The Energon Pub

Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:11 pm

I'm sure we're all familiar with the various crossover transformers with Star Wars and Marvel but I am writing to ask if anyone is aware of any crossover transformers prior to the Botcon 1996 Onyx Primal Batman repaint (Kenner owned both toys at the time). I am interested in knowing if it is in fact the first crossover?

Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:37 pm

Depends what you mean by crossover, cause spider-man appears in the early issues of the transformers comic.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:53 pm

Screamfleet wrote:Depends what you mean by crossover, cause spider-man appears in the early issues of the transformers comic.

He likely means a Transformers toy (this is the toy forum after all!

) that is somehow also connected to another franchise, not a crossover in the fiction like Spidey and GI Joe showed up way back when.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:11 am

Yes, in crossover transformer the word toy is the context of the question (and the forum). Anybody familiar with an earlier crossover transformer toy?

News Credits: 1 · Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:26 am

Onyx is not a crossover, more like a nod at best. Those horrible Marvel TF's are the first, I'd say.

News Credits: 5 · Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:51 pm

I have Onyx Primal and he is not a cross over. Botcon in the 90's didn't have anywhere near Batman money. And his writeup was that "AND YOU WILL KNOW MY NAME IS THE LORD" speech from Pulp Fiction with his name substituting the word Lord. Hell, the only person who even thinks that the original blue bat Primal is a Batman crossover is David Willis and he gets weird with the "my personal canon is right because I know people" crap.

It's a fun little guy for as long as the transforming gimmick holds out. These things weren't designed to last 15+ years, after all. I kept mine in the foreground of my Scourge/Nemesis Prime display for years and just stuck him back in the box and put it in the closet when I took that down.

I know that Snowcat from Energon is based on the GIJoe vehicle of the same name. But even before that, in G2 there were GoBot characters, even one toy named "GoBots." They pluralized it and everything. When I was a kid, I thought that the Tracks winged car mode was a MASK crossover but that's just the weird idea of a 5 year old in the 80's.

News Credits: 767 · Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:22 pm

Yea as Zod pointed out OnyPrimal is not a Crossover, he's a homage.

IF you're looking for homages there is also Energon Crulock, who transforms into a robotic version of the American Godzilla.

Then there is Energon Signal Flare, who transforms into a MASER tank, you know those useless tanks fromt the Godzilla movies that get blown up the moment they attack big G.

G1 Megatron's altmode is based on a modified Walter from the TV show "The man from U.N.C.L.E..

There's more but I'm too lazy to list them all.

News Credits: 1 · Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:32 pm

Dead Metal wrote:Yea as Zod pointed out OnyPrimal is not a Crossover, he's a homage.

IF you're looking for homages there is also Energon Crulock, who transforms into a robotic version of the American Godzilla.

Then there is Energon Signal Flare, who transforms into a MASER tank, you know those useless tanks fromt the Godzilla movies that get blown up the moment they attack big G.

G1 Megatron's altmode is based on a modified Walter from the TV show "The man from U.N.C.L.E..

There's more but I'm too lazy to list them all.

Bloody crap, Singal Flare is a MASER. I never made the connection.

News Credits: 402 · Updated Oct 21, 2022

It took me a while, but I tracked down a Dealer Exclusive version of Onyx Primal. I love the mold to pieces. As a kid, he was the first figure I owned (The blue one of course) that had dual swords and could do some pretty cool poses.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:18 pm

I've heard a few people say that Turbomaster Boss is loosely based on Michael Keaton's Batmobile.

Stake Out was based on the cop cars in Robocop.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:11 pm

RhA wrote:Onyx is not a crossover, more like a nod at best. Those horrible Marvel TF's are the first, I'd say.

This is why I didn't understand the question, because homage =/= crossover.

News Credits: 7 · Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:54 pm

I thought this guy was meant to be the first crossover (with the GIJoes):
http://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers/ ... mers1.html

News Credits: 5 · Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:36 pm

Windsweeper wrote:I've heard a few people say that Turbomaster Boss is loosely based on Michael Keaton's Batmobile.

I had toy cars like that in the early 80's. It was just a common super future car design with a turbine in it.

Chaoslock wrote:I thought this guy was meant to be the first crossover (with the GIJoes):
link

I'd say that doesn't count since it wasn't released.

Beast Wars Megatron is a total color palette swipe from Barney. You know it's true!

News Credits: 402 · Updated Oct 21, 2022

zodconvoy wrote:
Windsweeper wrote:I've heard a few people say that Turbomaster Boss is loosely based on Michael Keaton's Batmobile.

I had toy cars like that in the early 80's. It was just a common super future car design with a turbine in it.

Chaoslock wrote:I thought this guy was meant to be the first crossover (with the GIJoes):
link

I'd say that doesn't count since it wasn't released.

Beast Wars Megatron is a total color palette swipe from Barney. You know it's true!

Only partially - I don't recall seeing any lime green on him. The did get the insidious personality pretty accurate though.

News Credits: 5 · Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:04 pm

Mkall wrote:
zodconvoy wrote:Beast Wars Megatron is a total color palette swipe from Barney. You know it's true!

Only partially - I don't recall seeing any lime green on him. The did get the insidious personality pretty accurate though.

Not only is his whole stomach green but he even has the spots on his back.

Also, curse you for making me Google Barney the Dinosaur.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:51 pm

Mkall wrote:It took me a while, but I tracked down a Dealer Exclusive version of Onyx Primal. I love the mold to pieces. As a kid, he was the first figure I owned (The blue one of course) that had dual swords and could do some pretty cool poses.

How much was that one?

Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:58 am

Also, what number is yours? Mine is 094. There weren't even twenty vendors at that botcon and there were 1700 "Batman repaints" made for that botcon but nobody knows if out of those there were 100 dealer exlusives, 150, 200?

News Credits: 1 · Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:36 am

zodconvoy wrote:
Mkall wrote:
zodconvoy wrote:Beast Wars Megatron is a total color palette swipe from Barney. You know it's true!

Only partially - I don't recall seeing any lime green on him. The did get the insidious personality pretty accurate though.

Not only is his whole stomach green but he even has the spots on his back.
Also, curse you for making me Google Barney the Dinosaur.

Mind blown.

In a bad way.

News Credits: 402 · Updated Oct 21, 2022

Orin McMonigle wrote:
Mkall wrote:It took me a while, but I tracked down a Dealer Exclusive version of Onyx Primal. I love the mold to pieces. As a kid, he was the first figure I owned (The blue one of course) that had dual swords and could do some pretty cool poses.

How much was that one?

Fairly inexpensive considering. I think I paid only 100 or so after shipping

Orin McMonigle wrote:Also, what number is yours? Mine is 094. There weren't even twenty vendors at that botcon and there were 1700 "Batman repaints" made for that botcon but nobody knows if out of those there were 100 dealer exlusives, 150, 200?

I think 70-something. I'm not near it at the moment. Oddly enough no one I've found seems to know how many dealer Exclusive versions there are out there, at least not that I can find at the moment.