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kirbenvost wrote:

Sledge wrote:So have you guys just stuck with G1 Prime and refused to buy any other?

No, I have most of the Primes, but I don't buy simple repaints like the entire "Premium" line from the first Movie. If it's supposed to be a new character I care about (seekers, etc), then I will buy repaints. If I'd known they were going to do that I might have waited and not bought the first release, like I did with Jazz (got the G1 repaint instead). Now I know better so I'm going to be a lot more cautious about the next Movie line, because I know if I buy something Hasbro's just going to release it again with something else added, and I don't have the money to buy both.

My point is, it's still Optimus Prime with the same robot & alt modes, they just engineered it better...which they could have done the first time. As it is, I'm satisfied enough with the first Movie Prime so I will pass on this one for now, and see what happens with future releases, or pass on it altogether if time doesn't convince me I want it.

I'm a collector on a budget, I can't afford to buy everything they put out.

I couldn't agree MORE! I think Hasbro could have released this version with the original film but whatever, it is what it is. Do I think this "newer" version is superior to the first? I am reserving judgment until I see it myself, but even then I do not feel I need to get it right away if at all, simply b/c I know there will be another reissue of this and odds are it will be overstocked and heavily priced reduced.

I am also pretty satisfied with the original movie release which I bought much later and for less than 20 w/shipping b/c there was a huge overstock and glut online. Keep this in mind savvy shoppers/collectors b/c TF has such a global general audience this Prime will flood the markets and the secondary markets will overstock as usual; if you are patient then wait b/c mark my words these Primes will be reduced especially when job security and the economy becomes increasingly on the forefront of most adults minds and wallets. Check the news on any given day and layoffs are increasing and it is only the beginning.

More importantly especially bearing in mind during these challenging economic times, Hasbro cannot expect kids or their parents to spend as freely as they did a few years ago. Almost all of us are on budgets and we simply cannot justify financially buying everything Hasbro puts out.

Y'know to think I was excited about the new movie Optimus Legend class figure.

This thing is off-the-chart. And I still think the original Movie Leader Optimus Prime is one of the greatest transformer ever made(despite my lack of regard for Bay's movie and it's designs).

This new mold certainly looks better than the previous Leader Optimus. If it's as well put together as that mold was, a new standard will have been set.

Fortress_Maximus wrote:

kirbenvost wrote:

Sledge wrote:So have you guys just stuck with G1 Prime and refused to buy any other?

My point is, it's still Optimus Prime with the same robot & alt modes, they just engineered it better...which they could have done the first time.

I couldn't agree MORE! I think Hasbro could have released this version with the original film

yeah, and they should've made Masterpiece Prime back in 1984.

IMO, the only reason this Movie Prime is more accurate than the first time around is because now they have something to top, and they have the experience and the hindsight that comes with it.

They should've made this one first time round? What an inane argument. The technology and designers behind these are continuously improving. The guys who made this figure have learnt from the last one, and they've had a couple of years more to work on it.

Again, I really don't understand the issue here. I'm just gonnna chalk it up to "some people just want to bitch at Hasbro." They produce an improved version of a character two years later, and people complain. If they'd just put out the old one, you guys would have been bitching about how they should have improved it. Hasbro put out a cartoon accurate Universe Starscream and people bitch that it's too dull. They put out a toy/comic accurate Cyclonus, and people bitch that it's not as good as the feckin' LILAC Henkei version. Yeah, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I'm getting tired of this kneejerk "Hasbro suck" reaction to everything they do.

New prime has a good bot mode and old prime has a good alt mode. I'll keep this prime in bot mode and have my other prime in alt mode. After seeing his alt mode for this new prime I think the truck lacks compared to the old one. But that's jsut me

Prime got a new mold because he will with 95% certainty, combine with Jetfire.

Sledge wrote:They should've made this one first time round? What an inane argument. The technology and designers behind these are continuously improving. The guys who made this figure have learnt from the last one, and they've had a couple of years more to work on it.

Again, I really don't understand the issue here. I'm just gonnna chalk it up to "some people just want to bitch at Hasbro." They produce an improved version of a character two years later, and people complain. If they'd just put out the old one, you guys would have been bitching about how they should have improved it. Hasbro put out a cartoon accurate Universe Starscream and people bitch that it's too dull. They put out a toy/comic accurate Cyclonus, and people bitch that it's not as good as the feckin' LILAC Henkei version. Yeah, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I'm getting tired of this kneejerk "Hasbro suck" reaction to everything they do.

You seem to really like arguing... I think it's perfectly possible that they could have designed this one originally. There were some pretty intricately designed figures in the first movie line, and they've had decades of experience designing figures now. They were clearly trying to make a quick buck when they released a lot of figures and then released them again with better paint jobs under the Premium banner, so it's not inconceivable that they waited to release a better Optimus Prime mold, knowing they could make twice the profit. But their whole objective is to make a profit and they had to figure out some way to do that when the characters are the same, so it makes sense.

However, as I stated before I can't afford to buy them both, so I may pass on this new one. I'm not complaining that they made it at all, I simply stated that I will probably not buy it. Good for Hasbro on improving their products.

I'm not one of these 'Hasbro-haters' as you seem to think, simply a smart, critical consumer. I don't buy every figure they put out. I compare Hasbro and Takara releases to decide which one I like more, because I can't afford both, or I don't want duplicates of the same figure. I'm buying the Hasbro Cyclonus, because to me it looks more like Cyclonus in my mind, so therefore it's the better figure to me. Hasbro sometimes drops the ball with their paint apps or quality control, but honestly so does Takara. Both companies have done a lot of good things, made a lot of good products and catered to fans quite a bit, and I look at both when considering which figures to add to my collection.

So to sum this all up, I do believe releasing more than one Prime is a somewhat necesary money-making scheme, I don't dislike the new mold, I just probably won't buy it because I have the first one, and for the record I don't hate Hasbro and constantly bitch about their products.

All I said was:

kirbenvost wrote:Meh. I'm fine with the previous Leader Class Prime I've got. I'm kind of tired of this whole Movie business, with the continual 'better' releases of the same character. Maybe if they changed the paint job and got rid of the silly flames, but for now I'll skip it.

I simply stated my opinion on the Movie line in general, and gave reasons why I don't need to buy this one. Nowhere did I complain that they even made it.

Be nice everyone if it werent for hasbro we would have transformers in the US. I'm glad that they make prime in different sizes so all of us can afford a movie prime.

kirbenvost wrote:I simply stated my opinion on the Movie line in general, and gave reasons why I don't need to buy this one. Nowhere did I complain that they even made it.

You didn't? So in what way is

I'm kind of tired of this whole Movie business, with the continual 'better' releases of the same character. Maybe if they changed the paint job and got rid of the silly flames, but for now I'll skip it.

NOT a complaint? Dude, you're not even managing to be consistent with what you've said. You don't like the toy, how it looks, or that it was made BUT that's not a complaint? It's hardly a compliment, is it?

kirbenvost wrote:

Sledge wrote:They should've made this one first time round? What an inane argument. The technology and designers behind these are continuously improving. The guys who made this figure have learnt from the last one, and they've had a couple of years more to work on it.

I think it's perfectly possible that they could have designed this one originally. There were some pretty intricately designed figures in the first movie line, and they've had decades of experience designing figures now. They were clearly trying to make a quick buck when they released a lot of figures and then released them again with better paint jobs under the Premium banner, so it's not inconceivable that they waited to release a better Optimus Prime mold, knowing they could make twice the profit.

What, so first time around they deliberately tried to make it 'less good' just so they could do a cooler version for the sequel?

With the first movie they didn't know whether they had a hit or a miss on their hands. They'd done intricate work before, but that was a very different aesthetic, nothing like the craziness of the Movie designs. They didn't even know if they'd be doing a sequel. The only reason they came out with things like the Premium versions was because it turned out there was such overwhelming demand.

Bumblethumper wrote:

kirbenvost wrote:

Sledge wrote:They should've made this one first time round? What an inane argument. The technology and designers behind these are continuously improving. The guys who made this figure have learnt from the last one, and they've had a couple of years more to work on it.

I think it's perfectly possible that they could have designed this one originally. There were some pretty intricately designed figures in the first movie line, and they've had decades of experience designing figures now. They were clearly trying to make a quick buck when they released a lot of figures and then released them again with better paint jobs under the Premium banner, so it's not inconceivable that they waited to release a better Optimus Prime mold, knowing they could make twice the profit.

What, so first time around they deliberately tried to make it 'less good' just so they could do a cooler version for the sequel?

With the first movie they didn't know whether they had a hit or a miss on their hands. They'd done intricate work before, but that was a very different aesthetic, nothing like the craziness of the Movie designs. They didn't even know if they'd be doing a sequel. The only reason they came out with things like the Premium versions was because it turned out there was such overwhelming demand.

They hooked me I have premium leader prime,vouager iron hide and blackout, deluxe bumblebee and barricade

Sledge wrote:

kirbenvost wrote:I simply stated my opinion on the Movie line in general, and gave reasons why I don't need to buy this one. Nowhere did I complain that they even made it.

You didn't? So in what way is

I'm kind of tired of this whole Movie business, with the continual 'better' releases of the same character. Maybe if they changed the paint job and got rid of the silly flames, but for now I'll skip it.

NOT a complaint? Dude, you're not even managing to be consistent with what you've said. You don't like the toy, how it looks, or that it was made BUT that's not a complaint? It's hardly a compliment, is it?

I never said I didn't like the way it looked, compared to the first one it does look better, but not enough that I want to buy it. The flames were silly to begin with, and always will be. "I'm kind of tired of this whole Movie business, with the continual 'better' releases of the same character" was a complaint about the Movie line in general, not this specific figure. Nowhere did I say I don't like the figure at all or think it's a bad figure, just that I don't like it enough to buy it, because like I said, I like the original one and I'm on a budget. They'll probably release a Premium version anyway, so why should I rush to get this one?

Bumblethumper wrote:What, so first time around they deliberately tried to make it 'less good' just so they could do a cooler version for the sequel?

With the first movie they didn't know whether they had a hit or a miss on their hands. They'd done intricate work before, but that was a very different aesthetic, nothing like the craziness of the Movie designs. They didn't even know if they'd be doing a sequel. The only reason they came out with things like the Premium versions was because it turned out there was such overwhelming demand.

That could be true about them not knowing if it would be a success, but I still think the Premium line was a huge cash-grab. Again, they could have released them in that quality to begin with. A lot of things in the entertainment business are planned years ahead, I'm sure the second movie was being planned long before the release of the first. I'm just speculating of course but I still think it's entirely possible that it was planned this way. They had to do something new, because if they just released the same figures again, a lot less people would buy them.

But seriously, I'm really tired of arguing about this. All I was trying to say is that I don't like it enough to buy it, okay?

i thougth i would get one or two scouts then see what the deluxes would be like get some and that would be enough ROTF for me but then i see this and i must have DARN YOU HASBRO!!!

Sledge wrote:

kirbenvost wrote:I simply stated my opinion on the Movie line in general, and gave reasons why I don't need to buy this one. Nowhere did I complain that they even made it.

You didn't? So in what way is

I'm kind of tired of this whole Movie business, with the continual 'better' releases of the same character. Maybe if they changed the paint job and got rid of the silly flames, but for now I'll skip it.

NOT a complaint? Dude, you're not even managing to be consistent with what you've said. You don't like the toy, how it looks, or that it was made BUT that's not a complaint? It's hardly a compliment, is it?

People are allowed to post their opinions, so stop instigating.