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Postby Deathknell » Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:45 pm

I've been really blown away by the Alternator Reskins that many of you have done. What scale Car Models are you guys using? I'm assuming the standard 1:25 scale models?
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Postby gawd6sic6 » Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:08 am

1/25th or 1/24th....... you can make either work... some better than others....
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Postby rhinox555 » Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:35 am

I'll remember this,it can come in handy.
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Postby rhinox555 » Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:12 pm

Checked hasbro.com,they use 1/24 scaled cars for alternators
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Postby Ramrider » Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:13 pm

Yeah, 1:24 is the standard Alternator scale (it says as much on the boxes). But sometimes when reshelling, people will use 1:25 scale cars - particularly when they're reshelling especially big cars - just because they fit the TF bodies better.
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Postby jimsloth » Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:54 pm

Ramrider wrote:Yeah, 1:24 is the standard Alternator scale (it says as much on the boxes). But sometimes when reshelling, people will use 1:25 scale cars - particularly when they're reshelling especially big cars - just because they fit the TF bodies better.

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Postby Deathknell » Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:33 pm

Well I've got an old 1:25 ERTL 280z Turbo model. I've also got an extra Alternators Silverstreak on it's way from Ebay. This is going to be my first reskin...well first KBash TF for that matter. I build alot of scale models and am pretty handy with the Dremel and Xacto so I'm not expecting too many problems. We'll see how things go! Hopefully I'll have an Alternators Bluestreak by the end of the summer.

PS..got any ideas what to do with a Polar Lights Ecto-1?
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Postby TFLobo » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:12 pm

This might help ya out! It's a little write-up I did for the help thread at TFW2005.

Best of luck! Make sure you post lots of WIP pics. :D

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Re-shelling an Alternator

First thing you want to think about is the Alt mode. What kind of car do you want? Is there a model kit available?

This is the resource I use to check on kits.

Tower Hobbies

They have a huge selection of plastic kits from just about every manufacturer. You don’t have to buy it from them but it’ll give you a good idea if a kit even exists. If you can’t find it there, try eBay. Usually older kits can be found there. Whatever kits you find, make sure they’re 1:24 or 1:25 scale.

The next thing you want to think about is how you want the bot mode to look? What Alternator are you going to use for the bash? Typically, the re-shelled bot will look very similar to the original Alternator unless you make some major modifications. Also take into consideration how the models body will line up with the Alternator. Certain things like wheelbase and width can be adjusted as necessary but that’ll take some extra work and ingenuity.

Tools you want to have can bee seen here:

Customizing Tools

It’s also a good idea to have some styrene available. Get different sizes like 0.01” to 0.06” and tube styrene that fits inside each other. This can be used for making new pins and filling in large gaps.


Now, here are the steps I usually take:

1.) Cut extra parts of the model out such as the doors and hood. But leave as much of the body as structurally sound as you can. Don’t worry about cutting it into parts for the bot mode. I find this best as opposed to cutting for the transformation lines right away because it will lead to a much cleaner looking car mode in the end.

To do this I generally use an Exacto knife and run the blade along the panel lines. Keep scraping away at it until it cuts through. This takes a lot of time depending on how thick the plastic is. Just be patient and watch out for your fingers!

2.) Transform the Alternator in car mode and line up the model kit with it. When you line them up, line up the dashboards as opposed to the wheels. Typically on Alternators, the dashboard is where all the action is. The door, windshield, hood and head mounts usually stem from there. It makes for a much better looking bot mode.

When you line them up, get an idea of how you’re going to glue on the model. Most likely you’ll have to cut up the Alternator to the point where it no longer looks like a car but you want to keep as much as possible for a good bond. Also make sure you won’t be completely losing major pins like where the leg connects to the foot on Smokescreen.

3.) After you figure it all out, it’s time to start tearing apart the Alternator. First thing you want to do is use a small screwdriver and take off anything that can be removed and is not neceaasary. Like trunk pieces, doors, roof, anything you can. On a side note, save everything! You never know when you might need it again! Those little black screws that are found on almost every Alternator are like gold!

Also, unless you want to keep the original Alternator rims, this is a good time to remove them. Look here for help on that.

Pin Removal

After all that, it’s time to start cutting up the Alt. Best thing for this that I’ve found is a Dremel with a sanding drum. It’ll cut through an Alt like butter. When doing this, the most important thing to watch out for is not to remove too much. Cut off a little, check the fit with the model body, repeat as necessary. Keep doing that until you have a good fit and the model can easily be glued to the Alt.

4.) Glue the model body to the Alternator (in car mode). For this I use either Super Glue Gel or JB Weld Kwik. Make sure you pick out glue points beforehand that won’t impede on transformation later.

5.) After the glue has set up, it’s time to cut the transformation lines on the body. Use an Exacto Razor Saw or a Jewelers Saw for this to give a nice, clean, straight line. Don’t use the Dremel! Just take your time! Cut out for all major transformation break lines. If the line isn’t exactly straight or you can’t use the saw, use an Exacto knife like before. Transform the Alternator into bot mode just to make sure everything lines up and works ok. Now is also a good time to fill in any gaps between the model body and Alternator with Super Glue gel.

6.) Now comes the hard part! Refitting the doors, hood, etc. This really all comes down to re-engineering everything. Most likely the parts won’t line up exactly and mounts will have to be relocated. Typically I try and keep the original hinge portion intact, attach it to model kit inner door, and relocate it appropriately on the Alternator. To make sliding doors, I usually glue a small 4-40 bolt inside the models outer door and cut a slot in the inner door. Then put a nut on the bolt. This makes a easy sliding door that can be tensioned by hand during transformation.

Some items might need new hinges. This can be done by either using model aircraft hinges or making completely new ones out of styrene.

7.) The next part is all the detail work. Add anything extra on the car body that you want to add as well as a new head for the bot.

Transform the Alternator a few times to make sure all kinks are worked out before you paint. Fix any problems now.

8.) Last part’s paint and decals.


Done!

Always remember that there’s a wealth of knowledge on the boards. Ask questions if you get stuck.

A few examples of WIP reshells can be found here:

Jaf’s MP Jazz

Lobo’s Alt Grapple

Lobo’s Alt Kup
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Postby Lord_Loqi » Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:45 am

I used a 1:25 scale model for my batmobile last year. It's the only scale the model came in ha ha ha.
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Postby rhinox555 » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:29 am

My mother asked me to make an Opel astra,but which bot shall i use :?:
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Postby evilratbat » Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:09 pm

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hmmm jazz alt to use due to the length of the bonnet or silverstreak you would be able to pull it off but it maybe me but it seems smaller on the front then a subura
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Postby rhinox555 » Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:58 pm

Woops i ment Opel Kadett. (70's styled)
Which one best fits the Opel C Kadett?
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Postby evilratbat » Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:21 am

grimlock mould then
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Postby Deathknell » Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:25 pm

Anybody out there got an Alternators Silverstreak they are willing to part with?! I keep gettin outbid on EBAY!!! :evil: I knew I should have bought that one when it came out. Love the character but not a big fan of the Subaru body. Hence the coming project to skin him with an old Datsun 280Z.
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Postby evilratbat » Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:51 pm

i thought about doing a datsun before but never found the Kit to do it or it was at silly prices at the time second thought i heard that riccohet was in the sales over in the us wouldnt that work its the same mould
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Postby Deathknell » Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:38 pm

Well i'm sure that would work. I really wanted the Silverstreak as the color scheme for his bot mode would not really need much tweeking. I got a old Datsun 280 model on Ebay for 5 bucks!! The local hoby shop I shop at said they had one but never delivered on the deal. Still I think I got a better deal on Ebay.

Anyways I've got a bid in on another Silverstreak. The bid is at $40 right now. Kinda pricy but then I considered that some of you guys take your MP Primes apart so I guess $40 bucks in the long run isn't too bad. Especially since the Datsun model was only $5.

I'll keep looking at TRUS, Kaybe, and Target hoping to find one that someone forgot about. We'll see. The pieces of the puzzle are slowly falling into place.
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Postby Deathknell » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:30 pm

Deathknell wrote:Well i'm sure that would work. I really wanted the Silverstreak as the color scheme for his bot mode would not really need much tweeking. I got a old Datsun 280 model on Ebay for 5 bucks!! The local hoby shop I shop at said they had one but never delivered on the deal. Still I think I got a better deal on Ebay.

Anyways I've got a bid in on another Silverstreak. The bid is at $40 right now. Kinda pricy but then I considered that some of you guys take your MP Primes apart so I guess $40 bucks in the long run isn't too bad. Especially since the Datsun model was only $5.

I'll keep looking at TRUS, Kaybe, and Target hoping to find one that someone forgot about. We'll see. The pieces of the puzzle are slowly falling into place.


WOO HOO...Finally got the Silverstreak! And for $20!! Feel alot better about that than the $40 one. Bluestreak is a go!
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Postby Nightscreech » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:38 am

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TFLobo wrote:This might help ya out! It's a little write-up I did for the help thread at TFW2005.

Best of luck! Make sure you post lots of WIP pics. :D

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Re-shelling an Alternator

First thing you want to think about is the Alt mode. What kind of car do you want? Is there a model kit available?

This is the resource I use to check on kits.

Tower Hobbies

They have a huge selection of plastic kits from just about every manufacturer. You don’t have to buy it from them but it’ll give you a good idea if a kit even exists. If you can’t find it there, try eBay. Usually older kits can be found there. Whatever kits you find, make sure they’re 1:24 or 1:25 scale.

The next thing you want to think about is how you want the bot mode to look? What Alternator are you going to use for the bash? Typically, the re-shelled bot will look very similar to the original Alternator unless you make some major modifications. Also take into consideration how the models body will line up with the Alternator. Certain things like wheelbase and width can be adjusted as necessary but that’ll take some extra work and ingenuity.

Tools you want to have can bee seen here:

Customizing Tools

It’s also a good idea to have some styrene available. Get different sizes like 0.01” to 0.06” and tube styrene that fits inside each other. This can be used for making new pins and filling in large gaps.


Now, here are the steps I usually take:

1.) Cut extra parts of the model out such as the doors and hood. But leave as much of the body as structurally sound as you can. Don’t worry about cutting it into parts for the bot mode. I find this best as opposed to cutting for the transformation lines right away because it will lead to a much cleaner looking car mode in the end.

To do this I generally use an Exacto knife and run the blade along the panel lines. Keep scraping away at it until it cuts through. This takes a lot of time depending on how thick the plastic is. Just be patient and watch out for your fingers!

2.) Transform the Alternator in car mode and line up the model kit with it. When you line them up, line up the dashboards as opposed to the wheels. Typically on Alternators, the dashboard is where all the action is. The door, windshield, hood and head mounts usually stem from there. It makes for a much better looking bot mode.

When you line them up, get an idea of how you’re going to glue on the model. Most likely you’ll have to cut up the Alternator to the point where it no longer looks like a car but you want to keep as much as possible for a good bond. Also make sure you won’t be completely losing major pins like where the leg connects to the foot on Smokescreen.

3.) After you figure it all out, it’s time to start tearing apart the Alternator. First thing you want to do is use a small screwdriver and take off anything that can be removed and is not neceaasary. Like trunk pieces, doors, roof, anything you can. On a side note, save everything! You never know when you might need it again! Those little black screws that are found on almost every Alternator are like gold!

Also, unless you want to keep the original Alternator rims, this is a good time to remove them. Look here for help on that.

Pin Removal

After all that, it’s time to start cutting up the Alt. Best thing for this that I’ve found is a Dremel with a sanding drum. It’ll cut through an Alt like butter. When doing this, the most important thing to watch out for is not to remove too much. Cut off a little, check the fit with the model body, repeat as necessary. Keep doing that until you have a good fit and the model can easily be glued to the Alt.

4.) Glue the model body to the Alternator (in car mode). For this I use either Super Glue Gel or JB Weld Kwik. Make sure you pick out glue points beforehand that won’t impede on transformation later.

5.) After the glue has set up, it’s time to cut the transformation lines on the body. Use an Exacto Razor Saw or a Jewelers Saw for this to give a nice, clean, straight line. Don’t use the Dremel! Just take your time! Cut out for all major transformation break lines. If the line isn’t exactly straight or you can’t use the saw, use an Exacto knife like before. Transform the Alternator into bot mode just to make sure everything lines up and works ok. Now is also a good time to fill in any gaps between the model body and Alternator with Super Glue gel.

6.) Now comes the hard part! Refitting the doors, hood, etc. This really all comes down to re-engineering everything. Most likely the parts won’t line up exactly and mounts will have to be relocated. Typically I try and keep the original hinge portion intact, attach it to model kit inner door, and relocate it appropriately on the Alternator. To make sliding doors, I usually glue a small 4-40 bolt inside the models outer door and cut a slot in the inner door. Then put a nut on the bolt. This makes a easy sliding door that can be tensioned by hand during transformation.

Some items might need new hinges. This can be done by either using model aircraft hinges or making completely new ones out of styrene.

7.) The next part is all the detail work. Add anything extra on the car body that you want to add as well as a new head for the bot.

Transform the Alternator a few times to make sure all kinks are worked out before you paint. Fix any problems now.

8.) Last part’s paint and decals.


Done!

Always remember that there’s a wealth of knowledge on the boards. Ask questions if you get stuck.

A few examples of WIP reshells can be found here:

Jaf’s MP Jazz

Lobo’s Alt Grapple

Lobo’s Alt Kup


Cheers for the info, im thinking of doing a SAAB or COmmodore Reshell
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Re: Alternator reskins...

Postby PowerEncarnate » Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:51 pm

has anyone done a back to the future delorian? i would love to see it i dont want 1 but it would be a cool fig to see

Im womdering if anyone has used the alt figs to do a set of cartoon acurate MP Stunticons?
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