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News Credits: 4 · by **Slashercon** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:07 am

I don't want to go off topic here, but it really is hard to believe that with all the complaining we TF fans do (in this case, a logical complaint), we still have it better than the GI Joe community. There are stores that don't even carry joes anymore and the amount articulation reduction done to figures that came packaged with vehicles is beyond insulting. (Anyway I believe some people are heavily exaggerating the amount of time it takes to transform ROTF Optimus. It takes me up to 4-5 minutes tops. 3 minutes if I'm in a hurry. )

News Credits: 1 · by **Marcdachamp** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:51 am

Honestly, this isn't a bad thing. I've been a Transformers fan for over 20 years and the complexity has gotten out of hand, with Revenge of the Fallen being one of the worst examples. Everyone wants to trip over themselves talking about how great that Optimus Prime figure was, but I don't get it. He was impossible to transform, he felt incredibly fragile and he wasn't fun. I ended up selling mine off.

I'm all for Masterpiece figures having some complexity. After all, it's a $100 collector's piece. But the main toyline off a new movie? Why did Transformers have to stop being intuitive? As a kid, I remember having no problem transforming most bots. I barely even transform my toys anymore. They're too complicated for a 28-year-old. When I bought Sideburn from RiD I was 16. You know how long it took me to transform him the first time? About a half an hour. That's ludicrous, and kids aren't going to want to put up with that.

I'm not advocating "brickformers", but something clearly had to be done, and I'm glad Hasbro sees that.

News Credits: 2 · by **paul053** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:35 am

I don't mind (and care) about the simplicity. IMO, the problem is the CGI designers just draw whatever they want on the paper and then have the toy designers scratching their heads (I'm a programmer so I know the feeling. Many customers just said whatever they like to have on the application and then I have to scratch my head to make it happen). How can you have a part that is in vehicle mode but totally disappeared in robot mode? Unicron trilogy figures were all quite simple to transform but most of them were pretty close to what they look on the screen. Also Hasbro, there is one thing I want to let you know. My son (at 6) is already not quite satisfied about his figures lack a lot of paints or wrong paints comparing to what they looked "on screen", and also the figures came with a different weapon then what they use "on the screen".

News Credits: 6 · by **Dr. Caelus** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:00 am

Smash-Changers have a two step transformation which literally consists of picking up the toy and banging it on something, but they're rated as too complicated for a four year old...

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:10 am

Ya'll remember this guy:

yeah, let's not go there again. Like, ever.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:16 am

Sabrblade wrote:Ya'll remember this guy:

yeah, let's not go there again. Like, ever.

He's not so hard once you know where and how everything goes. Yes, he's fiddly...

And I'm going to do the most sensible thing any fan has ever done: walk away slowly and take things as they come. Remember the Generations Leader Optimus Prime listing? Got that to look forward to. >:oP

Food for thought

by **EunuchRon** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:28 pm

Everyone panic! It's like, OMG a news blurb! A picture of a toy aimed at 5yo kids! End of the world! 8-}

I'm gonna wait and see what hits the shelves, then decide if it rocks or sucks. Don't see why dat's so hard for peeps. >:oP

News Credits: 1 · by **RhA** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:30 pm

Has anyone mentioned 'RUINED FOREVER' yet?

Someone should, man. Someone should.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:34 pm

RhA wrote:Has anyone mentioned 'RUINED FOREVER' yet?

Someone should, man. Someone should.

Bayformers: The Next Generation

News Credits: 5 · by **Convoy** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:24 pm

Hahaha!
I can see the repaint already.

Get ready for....

RED Ultra Magnus!

News Credits: 8 · by **Flashwave** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:27 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Ya'll remember this guy:

yeah, let's not go there again. Like, ever.

He's not so hard once you know where and how everything goes. Yes, he's fiddly...

And I'm going to do the most sensible thing any fan has ever done: walk away slowly and take things as they come. Remember the Generations Leader Optimus Prime listing? Got that to look forward to.

Maybe, but ifor one thought the Ol' Lefty repaint was qorth it.just wish we'd gottwn more Constructicons in Green. I do have TRU Devy running round on a Model Train layout being chased by Spychanger Prime though.

Food for thought

by **User897** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:27 pm

One more piece of **** that nobody will buy and will be kicked across Walmart aisles, comin' up.

by **thedistinctroom** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:02 pm

Simplified Transformers are for simpletons. This is the most disturbing TF news I've read in a while.

Perhaps this is the age of extinction for the brand.

:GHOST:

News Credits: 12 · by **GuyIncognito** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:21 pm

Well, sounds like everything is terrible and there's nothing to live for. Y'all might as well go ahead and kill yourselves.

News Credits: 1 · by **njb902** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:32 pm

thedistinctroom wrote:Simplified Transformers are for simpletons. This is the most disturbing TF news I've read in a while.

Perhaps this is the age of extinction for the brand.

Deity I hope so.

by **Deathscythetransform** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:39 pm

Nice

really nice.

So.

Because of some pussies who can't take a challenge, a Physical one that is, not some virtual **** on the internet, we all get penalized by getting some stupid ass simplistic toys????

the fun of a transforming to is to actually get to transform it!! now, only a flick a the finger and they transform all by themselves???

this toy line is being slowly flushed down the drain...

Marcdachamp wrote: When I bought Sideburn from RiD I was 16. You know how long it took me to transform him the first time? About a half an hour. That's ludicrous, and kids aren't going to want to put up with that.

I'm not advocating "brickformers", but something clearly had to be done, and I'm glad Hasbro sees that.

you took half an our to transform a DELUXE CLASS toy???? it took me only 5 minutes!!! and Ultra Magnus Leader? 10 minutes to figure him out!

I say if you can,t take a challenge, walk away from it!
but at least don't take it way from those who want it!

News Credits: 1 · by **njb902** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:56 pm

Deathscythetransform wrote:Nice

really nice.

So.

Because of some pussies who can't take a challenge, a Physical one that is, not some virtual **** on the internet, we all get penalized by getting some stupid ass simplistic toys????

the fun of a transforming to is to actually get to transform it!! now, only a flick a the finger and they transform all by themselves???

this toy line is being slowly flushed down the drain...

Marcdachamp wrote: When I bought Sideburn from RiD I was 16. You know how long it took me to transform him the first time? About a half an hour. That's ludicrous, and kids aren't going to want to put up with that.

I'm not advocating "brickformers", but something clearly had to be done, and I'm glad Hasbro sees that.

you took half an our to transform a DELUXE CLASS toy???? it took me only 5 minutes!!! and Ultra Magnus Leader? 10 minutes to figure him out!

I say if you can,t take a challenge, walk away from it!
but at least don't take it way from those who want it!

I feel sorry for you.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:59 pm

thedistinctroom wrote:Simplified Transformers are for simpletons.

So making kids toys easier for kids makes the kids stupid?

While simultaneously still creating more complex toys for older people?

hmmmm....

News Credits: 1 · by **RhA** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:03 pm

Marcdachamp wrote: When I bought Sideburn from RiD I was 16. You know how long it took me to transform him the first time? About a half an hour. That's ludicrous, and kids aren't going to want to put up with that.

I'm not advocating "brickformers", but something clearly had to be done, and I'm glad Hasbro sees that.

I had a similar experience with ol' Sideburn. The first time I tried to transform him, I was REALLY hung over. I was so wasted, I nearly puked.

thedistinctroom wrote:Simplified Transformers are for simpletons. This is the most disturbing TF news I've read in a while.

Perhaps this is the age of extinction for the brand.

He writes, while having Trypticon for a sig.

News Credits: 2 · by **sabrigami** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:13 pm

What bothers me about this, is that I was actually looking forward to regular type transformers being made for this line. I want good Dinobot figures. I really do. It's not that I have anything against simpler Tfs. I actually like them more in some cases because they are easier to play with. The TFP revealers and many of the commander/scout toys have been fantastic. The problem comes from the fact that Hasbro seems to have trouble balancing the quality of them. Their recent experiments (like the upcoming TFP toys) have been less than stellar so far.

News Credits: 1 · by **njb902** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:20 pm

sabrigami wrote:What bothers me about this, is that I was actually looking forward to regular type transformers being made for this line. I want good Dinobot figures. I really do. It's not that I have anything against simpler Tfs. I actually like them more in some cases because they are easier to play with. The TFP revealers and many of the commander/scout toys have been fantastic. The problem comes from the fact that Hasbro seems to have trouble balancing the quality of them. Their recent experiments (like the upcoming TFP toys) have been less than stellar so far.

An excellent point. Though I'm hoping that the TFP stuff was enough practice for Hasbro to get it more right this time. I do have to say I did enjoy quite a few of the latter TFP toys.

by **Deathscythetransform** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:32 pm

njb902 wrote:
Deathscythetransform wrote:Nice

really nice.

So.

Because of some pussies who can't take a challenge, a Physical one that is, not some virtual **** on the internet, we all get penalized by getting some stupid ass simplistic toys????

the fun of a transforming to is to actually get to transform it!! now, only a flick a the finger and they transform all by themselves???

this toy line is being slowly flushed down the drain...

Marcdachamp wrote: When I bought Sideburn from RiD I was 16. You know how long it took me to transform him the first time? About a half an hour. That's ludicrous, and kids aren't going to want to put up with that.

I'm not advocating "brickformers", but something clearly had to be done, and I'm glad Hasbro sees that.

you took half an our to transform a DELUXE CLASS toy???? it took me only 5 minutes!!! and Ultra Magnus Leader? 10 minutes to figure him out!

I say if you can,t take a challenge, walk away from it!
but at least don't take it way from those who want it!

I feel sorry for you.

why? because I enjoy complex transformations, of because I find it ludicrous that someone took half an hour to transform a simplistic toy such as sideburn?? seriously, the RID line was so simlistic it was stupid.

the only transformer I had few difficulties was MP 05 Masterpiece Magatron... because he is such a poopy figure he was constantly falling apart while I was converting him!

News Credits: 1 · by **Marcdachamp** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:38 pm

Deathscythetransform wrote:Nice

really nice.

So.

Because of some pussies who can't take a challenge, a Physical one that is, not some virtual **** on the internet, we all get penalized by getting some stupid ass simplistic toys????

the fun of a transforming to is to actually get to transform it!! now, only a flick a the finger and they transform all by themselves???

this toy line is being slowly flushed down the drain...

Marcdachamp wrote: When I bought Sideburn from RiD I was 16. You know how long it took me to transform him the first time? About a half an hour. That's ludicrous, and kids aren't going to want to put up with that.

I'm not advocating "brickformers", but something clearly had to be done, and I'm glad Hasbro sees that.

you took half an our to transform a DELUXE CLASS toy???? it took me only 5 minutes!!! and Ultra Magnus Leader? 10 minutes to figure him out!

I say if you can,t take a challenge, walk away from it!
but at least don't take it way from those who want it!

Physical challenge? :lol:

Congrats on being a walking Transformers fan stereotype, and a reminder on how toxic the fan community can be at its worst. "If it's not the way I like it, my childhood has been destroyed!"

by **amtm** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:51 pm

The Goldner quote is just typical B.S. from the PR department whenever a company releases a new product. These designs don't recapture the magic of the originals, they mimic the failed designs of the later 80s like the Duocons and the pretenders, which along with the 1986 movie fallout nearly killed off the brand. What you need is a healthy balance, not extreme simplicity or extreme complexity. Give a toy that does all the work for you via springs or electronics to a kid and they will get bored within a day or two. Give them something that inspires them to let their imagination run wild and they'll love it forever.

by **EunuchRon** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:11 pm

Burn wrote:
thedistinctroom wrote:Simplified Transformers are for simpletons.

So making kids toys easier for kids makes the kids stupid?

While simultaneously still creating more complex toys for older people?

hmmmm....

Everyone in this thread is believing the first one but not the second one. They think it's going to be shellformers all the way down.