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Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:53 pm

I had not seen that movie since I was little. I forgot what a good movie that was. That one is my favorite out of the Alien movies.

News Credits: 21 · Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:11 pm

Yes Aliens was indeed the best of the four.

Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:46 pm

Thank you for reminding me to see that series. I finished watching Predators 1+2, (2 is better, since the predator gets straight into action rather than the slow buildup of the first) and now i want to see the alien trilogy. (I'm gonna take my friend's advice and pretend resurection didn't happen.)

Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:58 pm

Alien 3 was horrible too. I was excited to see it when it first came out. I was so disappointed.

News Credits: 21 · Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:02 pm

I honestly like AVP:R. It did something we don't see in most horror films and that's kill kids and a pregnant woman., and when I saw that I was just like whoa!

News Credits: 6 · Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:48 pm

I hated AvP:R more than any movie I have ever seen.

Anyway, I sat down and tried to design a Queen Alien that turns into Beast Wars Season 1 Megatron today, but ran into a snag - she's too frickin scrawny.

I need to try again later when I have a picture to work off of, and maybe consider abandoning the Season 1 transformation.

Also, watched Terminator 2 (sort of in the same genre) the other night, and had forgotten that parts of it are actually pretty good. Also never realized before that the computer scientist is Henry on Eureka.

Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:22 pm

Autobot420 wrote:I honestly like AVP:R. It did something we don't see in most horror films and that's kill kids and a pregnant woman., and when I saw that I was just like whoa!

I agree, it didn't hold back the violence, and made the aliens seem more dangerous and evil that way.

News Credits: 1 · Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:22 am

Caelus wrote:Also, watched Terminator 2 (sort of in the same genre) the other night, and had forgotten that parts of it are actually pretty good. Also never realized before that the computer scientist is Henry on Eureka.

Pretty good?

T2 ruled!

News Credits: 34 · Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:32 am

Oh man... I can't choose. I love Alien for it's horror/haunted house feel since it's insanely scary. But I love Aliens for it's sci-fi action.

Can't go wrong with either.

I rewatched Alien3 not too long ago. Good looking film, it totally has the David Fincher look and edits. But you can tell they were going through the motions with the story.

I rented AVP: Requiem a few months ago and hated it. Mostly because it was too dark; I had to turn up the brightness on my computer to see anything (was it like that in the theaters or was it a bad transfer?) :CON:

News Credits: 767 · Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:40 am

Yea it's awesome, but I can ever eat Hot dogs again!

I just love this series I started to collect the Neca alien toys I think they just look so awesome.

Yea AVPR had it's awesome moments, although I did wanted to see how the chest burster exited the little kid.....
My favorite line:

"See there is no monster in the garden!"
They blatantly stole that from Jurassic Park 2 but they made it a little more awesome.

Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:46 am

Supreme Convoy wrote:I rented AVP: Requiem a few months ago and hated it. Mostly because it was too dark; I had to turn up the brightness on my computer to see anything (was it like that in the theaters or was it a bad transfer?)

No, it was like that in the theater. I hated AVP:R. The chest-burster in the kid didn't faze me so much, but when the alien regarded the nursery like a smorgasbord, I wanted to walk out. (I have a baby, one that was 2 months old when I saw the movie. THOSE things faze me. Thinking about a whole nursery of babies being eaten apart by an alien made my skin crawl.)

The other thing that bothered me was they had this Predalien, which was a fantastic idea, and did nothing with it. Yeah, it was faster, stronger, etc. etc. but come on. That's it? *I* could have written that! What an anticlimax.

Anyway, I'm probably one of the few who enjoyed the Predator movies more than the Alien ones, and I can't really explain why either.

News Credits: 767 · Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:52 am

The thing with the nursery is this it's a horror movie. All the Alien movies kept kicking up the grade of shock.
They killed all those baby because it's a terrible thing to do it triggers our emotions and shows us just of terrible those creatures are.

News Credits: 6 · Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:22 am

Dead Metal wrote:The thing with the nursery is this it's a horror movie. All the Alien movies kept kicking up the grade of shock.
They killed all those baby because it's a terrible thing to do it triggers our emotions and shows us just of terrible those creatures are.

Actually I found the attempt to shock me to be kind of petty.

A bengal tiger or two wolverines could clear out a maternity ward just as easily, so all it really showed me was how desperate the writer was to provoke a reaction. It crossed a line that really shouldn't be crossed, and I didn't really think it achieved anything by doing so. Wow, the alien carnivore ate a baby when presented with the opportunity. There's a surprise.

Wiping out the armed troops was far more impressive, but still poorly executed.

And also the amazing mass-shifting spaceship annoyed me.

News Credits: 767 · Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:28 am

Caelus wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:The thing with the nursery is this it's a horror movie. All the Alien movies kept kicking up the grade of shock.
They killed all those baby because it's a terrible thing to do it triggers our emotions and shows us just of terrible those creatures are.

Actually I found the attempt to shock me to be kind of petty.

A bengal tiger or two wolverines could clear out a maternity ward just as easily, so all it really showed me was how desperate the writer was to provoke a reaction. It crossed a line that really shouldn't be crossed, and I didn't really think it achieved anything by doing so. Wow, the alien carnivore ate a baby when presented with the opportunity. There's a surprise.

The thing is people had the same reaction as they saw the first Alien movie, with the chest burster at that time that was a very wrong thing, who knows maybe in a few years from now it's going to be a normal and boring thing wen a creature eats babys in a movie.

News Credits: 6 · Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:41 am

I already found it boring this time around, just also pointless and tacky.

I suppose the problem is I went to see a scary movie and what I got was simply a repugnant one. They took the scariest creature in movie history and plunked it down in the middle of an environment I actually I can relate to, and yet... nothing. No hairs standing on end, no jumping out of my seat. When it ate the babies and impregnated the women it didn't scare me, it just made me sad.

If I wanted to be sad I'd watch a chick-flick.

So yeah, that's pretty much what it comes down to - AvP:R was Steel Magnolias with bile.

News Credits: 767 · Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:45 am

I blame movies like Saw and Hostel that just consist of splatter and disgust.
And besides the original Alien movies were scarier as they were in their own setting. In the AVP franchise they had to adapted to the Predator movies meaning action instead of horror taking away much of their former greatness. I just wish they would hurry it up with Alien 5.

News Credits: 21 · Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:52 am

I don't care what anyone says about AVP:R , that movie was 10x better than the first AVP.

Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:22 pm

Dead Metal wrote:The thing with the nursery is this it's a horror movie. All the Alien movies kept kicking up the grade of shock.
They killed all those baby because it's a terrible thing to do it triggers our emotions and shows us just of terrible those creatures are.

It made me uncomfortable to watch the movie. I felt disgusted, but in the bad way, not the enjoy-a-horror-movie way. I thought, this is where we're going with movies? We're really crossing this line?

I know it's not the first time a kid has been killed in a movie (and I've been desensitized to that by now...), but still.... Yeah, I know people say it's realistic. And it is. An alien wouldn't pass up a baby. But there are some areas I'd like movies not to cross. I don't want to rehash a discussion that was already made when the movie came out, since the topic was originally about the awesomeness of Aliens :!:

, but I've discussed it in other forums and I know there are two camps on it. I think I'm always going to be in this one.

Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:32 pm

I am glad I found out about this now instead of sitting down to watch it and seeing babies get eaten. I am the type of person that it would really bother me. I never bothered to watch the other
Alien movies after I saw Alien 3. A prision colony is the best they could come up with and that was after they killed everyone but Ripley :roll:

Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:39 pm

Me, Grimlock! wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:The thing with the nursery is this it's a horror movie. All the Alien movies kept kicking up the grade of shock.
They killed all those baby because it's a terrible thing to do it triggers our emotions and shows us just of terrible those creatures are.

It made me uncomfortable to watch the movie. I felt disgusted, but in the bad way, not the enjoy-a-horror-movie way. I thought, this is where we're going with movies? We're really crossing this line?

I know it's not the first time a kid has been killed in a movie (and I've been desensitized to that by now...), but still.... Yeah, I know people say it's realistic. And it is. An alien wouldn't pass up a baby. But there are some areas I'd like movies not to cross. I don't want to rehash a discussion that was already made when the movie came out, since the topic was originally about the awesomeness of Aliens , but I've discussed it in other forums and I know there are two camps on it. I think I'm always going to be in this one.

I agree. I think it wasn't that it was shocking, but rather a very cheap way to offend or entertain the audience (something the original AlIEN films NEVER did. They earned every scare by superior film-making, set design and pacing, not to mention an impeccable score for ALIEN). And besides, an Alien killing a baby on instinct is one thing, its another thing entirely for AVP:R to portray a scene where a Predalien (such a stupid concept) comes up with a new way of breeding that actually doesn't make any sense, felt forced into the film solely to add a highly offensive and gross scene and was too deliberate to fall under the instinctive killing machine category.

Besides, the Predators were honorable hunters that WOULD NOT kill a pregnant woman and impregnate her with its own breed.

That movie was a just a big giant fail on every conceivable level.

News Credits: 6 · Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:43 pm

Missourisnowflakes wrote:I am glad I found out about this now instead of sitting down to watch it and seeing babies get eaten.

To be fair, they didn't actually show the babies getting eaten. They did show the pregnant women consumed however, and I don't remember if they actually showed the kid hunting with his dad die, or just show him attacked by the facehugger.

And sometimes crossing the line can be a good thing from a character development stand point. Anakin killing the women and children at the Tusken camp, and then the younglings at the Jedi temple, had to be the best example of this ever, since you had this good, moral man doing this utterly reprehensible act. It really drove home the fact that he wasn't just on the wrong side, he was on the dark side.

And similarly, the horseman killing the little kid in Sleepy Hollow played up the villainy of his mistress, who really was willing to cross any line to get what she wanted..

The aliens however are just animals. There's no character development involved, so it just came off as a cheap stab to make the movie seem edgier.

Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:49 pm

Caelus wrote:
The aliens however are just animals. There's no character development involved, so it just came off as a cheap stab to make the movie seem edgier.

Exactly.

Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:50 pm

Caelus wrote:I don't remember if they actually showed the kid hunting with his dad die, or just show him attacked by the facehugger.

IIRC, they showed him having stomach pangs, half-keeling over, and then the scene went black as he screamed and you heard it rip out. But I haven't paid attention to that movie since January.

Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:05 pm

IMO the biggest problem with the AVP movies is they have to have humans in it. They would be great on another planet where the aliens and predators are hunting each other. Maybe in a Documentary style with a narator. Ok cue March of the Predator jokes: now.