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News Credits: 335 · by **Down_Shift** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:44 pm

cellshock wrote:
Down_Shift wrote:The difference to me is the look of the character. Almost feels like this is IDWs version of The Fallen as opposed to DW.

It is. The original The Fallen was drawn by Pat Lee for Dreamwave and has since been slightly re-done by Don Figueroa for IDW. And since Don is also now directly involved with designing ALL of the War Within titanium figures (as well as the G1 Scourge, Rodimus Prime & Ultra Magnus titaniums), it makes sense that what he did for The Fallen would follow his own version rather than Pat Lee's.

Pat Lee's original version was decent, but poorly thought-out when it came to actual transformation. Don, on the other hand, is not only a freakishly good artist but also has a natural sixth sense for being able to design (or modify the designs of existing) characters in a way that can directly translate into toy forms should Hasbro want them to... rather than the other way around where the toy usually comes first. All of his War Within stuff was created from the get-go to be functional toys if the opportunity ever arose (which it did thankfully), and just look at what he managed to think up for G1 Rodimus & Magnus. Over 20 years later, we finally have versions of these characters that are accurate single-piece molds that still look like the way they were depicted in the cartoons & comics.

Hehe, sorry for the Don F. worship here - I just want the guy to get as much credit as he deserves He's proven that he is not only one of, if not THE, best TF artists out there, but now he's able to take his talents to the next level and give us some of the best figures we've seen yet. I just hope Hasbro gets him involved with making some larger plastic versions of characters as well, and not keeping him stuck just doing 6" Titaniums.

I agree, Don deserves troves of rewards and praise for his efforts. I still think Lees Fallen was a much better design, both in bot and tank mode, but DFs is pretty awsome as well.

News Credits: 3 · by **ShGarland_1383** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:43 pm

Down_Shift wrote:Hate to nit pick, but it's just "Fallen" and not "The Fallen" This Fallen and the much Dream Wave The Fallen are far and wide from each other... that goes down as the nerdiest thing I've ever said...

Whu.....?

Wasn't this the figure for the guy from War Within that was among the first 13 or whatever, who were created to protect Primus while in his Planet mode, only to betray them and go over to Unicron instead? Thought that was a Dream Wave story and that his name was "the Fallen".....

Agamemnon wrote:
Leonardo wrote:Does this toy of the Fallen mean that the Fallen is considered a canonical character?

I'm not sure Hasbro is at all concerned about canon

I'm not sure that they are either, but as we learn from Vector Prime the idea of the first 13 I was talking about before is at least cannon enough to get brought up in Cybertron (even if it was just to claim Vector Prime was among the first transformers created by Primus).

News Credits: 7 · by **shortround** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:26 pm

Gosh The fallen looks like a cross between magatron and armada Tidal Wave.

News Credits: 8 · by **Liege Evilmus** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:28 pm

What drove home me wanting Cheetor were the robot mode action picks, and your pics of a somehow reoccuring character finaly getting a decent design.

It was nice how you sealed it shut by standing him before all the crappy attempts prior.

The Fallen just looks cool!

News Credits: 2024 · by **Hotrod** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:57 pm

I think this version of Cheetor is the most cartoon accurate so far, that is another reason why I want him now. Plus I have started a bit of a Cheetor collection kick this past year

by **Darth Screamer** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:02 pm

83457W422102 wrote:Woah! Boss man, you gotta give yourself a break! Eat a sandwich and get some rest while we look at your galleries.

I'm not really digging either of these figures. Sorry, it's just me.

I like Cheetor a lot, but "the fallen" just seems a waste of space too me.

by **Megas XLR** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:14 pm

Yeah, great job Seibertron! Your newest galleries have been so awesome! Ironhide, Cheetor, and the Fallen are so cool! Keep on rolling out those galleries!

News Credits: 3597 · by **Seibertron** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:07 pm

Darth Screamer wrote:
83457W422102 wrote:Woah! Boss man, you gotta give yourself a break! Eat a sandwich and get some rest while we look at your galleries.

I'm not really digging either of these figures. Sorry, it's just me.

I like Cheetor a lot, but "the fallen" just seems a waste of space too me.

No, the gallery that is a waste of space is going to be posted before the end of the night.

News Credits: 2024 · by **Hotrod** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:20 pm

Seibertron wrote:
Darth Screamer wrote:
83457W422102 wrote:Woah! Boss man, you gotta give yourself a break! Eat a sandwich and get some rest while we look at your galleries.

I'm not really digging either of these figures. Sorry, it's just me.

I like Cheetor a lot, but "the fallen" just seems a waste of space too me.

No, the gallery that is a waste of space is going to be posted before the end of the night.

by **Khemical Prime** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:52 pm

The Fallen looks AWESOME and will be mine! :grin:

Cheetor is actually not bad, and if I ever see it for less than 12 bucks I'd probably pick it up.

It seems like the quality of these figures keeps improving as they go, especially after the GIJoe Megatron fiasco. Makes me extremely hopeful to see what the 6" Prowl and Grimlock molds look like.

by **updatedude** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:02 am

Got the Fallen recently, and I gotta say, he's rather good.

First, the bad stuff:

The threads on his back are floopy, and the right elbow on mine was a little too loose, but both were fixed with the application of a little clear nail polish.

Articulation wise, his knees don't seem to bend a full 90 degrees (I feel a lot of stress when I try to bend 'em, so I just leave 'em alone out of fear of breakage), and the size of his forearms restrict his elbows from bending fully in certain configurations.

There's also some QC issues with his arm cannons.

Now the good stuff:

Despite what's noted about, his articulation is actually quite complete.

Sculpt is cool, it's real "old school", almost Super Robot-ish. Additionally, the black is cool and he really does give off a nice fiery feel.

Overall, Fallen is definitely a good figure, and I'd recommend him. A-