The Energon Pub

Just because the G1 cartoon didn't show Rumble and Frenzy sneaking off into the back of the Decepticon base and repainting themselves in the other's colours every five minutes, doesn't mean it didn't happen!

PLEASE!

The G1 cartoon Ultra Magnus didn't have a white Prime inside armour, he was a car transporter who changed into a big robot. Simple! Until Dreamwave, I'd never even considered we'd see the white cab portion of UM get presented in fiction as anything.

Now, as to a potential Masterpiece Ultra Magnus:

I don't care if the white cab can become a robot on it's own or not. I like the idea of the Titanium toy having used something more like the cartoon transformation, and would like the same accuracy and attention to detail in an MP Magnus as we've seen in the other recent MPs. That said, I appreciate the toy accuracy aspect of things as well, and don't see why an Ultra Magnus Masterpiece using the cab as a white Prime base for armour to pop onto would necessarily be a bad thing. It'd mean the two would be comparable in size in vehicle mode. It'd mean that MP Magnus would be larger than Optimus in robot mode. It'd potentially mean a reduced price in comparison to engineering a completely new toy that transformed in a different way, but I'm sure it would still be pretty pricey.

Bascially, I'm good either way the toy transforms so long as it has a good vehicle mode and a good robot mode. If there's a third, smaller robot mode, it's no skin off my nose.

zodconvoy wrote:How about this: I want a white Optimus underneath. That is the way I want it. That is the only way I want it. I hope that Takara releases it with the armor and Hasbro doesn't. I want both on my Magnus shelf. Magnus as a white version of Optimus has is canon in both Dreamwave and IDW (read Megatron Origins again) and even the toy made for Armada/Energon had a little dude that plugged into the armor. He wasn't an Optimus but still, dude in armor. Even in RiD, the very first time he wwasn't an OP repaint and Magnus was his own character, he became armor for Optimus to wear!

Plus how cool is this?


How cool was it when you first saw it? I'd still buy a poster of this image without the logos on it! Magnus=White Optimus, Ultra Magnus=White Optimus in Armor. It's just the way it should be!

It's pretty cool, but the idw one, was just an easter egg. IDW Ultra Magnus proper is an own entity.

Dead Metal wrote:It's pretty cool, but the idw one, was just an easter egg. IDW Ultra Magnus proper is an own entity.

Durrrr, but only from what we've seen so far! Maybe inside the armour is a little white robot with Vince McMahon's face screaming "It was me Austin! It was me all along!"

craggy wrote:Just because the G1 cartoon didn't show Rumble and Frenzy sneaking off into the back of the Decepticon base and repainting themselves in the other's colours every five minutes, doesn't mean it didn't happen!

PLEASE!

That's a very inaccurate analogy, and a lot more far fetched.

craggy wrote:The G1 cartoon Ultra Magnus didn't have a white Prime inside armour, he was a car transporter who changed into a big robot. Simple! Until Dreamwave, I'd never even considered we'd see the white cab portion of UM get presented in fiction as anything.

I mean no offense, and I'm not trying to be insulting by saying this, but ignorance of the possibility don't make it false. Just because you never considered it don't mean it wasn't canon.

craggy wrote:Durrrr, but only from what we've seen so far! Maybe inside the armour is a little white robot with Vince McMahon's face screaming "It was me Austin! It was me all along!"

Now that logic don't have any bearing on anything. What is your purpose of even saying that? As an insult?

Just because you disagree with something don't mean you can act that childish. I know I'm calling someone out for being childish on a message board about kid's toys, but still...

orangeitis wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:Yes but Masterpiece is now gearing towards cartoon accuracy. It started with Rodimus Prime and Optimus Prime and now with Sideswipe, Red Alert, Laserbeak and Soundwave. Cartoon accurate Ultra Magnus has a white cab but it incorporates into the trailer only, no white Prime inside.

Sigh. I'm repeating these points for the 10th time. But it seems they still need repeated.

#1: Just because the "White Optimus" underneath the Magnus armor wasn't shown in the G1 cartoon don't mean it wasn't there.

#2: The Masterpiece line isn't just going for cartoon-accuracy. Though that IS the focus, it don't encompass the entirety of the figure. Like fenrir72 pointed out, the ion rifle stores in MP-10's back like in the DW comics.

Besides, what is this fear of the white Optimus being the base for MP Ultra Magnus anyway? Do you know for a fact that it'll hamper engineering? Do you know it'll make the proportions goofy, or limit poseability? No offense, but I think this is all paranoia to be honest, and if Magnus's true form(yeah, I said it ) does indeed show up as the base with the trailer armor for his next MP incarnation, it don't matter one bit. Transform him from truck mode right into armored mode like in the cartoon. No harm whatsoever.

1# Let me counter your argument, the animators never showed the inner white robot so maybe it didn't exist to them.

2# The rifle transformation gimmick was from IDW's Escalation #5.



While on Dreamwave, they are hardly the place to get design idea's unless you want giraffe Prime:



I'm not saying having a white bot in armor is a deal breaker for me, because it isn't. I just want something more than a white bot in armor. For a Masterpiece, I think something more should be involved than simply wrapping armor over MP10. If we do get a white inner bot, I hope they come up with a much better way of incorporating the armor. This is what is inside that mock up:

I personally want a seperate white cab, i'm NOT a fan of an "all-in-one" Ultra Magnus.

Perhaps something that could appease people like me, and those opposed to "just another white Prime" would be to have a different make of cab that could combine with the armour.

So you would have White Magnus (a semi-cab but not the same cap as Optimus Prime) and then have the combined Ultra Magnus.

From there they could keep the cab and develop a different trailer the cab could combine with to have Motormaster/Motorbreath.

A while back I came up with a bit of Fanon to explain Magnus as a "White Prime with Exo Armor"...

My basic idea was that, like many modern rulers / leaders, Optimus had (possibly against his will) a bodyguard or two that were of the same basic bodystyle, and physically altered to resemble him even more. One of them, Ultra Magnus, got reassigned, and simply chose to change paint jobs.

Later, during a battle (possibly in the interim between 1987 and 2005), he dives to put himself between Prime and a shot from, say, Shockwave, and takes a blast that nicks his Energon Core, or what have you, right in the side of the abdomen. In vehicle mode, it's blocked by the presence of what would become his arm, so he's safe - but in robot mode, he'll 'bleed out' of Energon in minutes.

So, Wheeljack and Ratchet get together with Perceptor, and come up with a stopgap measure - a trailer that becomes armor, while also blocking the Energon Core (or whatever) leak in his robot mode. Part of my fanon includes them constantly badgering him to come in for a procedure to finally repair him (which will take him out of action for many months if not years). His reply?

Of course, it's "I haven't got time for that now!"

Just my little story, and it's why I hope an MP Magnus has a White Prime at the core.

I've always just assumed that Orion and Magnus had the same body type. The Seekers, Ironhide & Ratchet, Trailbreaker & Hoist, Prowl with Bluestreak and Smokescreen, on and on. There are only so many body designs available. It doesn't necessarily make them related or anything. They just share a body type and Magnus wears the Ultra armor. Seriously, why does this even have to be an issue? The only way people should have a problem with it is if it were to be released without the available armor. If Hasbro is releasing MP-10 Optimus with his trailer, they'll do everything in their power to give us Magnus with his. He could even have a compartment in the armors chest instead of Yo Dawging the doors into Prime.

Burn wrote:I personally want a seperate white cab, i'm NOT a fan of an "all-in-one" Ultra Magnus.

Perhaps something that could appease people like me, and those opposed to "just another white Prime" would be to have a different make of cab that could combine with the armour.

So you would have White Magnus (a semi-cab but not the same cap as Optimus Prime) and then have the combined Ultra Magnus.

From there they could keep the cab and develop a different trailer the cab could combine with to have Motormaster/Motorbreath.

that's a good idea.

well, if nothing else, this thread has proved that Takara will have a very hard time appealing to all their customers should a V2 Ultra Magnus show up.

njb902 wrote:

Burn wrote:I personally want a seperate white cab, i'm NOT a fan of an "all-in-one" Ultra Magnus.

Perhaps something that could appease people like me, and those opposed to "just another white Prime" would be to have a different make of cab that could combine with the armour.

So you would have White Magnus (a semi-cab but not the same cap as Optimus Prime) and then have the combined Ultra Magnus.

From there they could keep the cab and develop a different trailer the cab could combine with to have Motormaster/Motorbreath.

that's a good idea.

You know, that's not a bad idea at all. It would allow Takara to engineer things to accommodate features that would be regularly hindered with just a repaint. I'll second that motion.

That's what I'm wanting, a way for the cab to integrate better than just stuffing a white prime inside some armor. If the redesigned the cab so it isn't just MP 10, I'd be down with that. I think we will just be getting a white Prime though. It explains why the shoulders extend so far out of the body and the large socket holes on the feet where the screws are.

I think what makes the most sense about my idea is having Motormaster become the opposite of Ultra Magnus.

Sure, in the G1 cartoon he may have been Prime's opposite on the road, but later lore has pretty much given Optimus his opposite in Scourge/Nemesis Prime, while poor ol Motormaster has becoming nothing more than ANOTHER black Prime repaint.

This is a good chance for things to be changed up, AND set the stage for a MP combiner *cough*SideswipeasBreakdown*cough*

well if they do make a mp magnus it so shouldn't be used as motomaster, the transformation would be all wrong.

njb902 wrote:well if they do make a mp magnus it so shouldn't be used as motomaster, the transformation would be all wrong.

How so?

Trikeboy wrote:While on Dreamwave, they are hardly the place to get design idea's unless you want giraffe Prime:

lol wow, I never noticed that.

But yeah, I meant IDW. Always get that mixed up somehow...

Burn wrote:From there they could keep the cab and develop a different trailer the cab could combine with to have Motormaster/Motorbreath.

First of all, Motormaster's cab was of a different model than Prime/Magnus's. Second, they had entirely different molds. And third, and probably just as important, if Motormaster's bot mode is in scale with MP-10 on, his alt mode might be quite a bit smaller than Prime/Magnus.

Burn wrote:

njb902 wrote:well if they do make a mp magnus it so shouldn't be used as motomaster, the transformation would be all wrong.

How so?

Because G1 Motormaster is nothing like G1 Ultra Magnus.

orangeitis wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:While on Dreamwave, they are hardly the place to get design idea's unless you want giraffe Prime:

lol wow, I never noticed that.

But yeah, I meant IDW. Always get that mixed up somehow...

lol, yeah. Bayformers get a lot of flack from people but at least they were thought out and are coherent. The art from Pat Lee should be redone from scratch by IDW and then the originals burned.

orangeitis wrote:

Burn wrote:From there they could keep the cab and develop a different trailer the cab could combine with to have Motormaster/Motorbreath.

First of all, Motormaster's cab was of a different model than Prime/Magnus's. Second, they had entirely different molds. And third, and probably just as important, if Motormaster's bot mode is in scale with MP-10 on, his alt mode might be quite a bit smaller than Prime/Magnus.

Burn wrote:

njb902 wrote:well if they do make a mp magnus it so shouldn't be used as motomaster, the transformation would be all wrong.

How so?

Because G1 Motormaster is nothing like G1 Ultra Magnus.

This is Motormaster:



He looks nothing like Ultra Magnus or Optimus Prime in either mode.

orangeitis wrote:First of all, Motormaster's cab was of a different model than Prime/Magnus's.

Hence why in my SUGGESTION (you did read it in full didn't you?) was that a new cab be developed for Magnus.

The cab could have more in common with Motormaster than Prime.

Second, they had entirely different molds.

Really? I never knew that. 20+ years of being a Transformers fan ... having over 1000 figures in my collection (including virtually every incarnation of Optimus Prime, Ultra Magnus, and a complete set of Stunticons) and I just learnt something new!

And third, and probably just as important, if Motormaster's bot mode is in scale with MP-10 on, his alt mode might be quite a bit smaller than Prime/Magnus.

In reality, if they're going to combine with their trailers they should tower over Prime.

Because G1 Motormaster is nothing like G1 Ultra Magnus.

See all of that above.

Trikeboy wrote:He looks nothing like Ultra Magnus or Optimus Prime in either mode.

Again, see all of that above and go back and re-read my original suggestion.

Burn wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:He looks nothing like Ultra Magnus or Optimus Prime in either mode.

Again, see all of that above and go back and re-read my original suggestion.

Ok, I will look at your original suggestion.

Burn wrote:I personally want a seperate white cab, i'm NOT a fan of an "all-in-one" Ultra Magnus.

Perhaps something that could appease people like me, and those opposed to "just another white Prime" would be to have a different make of cab that could combine with the armour.

So you would have White Magnus (a semi-cab but not the same cap as Optimus Prime) and then have the combined Ultra Magnus.

From there they could keep the cab and develop a different trailer the cab could combine with to have Motormaster/Motorbreath.

A brand new mold for the cab is a good one and for it to transform into a robot it will need a full transformation so you can have your white Magnus (arms, legs, a head etc).

Motormaster's transformation doesn't have a seperate cab or a black robot that combines with the trailer, the cab becomes the feet of Motormaster and the body is encased in the trailer. In order to do a Motormaster, they would need to make a third truck. I actually can imagine what they could do with the cab to make the gestalt work well.

Trikeboy wrote:Motormaster's transformation doesn't have a seperate cab or a black robot that combines with the trailer, the cab becomes the feet of Motormaster and the body is encased in the trailer. In order to do a Motormaster, they would need to make a third truck. I actually can imagine what they could do with the cab to make the gestalt work well.

And Motormaster was never just a black repaint of Optimus Prime.

But hey, time's change.

Burn wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:Motormaster's transformation doesn't have a seperate cab or a black robot that combines with the trailer, the cab becomes the feet of Motormaster and the body is encased in the trailer. In order to do a Motormaster, they would need to make a third truck. I actually can imagine what they could do with the cab to make the gestalt work well.

And Motormaster was never just a black repaint of Optimus Prime.

But hey, time's change.

You can't apply a lazy cash in repaint of a Legends toy to a full fledged Masterpiece figure. Masterpiece is all about G1 accuracy now. While white Magnus appeared in toy form and in Dreamwave, there has never been a depiction of G1 Motormaster having a separate robot mode from his trailer.

Burn wrote:The cab could have more in common with Motormaster than Prime.

That would be inaccurate to G1 though.

Magnus cab: Turns into a white Optimus, has armor attachments

Motormaster cab: Turns into feet

Also, Motormaster(all of him, not just his feet) is canonically about as tall as Optimus Prime(cab/robot), while Magnus is a bit taller than Prime(I think only a head, not sure)

Considering that TakaraTomy wants every MP's bot mode to now be in scale with each other, even not considering that Magnus' and Motormaster's cabs are different models, they'd have to be different sizes for their bot modes to be in scale.

And damn you all for making me want an MP Motormaster now.

Trikeboy wrote:

Burn wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:Motormaster's transformation doesn't have a seperate cab or a black robot that combines with the trailer, the cab becomes the feet of Motormaster and the body is encased in the trailer. In order to do a Motormaster, they would need to make a third truck. I actually can imagine what they could do with the cab to make the gestalt work well.

And Motormaster was never just a black repaint of Optimus Prime.

But hey, time's change.

You can't apply a lazy cash in repaint of a Legends toy to a full fledged Masterpiece figure. Masterpiece is all about G1 accuracy now. While white Magnus appeared in toy form and in Dreamwave, there has never been a depiction of G1 Motormaster having a separate robot mode from his trailer.

And YOUR dismissive attitude is that "because that's how it was" Takara won't be able to pull it off.

So you keep on ragging on my idea (don't know why you feel the need to poke holes in a simple idea really) while I'll just keep on having faith in the designers at Takara Tomy to pull it off IF THEY WANTED TO. (No I don't expect them to do it, but there's nothing wrong in hoping is there?)

Burn wrote:And YOUR dismissive attitude is that "because that's how it was" Takara won't be able to pull it off.

So you keep on ragging on my idea (don't know why you feel the need to poke holes in a simple idea really) while I'll just keep on having faith in the designers at Takara Tomy to pull it off IF THEY WANTED TO. (No I don't expect them to do it, but there's nothing wrong in hoping is there?)

You literally posted 1/64th of a second after I did.

You can't apply Universe/Classics repaint logic to the MP line. Not till Takara/Tomy abandons their G1 accuracy theme. IJS. D:

Burn wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:

Burn wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:Motormaster's transformation doesn't have a seperate cab or a black robot that combines with the trailer, the cab becomes the feet of Motormaster and the body is encased in the trailer. In order to do a Motormaster, they would need to make a third truck. I actually can imagine what they could do with the cab to make the gestalt work well.

And Motormaster was never just a black repaint of Optimus Prime.

But hey, time's change.

You can't apply a lazy cash in repaint of a Legends toy to a full fledged Masterpiece figure. Masterpiece is all about G1 accuracy now. While white Magnus appeared in toy form and in Dreamwave, there has never been a depiction of G1 Motormaster having a separate robot mode from his trailer.

And YOUR dismissive attitude is that "because that's how it was" Takara won't be able to pull it off.

So you keep on ragging on my idea (don't know why you feel the need to poke holes in a simple idea really) while I'll just keep on having faith in the designers at Takara Tomy to pull it off IF THEY WANTED TO. (No I don't expect them to do it, but there's nothing wrong in hoping is there?)

Trikeboy wrote:

Burn wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:He looks nothing like Ultra Magnus or Optimus Prime in either mode.

Again, see all of that above and go back and re-read my original suggestion.

Ok, I will look at your original suggestion.

Burn wrote:I personally want a seperate white cab, i'm NOT a fan of an "all-in-one" Ultra Magnus.

Perhaps something that could appease people like me, and those opposed to "just another white Prime" would be to have a different make of cab that could combine with the armour.

So you would have White Magnus (a semi-cab but not the same cap as Optimus Prime) and then have the combined Ultra Magnus.

From there they could keep the cab and develop a different trailer the cab could combine with to have Motormaster/Motorbreath.

A brand new mold for the cab is a good one and for it to transform into a robot it will need a full transformation so you can have your white Magnus (arms, legs, a head etc).

I support your idea for a new cab for Ultra Magnus, one that isn't just a white Prime. If they did that, I wouldn't mind a white bot wrapped in armor. All I'm saying is it just wouldn't work for Motormaster. After all this, like yourself I really would love to see a Masterpiece Motormaster now .