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The 200X line failed due to what Mattel and Cartoon Network did.

Mattel because they kept releasing nothing but silly He-Man and Skeletor variants with barely any releases of the rest of the cast, which is hilarious considering that the toon existed to sell the toys and the characters where there and given extensive origins to advertise and sell the toys.

And Cartoon Network:
The show was popular and had good ratings, it was also aired durign the best airing slot for a cartoon, then CN moved its slot to later in the day believing it would keep its ratings, but it didn't. So they kept moving it without notice and because that hurt ratings even more they cancelled it. The show was also written by most of the original writers of the original.

Hell, the only reason I managed to actually watch it back then was because I was ill for two weeks so I was at home instead of school when it aired over here.

Oh, and the toys where designed by Four Horsemen, who designed the originals back in the day.

the only reason why the Classics were a success was because they directly targeted adult collectors with a nostalgia boner who were willing to pay the high prices, plus they were sold directly to the customers instead of stores. That means that there were no cases stores had to purchase and sell of before they could restock on the figures actual children would buy.


So lets recount, He-Man 2002 was written by the same guys that wrote the original show, designed by the same guys as the original toys, but mismanaged by idiots.

This reminds me, I still need to get myself one of the Skeletors, the Skeletor design of that show was badass.

Dead Metal wrote:So lets recount, He-Man 2002 was written by the same guys that wrote the original show, designed by the same guys as the original toys, but mismanaged by idiots.

Well that's very different to what duragrip says...

Burn wrote:

duragrip wrote:The 200X writers were given creative and artistic license, free reign, and they hated Mattel influencing the content and flow of the 'their' cartoon. So, the show failed due to lack of toy sales. She-ra was planned to be introduced in the next season, but that did not happen because the writers became divas, pre-madonnas, and debutantes. They thought that they owned the show, so they would not listen to Mattel when Mattel was asking them to position certain characters (eg. Snakemen) in certain episodes strategically in order to get kids to buy the toys. It was too late because the writers did not want to give up the freedom that they were initially given.

You can back all that up with evidence yes?

I have no evidence. I'm just speculating based on rumor.

Dead Metal wrote:The 200X line failed due to what Mattel and Cartoon Network did.

Mattel because they kept releasing nothing but silly He-Man and Skeletor variants with barely any releases of the rest of the cast, which is hilarious considering that the toon existed to sell the toys and the characters where there and given extensive origins to advertise and sell the toys.

And Cartoon Network:
The show was popular and had good ratings, it was also aired durign the best airing slot for a cartoon, then CN moved its slot to later in the day believing it would keep its ratings, but it didn't. So they kept moving it without notice and because that hurt ratings even more they cancelled it. The show was also written by most of the original writers of the original.

Hell, the only reason I managed to actually watch it back then was because I was ill for two weeks so I was at home instead of school when it aired over here.

Oh, and the toys where designed by Four Horsemen, who designed the originals back in the day.

the only reason why the Classics were a success was because they directly targeted adult collectors with a nostalgia boner who were willing to pay the high prices, plus they were sold directly to the customers instead of stores. That means that there were no cases stores had to purchase and sell of before they could restock on the figures actual children would buy.


So lets recount, He-Man 2002 was written by the same guys that wrote the original show, designed by the same guys as the original toys, but mismanaged by idiots.

This reminds me, I still need to get myself one of the Skeletors, the Skeletor design of that show was badass.

DM? You mean to say the early 80s He-man MOTU toys were also designed by the 4 Horsemen group? I know that Larry DiTillo (old vets from the 1980s show) was involved in the new cartoon but the designers as well?

Are the 4 Horsemen related to Roger Sweet, head R/D of Mattel during the 1970s to 80s? He sort of pitched the He-man/barbarian schtick to the head honchos of Mattel back in those days. If that is the case, then online sources are wrong because they mentioned that the 4 Horsemen founders left McFarlane toys in the late 1990s.

I'm more willing to accept DMs version as a base for real events. Duragrip your version seems to want to blame the shows creators for not just putting the vastly inferior (in my opinion before people try to hunt me down) 80s toon back on the air with the old figs on shelves.

I have a new question though...whats the purpose of this thread now? Duragrip has admitted there is better g/f then adora...who should never be under consideration. Though imagine if they decided to make He-man gay? I know there's been plenty said about the matter.

The way the world is going, would it be so bad? Although the counter argument would be that characters should not be defined by their sexuality and that changes for shock value are just as wrong. Opinions on this?

ZeroWolf wrote:I'm more willing to accept DMs version as a base for real events. Duragrip your version seems to want to blame the shows creators for not just putting the vastly inferior (in my opinion before people try to hunt me down) 80s toon back on the air with the old figs on shelves.

I have a new question though...whats the purpose of this thread now? Duragrip has admitted there is better g/f then adora...who should never be under consideration.

The purpose of this thread is to bring Filmation He-man and She-ra back to life and back into retail stores. Why is Adora off the table? I want her and The Sorceress.

duragrip wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I'm more willing to accept DMs version as a base for real events. Duragrip your version seems to want to blame the shows creators for not just putting the vastly inferior (in my opinion before people try to hunt me down) 80s toon back on the air with the old figs on shelves.

I have a new question though...whats the purpose of this thread now? Duragrip has admitted there is better g/f then adora...who should never be under consideration.

The purpose of this thread is to bring Filmation He-man and She-ra back to life and back into retail stores. Why is Adora off the table? I want her and The Sorceress.

Then maybe you should take this to a He-Man forum?

This is a Transformers forum, the majority of people here are Transformer fans, you'll be wanting to attract He-Man fans.

And on that note ... I think we should lock this thread yeah?

fenrir72 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:The 200X line failed due to what Mattel and Cartoon Network did.

Mattel because they kept releasing nothing but silly He-Man and Skeletor variants with barely any releases of the rest of the cast, which is hilarious considering that the toon existed to sell the toys and the characters where there and given extensive origins to advertise and sell the toys.

And Cartoon Network:
The show was popular and had good ratings, it was also aired durign the best airing slot for a cartoon, then CN moved its slot to later in the day believing it would keep its ratings, but it didn't. So they kept moving it without notice and because that hurt ratings even more they cancelled it. The show was also written by most of the original writers of the original.

Hell, the only reason I managed to actually watch it back then was because I was ill for two weeks so I was at home instead of school when it aired over here.

Oh, and the toys where designed by Four Horsemen, who designed the originals back in the day.

the only reason why the Classics were a success was because they directly targeted adult collectors with a nostalgia boner who were willing to pay the high prices, plus they were sold directly to the customers instead of stores. That means that there were no cases stores had to purchase and sell of before they could restock on the figures actual children would buy.


So lets recount, He-Man 2002 was written by the same guys that wrote the original show, designed by the same guys as the original toys, but mismanaged by idiots.

This reminds me, I still need to get myself one of the Skeletors, the Skeletor design of that show was badass.

DM? You mean to say the early 80s He-man MOTU toys were also designed by the 4 Horsemen group? I know that Larry DiTillo (old vets from the 1980s show) was involved in the new cartoon but the designers as well?

Are the 4 Horsemen related to Roger Sweet, head R/D of Mattel during the 1970s to 80s? He sort of pitched the He-man/barbarian schtick to the head honchos of Mattel back in those days. If that is the case, then online sources are wrong because they mentioned that the 4 Horsemen founders left McFarlane toys in the late 1990s.

Ah OK, got that wrong then, must have gotten mixed up. Yeah, $H wasn't part of the original MOTU. Still, DiTillo and others still worked on both toons.

G1 Omega Supreme would make an awesome MOTU character, as the guardian of Grayskull.

I'm all for locking this thread if it's only purpose from the beginning was to some how get he-man toys back into stores with the original toyline. I mean, I have no idea on how this was supposed to work.. Only thing I'm taking away from this is what happened to the good 2000s series.

Oh and Duragrip, omega won't save this thread. So please just keep tfs far away as possible from transformers. Only other Hasbro toyline they have a legitimate reason to crossover with is G.I Joe

When I was a little kid the only toys I wanted, that I never got, were G1 Omega Supreme and Thunder-Punch He-man because of the cool gimmicks. I finally got my Omega earlier this year. I got the classic MOTUC He-man because I figure I would just display him, so there would be no point in getting the thunder-punch because it did not look like the Filmation He-man. Still the Thunder-Punch He-man commercial in the 80's tempts me to get one. But I heard the Horsemen's thunder-punch He-man does not have as much pop in the action feature as the original did. Is it still worth it to buy, or will it be a disappointment?

duragrip wrote:G1 Omega Supreme would make an awesome MOTU character, as the guardian of Grayskull.

Nope! Not going to happen! You've been told before about dragging your Omega Supreme obsession to other threads.