro did to Bandai and what TFC Toys did to Hasbro.

Way to throw reason out the window on this one. Let's look at the facts here. Hasbro and Takara bought a discarded Strike Valkyrie mod to use as Jetfire. The deal was fully licensed. Due to licensing deals, Jetfire could not appear to be toy accurate in the cartoon or comic. Enter the Classics line. Hasbro and Takara created a modern day version of a mold that they had fully licensed to use. In short, your entire argument here re Jetfire is utterly flawed. Get back to me when TFC pay HasTak licensing fees- you'll actually have a point then.

That figure was based off of the Bugatti Veyron
http://www.thesupercars.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/bugatti-veyron-main-post-1.jpg

Besides, this guy is just a troll. Not worth paying any more attention too.

TROLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO! The truest form of no life!

I was leaving, but you are simply inspiring, please tell me more

What is going on with the Bowspearer ???

Exactly who are these basement dwellers? Feel free to call them out by name in the same fashion I just called you out. I’m very interested in who you were referring to. Just because someone doesn’t agree with the way you view the world, does that give you the right to disrespect them? I’m stumped as to who died and made you king.

2nd, What in the blue hell is this ????




OK, I get the point you are trying to make. So now get the point I’m trying to make:

Hasbro ain’t my MAMA !!! I’m a god damn paying customer and I can ask them to make whatever characters I want. They have every legal right to refuse and make excuses. But ill take my business elsewhere to those companies who choose to listen to collectors.


Granted, I didn’t invent the term “intellectual property” but I would love to punch the guy in the face that did.

(I know this isn’t him, but I keep getting this picture in my head)


I’m not disputing that the definition of “intellectual property” isn’t listed in some Harvard law book. I’m just saying some things are too petty to bring to the table and still retain your manhood. I would place theft of intellectual property in the same category as defamation of character. I flat out don’t respect these opinion based legalities. To use them in a court of law is pissing out of a mangina.

Since you say you are from Australia, I’m sure you have heard of the injustices taking place in New Zealand. This isn’t farr off from the bulls**t Hasbro is trying to pull in court.



And you see the KO Toys banner I display proudly on my signature? It was Hasbro’s arrogance that created KO Toys. If Hasbro had listened to collectors in the first place, KO Toys would have never existed. KO toys is the spawn of Hasbro/Takara mismanagement.

Rated X wrote:What is going on with the Bowspearer ???

Exactly who are these basement dwellers? Feel free to call them out by name in the same fashion I just called you out. I’m very interested in who you were referring to. Just because someone doesn’t agree with the way you view the world, does that give you the right to disrespect them? I’m stumped as to who died and made you king.

2nd, What in the blue hell is this ????




OK, I get the point you are trying to make. So now get the point I’m trying to make:

Hasbro ain’t my MAMA !!! I’m a god damn paying customer and I can ask them to make whatever characters I want. They have every legal right to refuse and make excuses. But ill take my business elsewhere to those companies who choose to listen to collectors.


Granted, I didn’t invent the term “intellectual property” but I would love to punch the guy in the face that did.

(I know this isn’t him, but I keep getting this picture in my head)


I’m not disputing that the definition of “intellectual property” isn’t listed in some Harvard law book. I’m just saying some things are too petty to bring to the table and still retain your manhood. I would place theft of intellectual property in the same category as defamation of character. I flat out don’t respect these opinion based legalities. To use them in a court of law is pissing out of a mangina.

Since you say you are from Australia, I’m sure you have heard of the injustices taking place in New Zealand. This isn’t farr off from the bulls**t Hasbro is trying to pull in court.



And you see the KO Toys banner I display proudly on my signature? It was Hasbro’s arrogance that created KO Toys. If Hasbro had listened to collectors in the first place, KO Toys would have never existed. KO toys is the spawn of Hasbro/Takara mismanagement.

X, dude, don't do it. He's a loser Troll that only seeks attention and outrage because he is insecure and most likely, physically appalling!

GetRightRobot wrote:That figure was based off of the Bugatti Veyron
http://www.thesupercars.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/bugatti-veyron-main-post-1.jpg

Then why wasn't there a lawsuit over it if the likeness was great enough. Considering how pedantic HasTak were over licensing with Binaltech (and then with Alternity); surely there would have been a lawsuit if there'd been enough of a likeness. We're not talking about small fry, but a milti-million dollar company, and a multi-million ddollar IP. The fact that there was no lawsuit suggests it was more inspired than directly copied.

GetRightRobot wrote:Besides, this guy is just a troll. Not worth paying any more attention too.

Really? This coming from the man who said to quote just some examples:

GetRightRobot wrote:I can just bet you're REEAALLL popular with the ladies.

You're as much fun as a bag of dirty laundry.

GetRightRobot wrote:Been collecting since 1984 right? JUST got engaged a month ago huh? Interesting. Yep, you definitely are the lady killer and you've convinced me you're the life of the party

GetRightRobot wrote:I'm also totally sold that your interaction with women over the past 40 or so years is quite inspiring.

Pot kettle black much?

Bowspearer wrote:

headsortails wrote:I'm having such a hard time understanding this, really. We have had many a discussion on here about Hasbro and them not giving, for the most part, what the COLLECTORS want, right? It has been said by some people that Hasbro ultimately thinks of the kids as their main line of profit, and that us, the COLLECTORS, are in actuality, are only 10% of their profit, right? We are now discussing how Hasbro is now starting to come down on 3rd party guys, but isn't the 3rd party makers specifically for the COLLECTOR? And since we are only 10% of those who actually buy for collection, why should it really hurt Hasbro since 90% of their money comes from the kids?

Sure, I'm going to get picked apart by what I'm trying to say, and NO I do have all info on markets and how all that stuff actually works, but I'm going by what I, the CONSUMER, want. And if I remember correctly, the consumers play the biggest part. No consumer, no product ultimately. Hasbro has more than just a Transformers line in the market. They have multiple toy lines and probably other items not toy related I don't know of. We, the COLLECTOR are only 10% (going by some people who have defended the fact of Hasbro not giving us what we want in some areas) of just one of the many different toy lines Hasbro has. 3rd party toy makers stepped in and said' "we will fill in the gap for the 10%". Now, it seems, Hasbro is taking offense, but to what?- the mere 10% of one toy line when they have so many other toy lines and whatever else they control making them money? Looks like greed to me.

Remember, this is my opinion with info I have read on these boards, not an attempt at being all knowledgeable at whats goin on.

So if someone wanted something you had and you wouldn't give it to them, you'd honestly be ok with them breaking into your home and stealing it? I highly doubt it. Yet that's what you're claiming is ok regarding Hasbro's IPs because of what you want.

Yes Hasbro have created a need for this in the market by not producing it, but regardless of what the consumer wants; those IPs still belong to HasTak who can decide to market them however they wish, and producing toys based on them without paying Hasbro for the use of those IPs is outright theft, no matter how much you try and sugarcoat it.

I'm not supercoating anything. And no, if I was a multimillion dollar company already making tons of money off of MANY different items, I wouldn't. why should I care over a measely "10%" of one of the many toy lines I'm selling.That's the point of my little 2 cents. Now go bug someone else..........

Bowspearer wrote:

GetRightRobot wrote:That figure was based off of the Bugatti Veyron
http://www.thesupercars.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/bugatti-veyron-main-post-1.jpg

Then why wasn't there a lawsuit over it if the likeness was great enough. Considering how pedantic HasTak were over licensing with Binaltech (and then with Alternity); surely there would have been a lawsuit if there'd been enough of a likeness. We're not talking about small fry, but a milti-million dollar company, and a multi-million ddollar IP. The fact that there was no lawsuit suggests it was more inspired than directly copied.

There ya go. TFC Toys Hercules is inspired by Hasbro Devastator.

Rated X wrote:Childish arrogant relativist rambling

Yes I bet you'd love to punch the guy who came up with the term "intellectual property" in the face. The fact is that you claim that you get the point I've made, and then you go and prove my point completely in spades. Your entire attitude is essentially 'to hell with who gets hurt in the cross-fire, "I WANT IT NOW!"'. Your entire post here reminds me of what multiple fans I've spoken to have said- that one of the biggest problems with the fandom are fans who confuse the minimum recommended age of the toys for the age that it's acceptable to behave like- complete with all the entitlement which goes with it.

Also you claim to be a proud supporter of a company which did nothing but provide scammers with free fodder to try and rip people off with. One day, when you actually grow up and get some perspective, you'll actually see just how flawed that worldview truly is.

headsortails wrote:

Bowspearer wrote:So if someone wanted something you had and you wouldn't give it to them, you'd honestly be ok with them breaking into your home and stealing it? I highly doubt it. Yet that's what you're claiming is ok regarding Hasbro's IPs because of what you want.

Yes Hasbro have created a need for this in the market by not producing it, but regardless of what the consumer wants; those IPs still belong to HasTak who can decide to market them however they wish, and producing toys based on them without paying Hasbro for the use of those IPs is outright theft, no matter how much you try and sugarcoat it.

I'm not supercoating anything. And no, if I was a multimillion dollar company already making tons of money off of MANY different items, I wouldn't. why should I care over a measely "10%" of one of the many toy lines I'm selling.That's the point of my little 2 cents. Now go bug someone else..........

Really, then why does Hasbro see things very differently. Why is it that Hasbro is seeing too it that 3rd party toys and kos are banned at Botcon then? Clearly, your "victimless crime" fallacy doesn't hold up to reality.

El Duque wrote:

Bowspearer wrote:

GetRightRobot wrote:That figure was based off of the Bugatti Veyron
http://www.thesupercars.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/bugatti-veyron-main-post-1.jpg

Then why wasn't there a lawsuit over it if the likeness was great enough. Considering how pedantic HasTak were over licensing with Binaltech (and then with Alternity); surely there would have been a lawsuit if there'd been enough of a likeness. We're not talking about small fry, but a milti-million dollar company, and a multi-million ddollar IP. The fact that there was no lawsuit suggests it was more inspired than directly copied.

There ya go. TFC Toys Hercules is inspired by Hasbro Devastator.

Except that you're comparing apples with oranges. What you're talking about with Crosswise is a toy design which draws enough elements from the Bugatti to resemble it, but clearly not enough to warrant a lawsuit or the figure would never have surfaced. Also I highly doubt Hasbro legal wouldn't have stepped in with the design if there was a potential lawsuit there.

Hercules vs Devastator is a different situation though. There you have one set of transforming toys, which combine to form a larger toy, clearly based rather heavily on another design for a set of transforming toys, which combine together to form a larger toy. This is a case of one clearly ripping the other off to capitalise on the market share of the company they're ripping the design off of.

GetRightRobot wrote:X, dude, don't do it. He's a loser Troll that only seeks attention and outrage because he is insecure and most likely, physically appalling!

Could you be any more ironic here in calling me a Troll?

I'm not understanding what all this commotion is about. Hasbro/Takara-tomy can do what they like. I understanding the sheer enjoyment of collecting and customizing figures for our own enjoyment but selling at great numbers is not collecting. That's stealing intellectual properties. Lucky H/TT didnt go after these thieves (3rd Parties Company??). Sometimes when we love something so much that we lose the meaning of what's right and what is protected under the law. You know, it took any company to waste millions and millions of dollars in advertisement to make that band popular. Third companies needs to do their own products.

The next person to resort to name calling of any kind is going to start their path to a vacation from the site.

Bowspearer, you may have a strong stance on this matter, but you are ignoring valid points in the conversation and in doing so are drawing heat down on yourself.

Everyone chill out. First and last warning on the matter.

The next time I come through here it will be to remove posts, issue warnings, and follow up with necessary suspensions.

President-prime wrote:I'm not understanding what all this commotion is about. Hasbro/Takara-tomy can do what they like. I understanding the sheer enjoyment of collecting and customizing figures for our own enjoyment but selling at great numbers is not collecting. That's stealing intellectual properties. Lucky H/TT didnt go after these thieves (3rd Parties Company??). Sometimes when we love something so much that we lose the meaning of what's right and what is protected under the law. You know, it took any company to waste millions and millions of dollars in advertisement to make that band popular. Third companies needs to do their own products.

QFT. On that note it's worth noting that the only reason people care about Transformers is because of the clever advertising by Hasbro you mention, in the form of the Marvel comic and Sunbow cartoon. Without that, Optimus Prime is just some japanese transforming mecha truck that's part of a Microman spin-off, to give just one example

On a different note. I want to congratulate Don Figueroa for stepping up and creating his own comic and toyline. That's a third party company I would totally support. Not a bunch of people taking someone else's property and selling them for profits. See, I don't undstand why some of you know that thieves (so-called 3rd parties, or transformers rippioffs) are at fault and still defend them. They can do what they please but dont mass market them. That's just stupid and are asking to be penalize by the law.

Counterpunch wrote:Bowspearer, you may have a strong stance on this matter, but you are ignoring valid points in the conversation and in doing so are drawing heat down on yourself.

That's just it, I'm not ignoring anything. I completely get that there's only supply here because of demand and that people feel that they should be able to have alternatives.

The thing is though that Hasbro own those designs and all the intellectual rights which go with them, and no matter how much it might suck that Hasbro wont give us upgrades or certain figures; at the end of the day it doesn't change the fact that selling unlicensed and unauthorised products is just as much theft as if someone was shoplifting or snatching a purse from a little old lady, and every bit as wrong.

The only reason we care so much and want the toys so much is because of the comic and cartoon, which were the main thrust of Hasbro's marketing strategy. It's because of the money they've poured into various media that we are hooked and do care. If it wasn't for that cartoon or that comic, what would Transformers be but a bunch of random Japanese toys?

The idea that you can circumvent that and disregard the ethics of that situation just because "I want it!" is the sort of thing you expect from a 5 year old, not a grown adult.

Yes there's a reason why there's enough of an emotional attachment there to result in that, but those having said emotional response, are completely forgetting why it's there to begin with in blaming Hasbro here of claiming they're being unreasonable- not to mention biting the hand that feeds them.

Bowspearer wrote:

Rated X wrote:Childish arrogant relativist rambling

Yes I bet you'd love to punch the guy who came up with the term "intellectual property" in the face. The fact is that you claim that you get the point I've made, and then you go and prove my point completely in spades. Your entire attitude is essentially 'to hell with who gets hurt in the cross-fire, "I WANT IT NOW!"'. Your entire post here reminds me of what multiple fans I've spoken to have said- that one of the biggest problems with the fandom are fans who confuse the minimum recommended age of the toys for the age that it's acceptable to behave like- complete with all the entitlement which goes with it.

Also you claim to be a proud supporter of a company which did nothing but provide scammers with free fodder to try and rip people off with. One day, when you actually grow up and get some perspective, you'll actually see just how flawed that worldview truly is.

Like I said before I’m a god damn paying customer. You ever heard the old saying “the customer is always right” ???

You don’t have to listen to the customer, but it might be wise because if you don’t want your business to fall under. And since we are talking specifically about the “collectors market” (AKA the 10% percent) we collectors are the majority. Like I said in an earlier post, Botcon is the one time when the kids don’t matter. (kids AKA 90% profit )

And last year TF Source and friends upstaged Hasbro on the grandest stage of them all.

Ive been around 35 years which is long enough to know that online storage is what it is: online storage. What you use the storage for is completely out of the control of it’s host. So if I were to upload the hottest music album on Megaupload, and name the file “GB678J5211” how would the host know it was copyrighted material without opening the millions and millions of online files one by one ? Most of RAR’s and ZIP’s have encrypted passwords anyway. The only way to get the password is from the uploaders personal website, which is usually a blogspot that caters to a select fan base. These are the real pirates. Kim Dotcom is innocent. All he did was build the ship they sail on. He didn’t tell them which route to take, and he cant police the entire ocean.

So I am childish huh? I admit being a kid at heart (like most of us 30’s something’s who collect toys for a hobby) But you my friend have a lot to learn about life.

Get off the top of Ayer’s Rock and come interact with real Transformers fans (not Hasbro fans) You might just learn something. Come to Botcon, Ill buy you a beer, mate.

Hugh??

Were you trying to make a point? Or did you stop taking your meds again,

My site clearly states theyre 3rd party reproductions.. So please forgive me if from this point I start ignoring you, its just you can only be so nice to the poor mentally chalenged kid before he gets annoying and you decide to just ignore him completely..

So please go away.. Unless your one of those stalker creeps that continue a convo when there wasnt one to begin with and youve already been told that no one has an interest in what your saying?? Is that you???

Bowspearer wrote:

TransformersEmporium wrote:

Bowspearer wrote:

TransformersEmporium wrote: And no where do I say that these are vintage

It's what you don't say. There's nothing in each category to explicitly state that they are knock-offs, and someone starting out or someone buying for a fan could easily mistake a KO for a bargain. It's entirely reasonable to accuse that of being at best, negligent, and at worst, deliberately misleading.

TransformersEmporium wrote: And I was talking with someone else about all the morons on this site who apparently missed their calling as either supermarket tabloid reporter or as lawyer! But you only seem to speak out of your arse. So I don't see this convo going anywhere as Ive really lost my patience with the handicapped today.

I imagine someone who has clearly spent their life confusing methane for reason would say this.

TransformersEmporium wrote: I run an online store, for profit by a seller.

Fixed

Hey, I only touched methane once, and it was in college.
Plus only an utter moron would think they can buy a MISB Sunstreaker for $65 delivered really.
Is that what happened to you? did you do that???
Because I have a long track record of policing sites and even ebay for KO's.
Making sure that people arent getting scammed.
So for you to even emply that theres anything shady about me, shows a complete lack of intelligence on your part. because I personally find it very insulting.

Right so someone coming back into the fandom, maybe after seeing the movies and who decides to find some of their childhood toys is meant to know that KOs exist that are such high level forgeries that the only difference can be a comma comparresd to a colon in fine print on a box?

To blame someone not that knowledgable when the situation even catches out long term fans (and yes, back when the KOs first started showing up about 5+ years ago, I got stung on one of those "scepial" Beachcombers), is the height of dodginess. If you're so sure you have nothing to worry about, why not state they're knock-offs (even sugar coating it by describing them as "unauthorised replicas")?

Oh and re the price side of things, I paid $60 including shipping for my C-10 Beet-Gugal last year so such finds aren't outside the realms of possibility.

Bowspearer wrote:

El Duque wrote:

Bowspearer wrote:

GetRightRobot wrote:That figure was based off of the Bugatti Veyron
http://www.thesupercars.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/bugatti-veyron-main-post-1.jpg

Then why wasn't there a lawsuit over it if the likeness was great enough. Considering how pedantic HasTak were over licensing with Binaltech (and then with Alternity); surely there would have been a lawsuit if there'd been enough of a likeness. We're not talking about small fry, but a milti-million dollar company, and a multi-million ddollar IP. The fact that there was no lawsuit suggests it was more inspired than directly copied.

There ya go. TFC Toys Hercules is inspired by Hasbro Devastator.

Except that you're comparing apples with oranges. What you're talking about with Crosswise is a toy design which draws enough elements from the Bugatti to resemble it, but clearly not enough to warrant a lawsuit or the figure would never have surfaced. Also I highly doubt Hasbro legal wouldn't have stepped in with the design if there was a potential lawsuit there.

Hercules vs Devastator is a different situation though. There you have one set of transforming toys, which combine to form a larger toy, clearly based rather heavily on another design for a set of transforming toys, which combine together to form a larger toy. This is a case of one clearly ripping the other off to capitalise on the market share of the company they're ripping the design off of.

Exactly, Hercules was inspired by Devastator. The concept comes off as so generic that in trying to disprove this point, you sound as if you could be defending it.

Yes, Hasbro & FunPub have the right to ban 3rd Party Toys from their convention. No one is arguing with that. People may disagree with the decision or the way they went about it, but the convention organizers clearly have the right to run their convention according to their vision.

The issue dividing people is the existence of the 3rd Party companies themselves, and the nature of their existence - what they do and how they make money. And the point where people are insulted most is the seeming conflation of the 3rd Party companies with their fans/customers/defenders.

You can say that the 3rd Party companies are doing is wrong.

I can say there's nothing wrong with what they're doing (excepting straight KOs or mold theft, of course).

There's no black and white here - throughout history, people purporting to be wise have posited the black and white of things in order to give the masses an easy path to follow or to attempt to sound convincing. Right and Wrong, Good or Bad - it's just a way of simplifying life's complicated choices. However, life never really falls into those two over-simplified categories. The same is true here.

What it comes down to is this: if you don't like 3rd Party companies, don't buy their stuff. The argument of whether the 3rd Party companies are in the wrong is Hasbro's to make, and fans that desire those products shouldn't be put down for liking/wanting/buying those products. The fans are functioning as fans should - flocking to those products that fulfill their collecting desires. How Hasbro and the 3rd Party companies interact is completely out of that fan-sphere, and should be relegated to the courts, etc., to determine if any wrong doing has occurred.

Counterpunch wrote:The next person to resort to name calling of any kind is going to start their path to a vacation from the site.

Bowspearer, you may have a strong stance on this matter, but you are ignoring valid points in the conversation and in doing so are drawing heat down on yourself.

Everyone chill out. First and last warning on the matter.

The next time I come through here it will be to remove posts, issue warnings, and follow up with necessary suspensions.

Yay! Moderators!

Please, for the love of God, moderate

To each it's own. I'm kind of appalled, though, by what I'm hearing. It seems that, even in being a fan of transformers, there are denominations and groupies. We should be talking transformers and coming together to discuss the aesthetics or the coolness of the figures instead of bickering about the "intellectual rights" of companies. See should let them them deal with it and get back to what we all love, transformers.

Rated X wrote:Like I said before I’m a god damn paying customer. You ever heard the old saying “the customer is always right” ???

And that saying goes out the window the moment you're talking about stealing from the store/company.

Rated X wrote:You don’t have to listen to the customer, but it might be wise because if you don’t want your business to fall under. And since we are talking specifically about the “collectors market” (AKA the 10% percent) we collectors are the majority. Like I said in an earlier post, Botcon is the one time when the kids don’t matter. (kids AKA 90% profit )

And last year TF Source and friends upstaged Hasbro on the grandest stage of them all.

Definitely true but by the same token, you're using walking with your feet to justify being a party to theft. It's one thing if Hasbro loses money overall and has to revisit authorising 3rd parties to produce licensed accessories (or even sculpt and design with Hasbro mass-producing - eg 4H with MOTUC); it's another for outright theft to be the option chosen.

Rated X wrote:Ive been around 35 years which is long enough to know that online storage is what it is: online storage. What you use the storage for is completely out of the control of it’s host. So if I were to upload the hottest music album on Megaupload, and name the file “GB678J5211” how would the host know it was copyrighted material without opening the millions and millions of online files one by one ? Most of RAR’s and ZIP’s have encrypted passwords anyway. The only way to get the password is from the uploaders personal website, which is usually a blogspot that caters to a select fan base. These are the real pirates. Kim Dotcom is innocent. All he did was build the ship they sail on. He didn’t tell them which route to take, and he cant police the entire ocean.

Except that the case with Megaupload is not only that their anti-piracy policies were suspect, but their own people were "caught with their hand in the cookie jar". It was more than building the ship when a few high-ups were caught with their hand on the tiller.

Rated X wrote:So I am childish huh? I admit being a kid at heart (like most of us 30’s something’s who collect toys for a hobby) But you my friend have a lot to learn about life.

There's a difference between being childish, and childlike. Being child-like is arguably the sign of a well-adjusted and mature adult- someone who can connect with what they loved as a child, allowing them to dream and keep their imaginations alive, while still maturely going about life. Being childish, is acting like a 5 year old when you don't get something you feel like you're entitled to and is highly immature. Do you see the difference?