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i don't really know where to post this people but since it has to do with customising and modding a figure i quess it could fit here.


i got 2 questions when it comes to lionizer

1. would it be possible to remold lionizer in such a way through the lion head and mane that the figure would instead be a gun that transforms into a bull?

say by lightly sanding down the lions mane ad if possible remold it through there by applying a light layer of sculpey molding a ring into iut's nose and a set of bull horns onto it's head. in addition to slightly remolding the lions paws into a set of hooves

2. woud it be possible to modify the figure in such a way that it could properly powerlink onto the front of energon kickbacks chest mounted energon star port with the bull acting as his main gun on the tank turrent assembly when kickback is in vehicle mode.

say by taking a dremilled down pointless autobot energon star and epoxygluing the front of it to the bulls rear end

or would the bull's hind legs keep it from properly transforming to gun mode due to the energon star on its butt.

the reason i am asking these 2 question people is because i believe i may have found a way to improve on
chaossonofsos's and tfmaster's take on the breastforce as t hey would exists when those 2 recreated the team as an seven member energon combiner team.

in the case of lioniser the bull would be paired up with kickback who was used for killbison while another lioniser i would modify by placeing a dremilled down autobot energon star between it's hind legs on the underside of its body.

with this second lioniser being paired up with afterbruner who tfmaster and chaos both used for leozak.


basicly people this would be a an attempt on my part to make every effort at recreating all seven members of the japanese breastforce combiner team in addition to their breastplate animal partners and their merged form of liokaiser

1 would pare catgut with jaruga with gaihawk and hellbat getting skeets and a skeets remolded as a bat.

while the bull would be paired up with killbison and drillhorn would be paired up with top heavy

As I've said, I'm sure it'd be vastly easier to use Top-Heavy than Lionizer; if you want to recreate a bison, a rhino has much closer proportions than a cat. In addition, I'm not sure you'd be able to easily add the horns without obstructing his transformation; you'd probably have to carve out a small section inside his torso to allow for them.
As far as mounting them as a tank cannon, it may be possible, but I don't think it's the legs that would pose the problem, as they can be easily posed out of the way. Your issue would be with the tail, which acts as the trigger to transform to gun mode, and in either case sticks out of the back.
You'd probably be far better off coming up with a different solution for the cannon barrel and mounting the partner as an extra 'sidearm' on the top.

And this here is why you really don't need to go through all the hassle of trying to turn a falcon (Sights) into a bat...

http://www.tfu.info/1990/Decepticon/Sou ... ndwave.htm

As for the combiner, do you have any hints on how you intend to make it work? And do you intend to make it a seven-part combiner or a six-part combiner with seven members? Remember there were only ever six members at any one time; someone (was it Gaihawk or Hellbat?) was drafted in after Deathcobra was killed.

who's Lionizer and Top-Heavy? they're not listed on TFU.info

for drill horn i am using a heavily modified constructicon maximus crane truck figure with its back feet being replaced by a set of minicon drills, its lower legs having a set of front treads superglued onto the outer side of each lower leg and its chest piece being completely replaced by the tank turrent from a bruticus maximus tank limb figure.

its head will be salvaged from a classics hot rod junker figure. but with its forhead being sanded down to make room for a stylised central rhino horn with the the outer horns on hotrods forehead serving as a set of stylised rhino ears for the helmit.


drillhorn will have his arms swapped around ath the shoulder joints with the figurs back serving as the front of his body in robot mode so that he does not look entirely like killbison who will be made from a bruticus maximus tank limb figure. drillhorn will be partnered with skyfalls target master rhino topheavy

as for killbison energon kickback is a dead ringer for him in vehicle mode.

as for the robot mode other then giving kickbacks head a faceplate and a set of stylelised curing horns through the forehead that's all that i believe would be neccesary to fully convert kickback to killbison other then a animation accurate paintjob.



for gaihawk i will use a stealth fighter jet lim form superion maximus.

the heads upper forhead from the upper edge of the optics to the top of the forehead will be remolded to give it a stylised hawk beak.

he will be paired up with wing thing and will be sporting a set of energon scyths made from the thumbs, hands, middle fingers, and outward finger of 2 bruticus maximus gun hands each of which will be missing a figure so that death cobra has a set of long range laser cannons that double as landing skids.

as for death cobra he will be made from a bruticus maximus helicoptor figure with it sporting the robot head from a a10 warthog superion maximus figure.

i am not yet sure what i will use for his animal targetmaster partner.

for one possibility maybe that scorpion that action master devastator came with but with the scorpions tail sporting a king cobra style head and neck on its end . think bw quickstrike for that one people.

for jaruga i will use cybertron clocker since he has a good resemblance to jaruga i ncvehicle mode but with the clockers body sporting the robot head salvaged from a terrorcon battle ravage figure for jaruga's head

he will be paired up with catgut.


as for hellbat he will be made form a stealth fighter jet superion maximus limb but with the figures robot mode sporting a trimmed down terrorcon laserbeack robot head. as for the laserbeak energon weapons they will serve as a set of swords each of which will have a nob handel built into it over the powerling port so that they can mount on his rear wings as a set of long range laser cannons or he can also combine the swords to become a serrated rasor edged z styl boomerange.


as for leozak he will be made form energon afterburner but with superion maximus's head being replaced with armada skywarps head since it has a faceplate with those vents molded into it.

the skywarp head will be grindeded down all the way to the top edge of skywarps optics with the the head face and upperjaw and back head piece form an alternators ravage figure being mounted into place on top of skywarps optics

leozak will be partnered with lionizer.

i am considering using a transmetal rattrap tail whip minus its tail tip with the rat tail being dissasembled into two equal length tail halves with one end of each tail being remolded to have a decent snake head built onto it and with either snake serving as a lading skid for deathcobra in vehicle mode a set of whips or boe staffs for him in robot mode or with the 2 snakes combining to become an even longer snake.

as for liokaiser this would serve as his multijointed rope, wip, staff weapon.

i am setting the two stealth jets up in theri arm configuration and am using a set of remolded alternator bluestreak hands with the balljoints being sanded flat and the hands at the wrist rod bein g remolded to properly fit into the udnerside of gaihawks or hellbats feet so that as a set of arms liokaiser has a set of decent hans as well. a couple coat of super glue and they plug in real nice and tight into the under side of either arm figures foot.in order to give liokaiser that shoulder wing armori just set the rear tailfins on each arm jet up on top of the combiner socket port in to give liokaiser thatlook through the shoulders. i got rhodimus vts to thak for that mod.

RavageX-9 wrote:who's Lionizer and Top-Heavy? they're not listed on TFU.info

Lionizer is is the targetmaster partner of Actionmaster Rad, Top Heavy belongs to Actionmaster Skyfall

Roadblasters short shorts wrote:

RavageX-9 wrote:who's Lionizer and Top-Heavy? they're not listed on TFU.info

Lionizer is is the targetmaster partner of Actionmaster Rad, Top Heavy belongs to Actionmaster Skyfall

ahhhhh. man, talk about obscure. damned TFU.info didn't have separate listings for those partners, yet they do for all Mini-Con partners.

while a rhino might be closer to a buffalo than a cat, I don't think these actionmaster partners vary that much other than the legs, and a buffalo would have thinner legs than the rhino, but shorter legs than the cat. (also closer together front-to-back. that cat's legs are really spread out)
won't they be kinda large for basic figures to hold?
won't Classics Rodimus's head be too large to put on a basic figure?

actually classics hot ord's head fits just fine on drillhorns body.

as for death cobra he is included as a swap out limb to replace hellbat from time to time.

all in all i'm avtually quite proud of how the group came out.

the real bitch is gonna be painting all seven members up in a animation accurate colorscheme.

and yeah i suspose your right on the basics matter man.
for now the animals would be used as hunting partners with any one of the animal partners linking up to liokaiser as a heavy duty laser cannon for his lower arms or at least that's the idea i am going with for the time being.

at the very least i want the animal partners for drillhorn and killbison to link up as the main gun for them in vehicle mode.

heres the parts list people.

for drillhorn

constructicon maximus crane truck figure for main body
rear feet lose the front outer trianguler half and remove cranes chest from the fornt of its upper body sand down raised central part on front of cranes upper body and fill hole in with sculpey.

arctic minicon drills plus arm piece x2 fill arm piece in with sculpey while constantly turning drill piece to insure it can still spin freely after sculpey sets do this for each drill.
position epoxy glue onto rear feet stumps as replacement feet extensions..

classics megatron's front treadsx2
sand down top panel on treads
position on sides of crane trucks rear legs over front wheels

bruticus maximus tank limb dual rotating base tank turrentx1
sand screw hole nub off bottom set up in robot mod and epoxy glue to front of crane trucks upper body.

me i go so far as to swap the arms around so that the cranes back in robot mode serves as the front of drillhorns robot mode.

classics hotrod head x1

drill centered hole in bottom fill with sculpey fit onto rivit pin then fill with a drop of suepr glue and set back on top of pin.

went with his head because the horns on his forehead can pass for a set of styleised rhino ears for the helmit with a bit of a sand down job to hot rods central forhead between the horns and a slight remold job to give it that central rhino horn piece. the sand down job makes it so that the horn does not get ruined when the head folds up into the chest in vehicle mode.

thats pretty much it for drillhorn.

kill bison.

1 bruticus maximus limb figure

slight remodl to robot head to give it that set of curved horns and slight remold to robot face to give it face plate.

energon foot piece x2

take one energon foot and the weapon from cybertron clocker

fillin radar dish with sculpey and set clockers gun into place in a backward position. you want to just plug clockers gun right down into the sculpey and in doing so make a set of perfectly sized perfectly spaced apart holes. then just remove clockers gun a couple of times as the sculpey sets.

since i used clockers body for jaruga and since killbisons gun merges with jarugas gun i figure that gun combination could be recreated using the energon gun from a tank limb figure and clockers gun as well to recreate the merged gun for liokasier.

thats pretty much it for killbison remold wise.

Silverbolt, Sculpy doesn't air harden. It needs to be baked. If you want something that will air harden, I would suggest using Milliput. It is a clay-like two-part epoxy putty which cures within a few hours without baking. once cured, it is rock hard.

Yeah Milliput is a much better choice, that or Green Stuff if you can find it. I know both are sold online at alot of hobby sites. Need to put in another order of Green Stuff myself.

You should also be able to find them at your local hobby store.

trust me people it hardens when i work with it but i figure that has to do with the fact that i apply a few drops of superglue into the stuff before i kneed it together in my hands.

a few drops to the entire outer laywer once i am done working with it let air dry and bam hard as a rock. the stuff just won't break when i work with it like that.

Sounds like your basically making a low grade homebrew two part epoxy out of it. Sculpey is a polymer putty so mixing superglue with it does probably make it stronger when it air dries, but unless your using a fairly large amount its still not going to cure properly without heat. Without a proper cure the sculpey will start to break down and separate over time. Not to mention that its more likely to be effected by temperature and humidity causing fluctuations in shape even after it dries. If you feel it will work go for it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it starts coming off the part within a few months or simply starts to crumble.

Which is a problem your not going to have with the Milliput or the Green Stuff.