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I'm sure this has come up before, but I am new. This is something that makes me not buy a lot of the new toys. I can't stand how much they changed everyone for 1, but that's just what happens sometimes so no big deal. What I can't stand is everything is Chevy. No freakin Porches or Italian cars...Is anyone else sick of the Chevy Autobots? Or Bay for that matter? I think everyone should get together and fire Bay.

Porsche, Lambourguini, and several other European car companies fall under the umbrella of the Volkswagon Group, which has for many years objected to thier vehicles being used in Transformers and other "war" fictions.

There was a similar trend in the Alternators line up.

Ah yes, I'm glad someone brought this up.

No, I don't like the exclusive GM vehicle thing. I notice it in other movies when EVERY vehicle you see is a particular brand. It detracts from the "effect", for me anyway. I don't think the TFs would come to Earth and just happen to only scan GM vehicles!

But, Sideways is an Audi. Is Audi affiliated with GM?

Technically it's a European Sports Car, not licensed as an 'Audi'.

I totally wish there was a BMWformer.

I love being full of man knowledge No, Audi AG is not part of GM. They are owned by Volkswagen. The Audi R8 you see in the movie is actually built on the same platform as the Italian Lamborghini Gallardo. Yes Lamborghini is also owned by Volkswagen.

Ok, question is why is it in the movie then?
-In the movie it may not have any Audi markings. I am not 100% on that, but the toy has no Audi markings either at all. On the back of the box it is not called an Audi R8, nore do they have the rights to.
-It may be like it was with Barricade. Ford told Bay no, they wouldn't let him use only 1 of there cars to be a bad guy. SALEEN gave Bay the rights to Saleen (for the toy).
-If it is not used in the toy line Bay doesn't have to get permission.
-He had a very small part in the movie.

A fun thing to think about also...if they have an Audi R8 in the movie...why couldn't they made our little yellow friend an old super beetle??

Blurrz wrote:Technically it's a European Sports Car, not licensed as an 'Audi'.

I totally wish there was a BMWformer.

Is this you who made BBee an M3?

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=489023

Cryosis Prime wrote:Porsche, Lambourguini, and several other European car companies fall under the umbrella of the Volkswagon Group, which has for many years objected to thier vehicles being used in Transformers and other "war" fictions.

There was a similar trend in the Alternators line up.

True, but they can still use them, just not have emblems on it.

Sorry moderators for so many post's I had a lag issue or something. Could you please combine my posts and remove this one. Thank you.

Metal Monkey wrote:I'm sure this has come up before, but I am new. This is something that makes me not buy a lot of the new toys. I can't stand how much they changed everyone for 1, but that's just what happens sometimes so no big deal. What I can't stand is everything is Chevy. No freakin Porches or Italian cars...Is anyone else sick of the Chevy Autobots? Or Bay for that matter? I think everyone should get together and fire Bay.

Cause GM gives Michael Bay the cars for free. It is probably the cheapest advertising dollar they have spent in years.

GetterDragun wrote:

Metal Monkey wrote:I'm sure this has come up before, but I am new. This is something that makes me not buy a lot of the new toys. I can't stand how much they changed everyone for 1, but that's just what happens sometimes so no big deal. What I can't stand is everything is Chevy. No freakin Porches or Italian cars...Is anyone else sick of the Chevy Autobots? Or Bay for that matter? I think everyone should get together and fire Bay.

Cause GM gives Michael Bay the cars for free. It is probably the cheapest advertising dollar they have spent in years.

Oh ya and who knows how much they make off the toys being sold under GM rights..Still going to stick with my pretty solid theory, Bay has ties with the Government(let him use military stuff), Government owns GM, 2 and 2 = Chevy autobots.

Metal Monkey wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:

Metal Monkey wrote:I'm sure this has come up before, but I am new. This is something that makes me not buy a lot of the new toys. I can't stand how much they changed everyone for 1, but that's just what happens sometimes so no big deal. What I can't stand is everything is Chevy. No freakin Porches or Italian cars...Is anyone else sick of the Chevy Autobots? Or Bay for that matter? I think everyone should get together and fire Bay.

Cause GM gives Michael Bay the cars for free. It is probably the cheapest advertising dollar they have spent in years.

Oh ya and who knows how much they make off the toys being sold under GM rights..Still going to stick with my pretty solid theory, Bay has ties with the Government(let him use military stuff), Government owns GM, 2 and 2 = Chevy autobots.

The Government doesn't own GM.

Metal Monkey wrote:Oh ya and who knows how much they make off the toys being sold under GM rights..Still going to stick with my pretty solid theory, Bay has ties with the Government(let him use military stuff), Government owns GM, 2 and 2 = Chevy autobots.

The cars has nothing to do with Bays tie in with Military. If you remember, the autobots were exclusively GM products in the first movie. Long before the bailout.
Bay approached several manufacturers about using there vehicles but most didn't want anything to do with the movie as someone already mentioned, they didn't want there products being associated with violence.

True, but they can still use them, just not have emblems on it.

While this is true, you must think of this from a advertising/money making stand point. You said it very well in this post...

I love being full of man knowledge No, Audi AG is not part of GM. They are owned by Volkswagen. The Audi R8 you see in the movie is actually built on the same platform as the Italian Lamborghini Gallardo. Yes Lamborghini is also owned by Volkswagen.


Ok, question is why is it in the movie then?
-In the movie it may not have any Audi markings. I am not 100% on that, but the toy has no Audi markings either at all. On the back of the box it is not called an Audi R8, nore do they have the rights to.
-It may be like it was with Barricade. Ford told Bay no, they wouldn't let him use only 1 of there cars to be a bad guy. SALEEN gave Bay the rights to Saleen (for the toy).
-If it is not used in the toy line Bay doesn't have to get permission.
-He had a very small part in the movie.

It also would be fair to GM and others that had permission to use there vehicles. Would be right (or legal) to use another manufacturers vehicle and give them free advertising.

Me, personally, have no problems with them using GM products. Ironhide's alt was perfect for his personality, as was the new Camaro. While i can understand many would have liked to see BB as a new beetle for nostalgia purposes, it would have been a poor choice for a modern day alt mode. Sorry, it just wouldn't have worked.

Look up how at percentage the Government owns of GM it's over the percentage needed to "own" the business. Started before the bailouts, but this is another topic for another day.

No one said they had to use a new Beetle....could of used an older or something closer than a Camaro. Bumblebee is not a warrior, yet they made him one more so in the movies.

Some people have no problem with it. Fine. I think it kills the realism they are trying to go for. I mean seriously..."lets go to Earth and all be GM cars and trucks". Either way it is pure stupidity. They are only going to add to it. To many damn Chevys.....

Metal Monkey wrote: Look up how at percentage the Government owns of GM it's over the percentage needed to "own" the business. Started before the bailouts, but this is another topic for another day.

What are you talking about? Again, Government does not own GM, and that had nothing to do with the decision to use GM vehicles. It was the fact that they donated vehicles for the film. I can't see why you can't grasp this.

Metal Monkey wrote:No one said they had to use a new Beetle....could of used an older or something closer than a Camaro. Bumblebee is not a warrior, yet they made him one more so in the movies.

65' beetle, or concept Camaro... A beetle might have worked in the cartoon, but not so much in the movies.
You also need to look at this from a general audience's point of view and not a fan. I still remember the theater going nuts when BB made his appearance in the tunnel as the Concept camaro.

Metal Monkey wrote:Some people have no problem with it. Fine. I think it kills the realism they are trying to go for.

So scanning GM vehicles takes away from "realism" of giant alien robots that turn into various vehicles that are raging war on planet earth... Ya, i guess that would subtract from the realism.

Metal Monkey wrote:I mean seriously..."lets go to Earth and all be GM cars and trucks". Either way it is pure stupidity. They are only going to add to it. To many damn Chevys.....

Then you foot the bill for vehicles to be used in the movie.
Look, I'm not trying to wage war with you or say I'm right your wrong. Cause that's not the case. But one does need to understand that movie like these aren't cheap. Its not as easy as just removing an emblem from each vehicle. Can it be done? Sure. But at a cost. And for many, that would be taking away from realism.
"hey, why is it that every transformers emblem is removed?"

Anyways, there not all Chevy's... There's GMC, Pontiac, and Hummer!

If it makes anyone feel better, Hummer was sold off so technically Ratchet isn't a GM vehicle anymore.

In the case of the Government "owning" GM... Wikipedia ain't the most reliable source out there, but when you got lovely little citations it's as good an the average encyclopedia.

On July 10, 2009 GM emerged from a Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization and is now majority owned by the United States Treasury and Canadian governments.

So yes, GM is now owned mostly by our Governments. Take note of the bolded part though. GM did not declare bankrupcy until after Revenge of the Fallen was released, let alone during film production when the decisions to use Chevy Autobots would have actually have been made.

EDIT: Might as well include the link to the Wikipedia Article in question http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors

Metal Monkey wrote:Look up how at percentage the Government owns of GM it's over the percentage needed to "own" the business. Started before the bailouts, but this is another topic for another day.

No one said they had to use a new Beetle....could of used an older or something closer than a Camaro. Bumblebee is not a warrior, yet they made him one more so in the movies.

Some people have no problem with it. Fine. I think it kills the realism they are trying to go for. I mean seriously..."lets go to Earth and all be GM cars and trucks". Either way it is pure stupidity. They are only going to add to it. To many damn Chevys.....

How come when you make an unfactual statement you say that is something to discuss for another day.

You are wrong about GM so there is no need to discuss it anyways.

And by the way, this Chevyfest that you complain about is complete and utter nonsense.

You have Ironhide, who looks like a generic big pick up truck, Ratchet who is a completley bastardized hummer that looks like a custom vehicle anyways, Skids and Mudflap that are protopye vehicles that look like a generic european or asian small cars, Volt, who I think never appeared in vehicle mode in the movie, and then the only real GM car...Bumblebee. So where's the problem?

GetterDragun wrote:

Metal Monkey wrote:Look up how at percentage the Government owns of GM it's over the percentage needed to "own" the business. Started before the bailouts, but this is another topic for another day.

No one said they had to use a new Beetle....could of used an older or something closer than a Camaro. Bumblebee is not a warrior, yet they made him one more so in the movies.

Some people have no problem with it. Fine. I think it kills the realism they are trying to go for. I mean seriously..."lets go to Earth and all be GM cars and trucks". Either way it is pure stupidity. They are only going to add to it. To many damn Chevys.....

How come when you make an unfactual statement you say that is something to discuss for another day.

You are wrong about GM so there is no need to discuss it anyways.

And by the way, this Chevyfest that you complain about is complete and utter nonsense.

You have Ironhide, who looks like a generic big pick up truck, Ratchet who is a completley bastardized hummer that looks like a custom vehicle anyways, Skids and Mudflap that are protopye vehicles that look like a generic european or asian small cars, Volt, who I think never appeared in vehicle mode in the movie, and then the only real GM car...Bumblebee. So where's the problem?

It is a factual statement as I follow politics more than I follow toys. Look it up. I am not going to direct this topic into a debate about a different topic. That topic would include a huge list of sources and arguements and more than this topic needs.

Secondly. They are all real GM cars..or will be in production...seeing as how GM started tooling up for them a while ago. Except for Sideswipe. Don't be surprised if they do decide to made it. It a car that people want..GM needs that now. Iron hide is real with a real package added. Bummblebee is real. The twins will be sold on the market, jazz is real (but has a custom hardtop that you may be able to get now), oh and by the way....I love this part......Ratchet, a Hummer...is GENERAL MOTORS!..Ya thats right. Google that or Answer.com it or w/e. Use to be AM General, bought it around 1997 - 1998 or so by GM...

Volt will be made also. Yes he was in the movie for a brief moment in alt form. Was when they got into Egypt I believe. With Ratchet, Ironhide, and Sideswipe.

Metal Monkey wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:

Metal Monkey wrote:Look up how at percentage the Government owns of GM it's over the percentage needed to "own" the business. Started before the bailouts, but this is another topic for another day.

No one said they had to use a new Beetle....could of used an older or something closer than a Camaro. Bumblebee is not a warrior, yet they made him one more so in the movies.

Some people have no problem with it. Fine. I think it kills the realism they are trying to go for. I mean seriously..."lets go to Earth and all be GM cars and trucks". Either way it is pure stupidity. They are only going to add to it. To many damn Chevys.....

How come when you make an unfactual statement you say that is something to discuss for another day.

You are wrong about GM so there is no need to discuss it anyways.

And by the way, this Chevyfest that you complain about is complete and utter nonsense.

You have Ironhide, who looks like a generic big pick up truck, Ratchet who is a completley bastardized hummer that looks like a custom vehicle anyways, Skids and Mudflap that are protopye vehicles that look like a generic european or asian small cars, Volt, who I think never appeared in vehicle mode in the movie, and then the only real GM car...Bumblebee. So where's the problem?

It is a factual statement as I follow politics more than I follow toys. Look it up. I am not going to direct this topic into a debate about a different topic. That topic would include a huge list of sources and arguements and more than this topic needs.

Secondly. They are all real GM cars..or will be in production...seeing as how GM started tooling up for them a while ago. Except for Sideswipe. Don't be surprised if they do decide to made it. It a car that people want..GM needs that now. Iron hide is real with a real package added. Bummblebee is real. The twins will be sold on the market, jazz is real (but has a custom hardtop that you may be able to get now), oh and by the way....I love this part......Ratchet, a Hummer...is GENERAL MOTORS!..Ya thats right. Google that or Answer.com it or w/e. Use to be AM General, bought it around 1997 - 1998 or so by GM...

Volt will be made also. Yes he was in the movie for a brief moment in alt form. Was when they got into Egypt I believe. With Ratchet, Ironhide, and Sideswipe.

Wow. So restructuring is now being owned by the Government? Tell me when a Government owned organization has ever gone IPO?

And you're wrong on Skids and Mudflap, only Skids will go into production as the Chevy Spark. No Mud Flap at this point. Plus it was so modified in the movie, it barely looked like a Hummer. And Jazz wasn't it TF 2, so not part of this, by the way tell me how you can buy a Pontiac Solstice with no more Pontiac? And guess what...HUMMER IS NOT GENERAL MOTORS! IT IS OWNED BY SICHUAN TENGZHONG!

GetterDragun wrote:

Metal Monkey wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:

Metal Monkey wrote:Look up how at percentage the Government owns of GM it's over the percentage needed to "own" the business. Started before the bailouts, but this is another topic for another day.

No one said they had to use a new Beetle....could of used an older or something closer than a Camaro. Bumblebee is not a warrior, yet they made him one more so in the movies.

Some people have no problem with it. Fine. I think it kills the realism they are trying to go for. I mean seriously..."lets go to Earth and all be GM cars and trucks". Either way it is pure stupidity. They are only going to add to it. To many damn Chevys.....

How come when you make an unfactual statement you say that is something to discuss for another day.

You are wrong about GM so there is no need to discuss it anyways.

And by the way, this Chevyfest that you complain about is complete and utter nonsense.

You have Ironhide, who looks like a generic big pick up truck, Ratchet who is a completley bastardized hummer that looks like a custom vehicle anyways, Skids and Mudflap that are protopye vehicles that look like a generic european or asian small cars, Volt, who I think never appeared in vehicle mode in the movie, and then the only real GM car...Bumblebee. So where's the problem?

It is a factual statement as I follow politics more than I follow toys. Look it up. I am not going to direct this topic into a debate about a different topic. That topic would include a huge list of sources and arguements and more than this topic needs.

Secondly. They are all real GM cars..or will be in production...seeing as how GM started tooling up for them a while ago. Except for Sideswipe. Don't be surprised if they do decide to made it. It a car that people want..GM needs that now. Iron hide is real with a real package added. Bummblebee is real. The twins will be sold on the market, jazz is real (but has a custom hardtop that you may be able to get now), oh and by the way....I love this part......Ratchet, a Hummer...is GENERAL MOTORS!..Ya thats right. Google that or Answer.com it or w/e. Use to be AM General, bought it around 1997 - 1998 or so by GM...

Volt will be made also. Yes he was in the movie for a brief moment in alt form. Was when they got into Egypt I believe. With Ratchet, Ironhide, and Sideswipe.

Wow. So restructuring is now being owned by the Government? Tell me when a Government owned organization has ever gone IPO?

And you're wrong on Skids and Mudflap, only Skids will go into production as the Chevy Spark. No Mud Flap at this point. Plus it was so modified in the movie, it barely looked like a Hummer. And Jazz wasn't it TF 2, so not part of this, by the way tell me how you can buy a Pontiac Solstice with no more Pontiac? And guess what...HUMMER IS NOT GENERAL MOTORS! IT IS OWNED BY SICHUAN TENGZHONG!

"HUMMER IS NOT GENERAL MOTORS! IT IS OWNED BY SICHUAN TENGZHONG!"<---DUH! The Chinese company bought them in 2009.
This is not a topic about TF2....you should read the topic. It was about the movies entirely. Not 1 in specific. At the time when the first movie came out...it was GM. As far as the Hummer being modified all they did was add a "box" to the ass end of it. Same everything else with a aftermarket brushguard on it.

I wonder why they killed Jazz? It wouldn't be because Pontiac was going to be gone at all was it??

If mudflap isn't going in production which I believe it will be most likely, please provide a link and I would be happy to admit I am incorrect. They may not make it, but in one of the Car and Driver or Road and Track mags said it was. I haven't seen anything from GM direct though. Half the crap they say can't follow anyways.

The Government is obviously not going to run GM, just restructure as you said. They do own over half of it.

Back to the topic at hand. It still stupid that 8 out of 10 Autobots are GM. The 2 that are not are Prim and Jetfire. I am not counting the 3 superbikes obviously.

Before trying to correct someone again, please read the topic. It says "Chevy Autobots". "Not Revenge of the Fallen Chevy Autobots".

Now please stay on the topic.

Metal Monkey wrote:
"HUMMER IS NOT GENERAL MOTORS! IT IS OWNED BY SICHUAN TENGZHONG!"<---DUH! The Chinese company bought them in 2009.
This is not a topic about TF2....you should read the topic. It was about the movies entirely. Not 1 in specific. At the time when the first movie came out...it was GM. As far as the Hummer being modified all they did was add a "box" to the ass end of it. Same everything else with a aftermarket brushguard on it.

I wonder why they killed Jazz? It wouldn't be because Pontiac was going to be gone at all was it??

If mudflap isn't going in production which I believe it will be most likely, please provide a link and I would be happy to admit I am incorrect. They may not make it, but in one of the Car and Driver or Road and Track mags said it was. I haven't seen anything from GM direct though. Half the crap they say can't follow anyways.

The Government is obviously not going to run GM, just restructure as you said. They do own over half of it.

Back to the topic at hand. It still stupid that 8 out of 10 Autobots are GM. The 2 that are not are Prim and Jetfire. I am not counting the 3 superbikes obviously.

Before trying to correct someone again, please read the topic. It says "Chevy Autobots". "Not Revenge of the Fallen Chevy Autobots".

Now please stay on the topic.

No, you said that GM still owns Hummer. That is incorrect. And the Government doesn't own GM. You obviously don't understand the situation. The Government is a bank to GM. In fact, the original GM is now a holding company. So there is technically two General Motors right now, the old one that is holding assets. And a brand new company founded this year that is GM. This new company bought the rights to GM and will go public next year.

Now you say they killed of Jazz because they new that back in 2006/2007 they would go bankrupt. Are you serious?! Do you think GM new that they would be in this shape today back then and wrote it into a movie?

And I read all the car mags too, they discussed the prototype, which were design studies. They actually never expected them to be produced, in fact they were surprised the Spark is actually being produced. Will Mudflap be made, probably not.

Metal Monkey wrote:Ratchet, a Hummer...is GENERAL MOTORS!

Ratchet is/was a GM Hummer.

GetterDragun wrote:Now you say they killed of Jazz because they new that back in 2006/2007 they would go bankrupt. Are you serious?! Do you think GM new that they would be in this shape today back then and wrote it into a movie?

Actually yes and no. Did they know they would go bankrupt? Maybe. Know they where going to off Pontiac? Pretty much. I read about them having that as a possibility since they ended importing the GTO's from Holden(about 2006ish). Killing of Jazz may have been because of it. Strong possibility.

Metal Monkey wrote:Back to the topic at hand. It still stupid that 8 out of 10 Autobots are GM. The 2 that are not are Prim and Jetfire. I am not counting the 3 superbikes obviously.

Before trying to correct someone again, please read the topic. It says "Chevy Autobots". "Not Revenge of the Fallen Chevy Autobots".

Now please stay on the topic.

How did you get to be a moderator on this site? You can't read. You can't stay on topic. You have tried to make me look stupid with a few comments like the one about "them" not being in TF2, and yet where just wrong. I have asked you to please stay on topic. You are debating me where it is not needed. You basically are spamming and flaming. This is last time I am going to ask; Please keep on the topic. Read my first post. Read it twice this time, because you have got it wrong before. Thank you for your opinions, but I do not care to hear them anymore. Unless it is weather or not you like or dislike the fact the Autobots are 90% GM cars. I am done with you.

Edit: PS. You even closed my topic here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=60070
instead of at least merging it like it should of been if it was infact the same topic, but it wasn't. I asked a question close to it, but differently. Why? Because I didn't get the answer from the topic you posted.

Right here you said:

Oh ya and who knows how much they make off the toys being sold under GM rights..Still going to stick with my pretty solid theory, Bay has ties with the Government(let him use military stuff), Government owns GM, 2 and 2 = Chevy autobots

The government did not have an ownership stake in Gm until the middle of 2009 when both movies had already been filmed. This is where you are incorrect.

Jazz was not killed off because of holden and gm, he was killed off because the script called for it, plain and simple. The soltice was still produced for 2 years after the movie was made. The soltice/sky is ony gone because both brands are gone. Pontiac was supposed to be a nighe brand but that got scuttled.


Gm gave them 2 million dollars worth of cars when no one else wanted to be featured in the movie. That is why the cars are feeatured. No government conspiracies, no back room deals. Just plain and simple free advertising.

Robinson wrote:Right here you said:

Oh ya and who knows how much they make off the toys being sold under GM rights..Still going to stick with my pretty solid theory, Bay has ties with the Government(let him use military stuff), Government owns GM, 2 and 2 = Chevy autobots

The government did not have an ownership stake in Gm until the middle of 2009 when both movies had already been filmed. This is where you are incorrect.

Jazz was not killed off because of holden and gm, he was killed off because the script called for it, plain and simple. The soltice was still produced for 2 years after the movie was made. The soltice/sky is ony gone because both brands are gone. Pontiac was supposed to be a nighe brand but that got scuttled.


Gm gave them 2 million dollars worth of cars when no one else wanted to be featured in the movie. That is why the cars are feeatured. No government conspiracies, no back room deals. Just plain and simple free advertising.

GM is working on their 3rd bailout right now...look it up.

I never said Jazz had anything to do with Holden...only stated a time line of an event.

Other companies would of let them use their cars..Ford was even a possibilty, but didn't want their cars to be the "bad guy" and Bay decided to use GM for Autobots..so....

Again I'll say this is keeps going off topic with to much opinion. I have stated what I think/know. Topic isn't about where this went. Either comment on the topic or don't post. Again, topic is "Unless it is weather or not you like or dislike the fact the Autobots are 90% GM cars." Is it that hard to understand what a topic is? You guys are trying so hard to prove me wrong, yet fail to do so. Just stop. You are wasting your time.

Metal Monkey wrote:

Metal Monkey wrote:Ratchet, a Hummer...is GENERAL MOTORS!

Ratchet is/was a GM Hummer.

GetterDragun wrote:Now you say they killed of Jazz because they new that back in 2006/2007 they would go bankrupt. Are you serious?! Do you think GM new that they would be in this shape today back then and wrote it into a movie?

Actually yes and no. Did they know they would go bankrupt? Maybe. Know they where going to off Pontiac? Pretty much. I read about them having that as a possibility since they ended importing the GTO's from Holden(about 2006ish). Killing of Jazz may have been because of it. Strong possibility.

Metal Monkey wrote:Back to the topic at hand. It still stupid that 8 out of 10 Autobots are GM. The 2 that are not are Prim and Jetfire. I am not counting the 3 superbikes obviously.

Before trying to correct someone again, please read the topic. It says "Chevy Autobots". "Not Revenge of the Fallen Chevy Autobots".

Now please stay on the topic.

How did you get to be a moderator on this site? You can't read. You can't stay on topic. You have tried to make me look stupid with a few comments like the one about "them" not being in TF2, and yet where just wrong. I have asked you to please stay on topic. You are debating me where it is not needed. You basically are spamming and flaming. This is last time I am going to ask; Please keep on the topic. Read my first post. Read it twice this time, because you have got it wrong before. Thank you for your opinions, but I do not care to hear them anymore. Unless it is weather or not you like or dislike the fact the Autobots are 90% GM cars. I am done with you.

Edit: PS. You even closed my topic here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=60070
instead of at least merging it like it should of been if it was infact the same topic, but it wasn't. I asked a question close to it, but differently. Why? Because I didn't get the answer from the topic you posted.

Stating your opinion like it is fact in a discussion is allowed to be debated. I proved you wrong in every argument but you still claim fact. I mean you adamantly declared that HUMMER is GM, then you say "Oh I meant before the movie", if you are going to state such as fact, state it correctly.

Plus I never said they weren't GM, so why are you stating something that isn't true again?

And your thread was locked because you could have searched and used to the topic that was on the same question to add to the discussion and ask questions.

Metal Monkey wrote:

Robinson wrote:
Again I'll say this is keeps going off topic with to much opinion. I have stated what I think/know. Topic isn't about where this went. Either comment on the topic or don't post. Again, topic is "Unless it is weather or not you like or dislike the fact the Autobots are 90% GM cars." Is it that hard to understand what a topic is? You guys are trying so hard to prove me wrong, yet fail to do so. Just stop. You are wasting your time.

See the area above I bolded. If you state what you think and you are wrong, then people are allowed to debate it. This is why this is a discussion forum. And this is also why you received a warning. If you are going to start threads and state incorrect things that people want to state correctly, that is allowed. If you think you can tell people to stop discussing it because you don't like their responses, well I have a problem with that.