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Is aligned Hot Shot, from the Prime toy line, supposed to be this continuities Hot Rod? Are they one in the same? I know the aesthetics appear some what different, color and the like, but from what I can tell Hot Shot is Hot Rod in the WFC/FOC/PRIME universe. Comments?


Bonus question - If this is how Hasbro says it is how to you reconcile Rumble from Prime? I mean, in WFC/FOC he is a data disc paired with Soundwave, but in the Prime toy line he is independent tuner car. I would like to incorporate this figure into my WFC/FOC collection somehow, but I cannot reconcile having both the data disc version and the car. I thought about customing Rumble into someone else, but I cannot think of a good fit for him. I thought about doing a Breakdown or something from him. Any ideas or thoughts?

I don't think Hot Shot is Hot Rod, personally, but unless he shows up in TF:Prime (the show), I guess we'll never really know.

As for Rumble, I don't see why he can't be both a data disc and a car, since the data disc form is his Cybertronian alt mode. The car can be his alt mode, just as Laserbeak became that weird drone thing instead of a data disc/cassette and Soundwave himself became a drone plane.

As for the Aligned continuity in general, I do not believe that it is all a single 'universe' in the same sense that season 1 of G1, the 86 movie and seasons 2, 3 and 4 of G1 were. Instead, I believe Aligned is just a set of rules of the Transformers concept, history and characters to which all Transformers media must adhere, meaning they cannot suddenly say for example that there are no such things as sparks, that Unicron doesn't exist, or that Megatron isn't the leader of the Decepticons. WfC/FoC is not the exact, detailed history of events leading up to TF:Prime, it's just another story/medium about the Transformers which aligns itself with the core concepts of the Transformers as defined by the Aligned continuity's 'bible'.

That's why, for example, in TF:Prime, when the Nemesis got infused with Dark Energon and took on a will of its own and spoke, Megatron and the other Decepticons didn't know who it was or what its mission was, even though in FoC it's made quite clear that the Nemesis is Trypticon converted into a ship with his ability to have any sort of transformation, speech and free will eliminated.

Personally, I like keeping my Prime and WFC lines separate in all aspects, even if characters in either line share the same foundation. Which obviously goes for WFC Hot Rod and Prime Hot Shot as well.

xyl360 - The aligned continuity is the same universe. look it up. Hasbro said this will be the basis for all their media going forward. It is a fact that Prime/WFC/FOC all take place in the continuity. They siad there are some minor contradictions, but they will clarify them. But I digress as my question is Prime Hot Shot supposed to be Hot Rod in that universe? Sources suggest they are, but they are not clearly comparable like FOC Wheeljack to Prime Wheeljack. They say that they would have named the Prime Hot Shot toy Hot Rod, but they could not trademark the name "Hot Rod". Makes sense. Thoughts?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Personally, I like keeping my Prime and WFC lines separate in all aspects, even if characters in either line share the same foundation. Which obviously goes for WFC Hot Rod and Prime Hot Shot as well.

I can respect that you recongise the fact that they exist in the same continuity, yet want to keep them seperate. Let me ask you this, what figures from the Prime line would you personally find acceptable in your WFC/FOC collection, if any? I have a few opinions, but I am curious to see what others think?

shockblast2 wrote:xyl360 - The aligned continuity is the same universe. look it up. Hasbro said this will be the basis for all their media going forward. It is a fact that Prime/WFC/FOC all take place in the continuity. They siad there are some minor contradictions, but they will clarify them. But I digress as my question is Prime Hot Shot supposed to be Hot Rod in that universe? Sources suggest they are, but they are not clearly comparable like FOC Wheeljack to Prime Wheeljack. They say that they would have named the Prime Hot Shot toy Hot Rod, but they could not trademark the name "Hot Rod". Makes sense. Thoughts?

Perhaps you're right (and I have 'looked it up', I've been reading up on it since the beginning ).

As for the name, if they wanted him to be 'Hot Rod', then they probably would have named him Rodimus, as that's the name they've been using for Hot Rod since they were unable to secure the trademark for his original name, so my guess is that Hot Shot is Hot Shot and that Hot Rod just doesn't exist in Prime, or at least not yet.

Any don't forget, any ideas to use Prime Rumble in any fashion in a WFC/FOC collection? I am preety good at painting them, just not as good coming up with conceptual ideas for them. And Brainstorming on this would help me out tremendously. Thanks guys!!

Yes, Aligned Hot Shot becomes Rodimus in this continuity. Hasbro said that they wanted us to see how he became Rodimus, however. This may be implying a Hot Shot-centric cartoon or comic sometime in the near future, but they're essentially the same guy.

When it comes Prime Rumble All I can say is:

US Rumble: own entity
Arms Micron Red Guy: FoC Red Guy
Arms Micron Blue Guy: FoC Blue Guy

shockblast2 wrote:Any don't forget, any ideas to use Prime Rumble in any fashion in a WFC/FOC collection? I am preety good at painting them, just not as good coming up with conceptual ideas for them. And Brainstorming on this would help me out tremendously. Thanks guys!!

Again I ask why he can't just be Rumble? Assuming that their 'Earth' modes don't come with too strict size restrictions, I see no reason why a 'data disc' bot cannot take on a compact car alt mode.

Also, you mention Breakdown, but the TF:Prime universe already has a Breakdown, and he (unlike the character in WfC/FoC), is a big blue truck (yet another reason why I do NOT believe that they are really 'one universe' and 'one continuity', regardless of what Hasbro claims).

If you want TF:Prime Rumble to be something other than Rumble though, then I could see him being one of the generic Decepticon bots, like maybe one of these guys that turns into a car-like vehicle:


So he could basically become somewhat of another 'Vehicon' (generic Decepticon warrior/drone) in your collection.

xyl360 wrote:Also, you mention Breakdown, but the TF:Prime universe already has a Breakdown, and he (unlike the character in WfC/FoC), is a big blue truck (yet another reason why I do NOT believe that they are really 'one universe' and 'one continuity', regardless of what Hasbro claims).

His Voyager's bio states that Breakdown upgraded into the bulky bruiser body to clash fists with Bulkhead.

xyl360 wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:xyl360 - The aligned continuity is the same universe. look it up. Hasbro said this will be the basis for all their media going forward. It is a fact that Prime/WFC/FOC all take place in the continuity. They siad there are some minor contradictions, but they will clarify them. But I digress as my question is Prime Hot Shot supposed to be Hot Rod in that universe? Sources suggest they are, but they are not clearly comparable like FOC Wheeljack to Prime Wheeljack. They say that they would have named the Prime Hot Shot toy Hot Rod, but they could not trademark the name "Hot Rod". Makes sense. Thoughts?

Perhaps you're right (and I have 'looked it up', I've been reading up on it since the beginning ).

As for the name, if they wanted him to be 'Hot Rod', then they probably would have named him Rodimus, as that's the name they've been using for Hot Rod since they were unable to secure the trademark for his original name, so my guess is that Hot Shot is Hot Shot and that Hot Rod just doesn't exist in Prime, or at least not yet.

Hot Rod and Rodmius are as different as Orion Pax and Optimus, so I have to disagree. I thought the same thing, but the fact is Rodimus and Hot Rod are different incarnations. So, just because they did not name Hot Shot rodimus does not take away from the evidence that suggests that Hot Shot is Hot rod.

Now, this imy personal OP, but if they are disctinct then why are they never seperate in any continuity that I know of? In armada Hot Rod did not exist. In G1 Hot Shot did not exist. The only one I don't know about is animated. This further seems to suggest that they had the same mold of character in mind in these seperate continuites. Again, I digress because the subject is WFC/Prime, but it does seem to back up the evidence.

xyl360 wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:Any don't forget, any ideas to use Prime Rumble in any fashion in a WFC/FOC collection? I am preety good at painting them, just not as good coming up with conceptual ideas for them. And Brainstorming on this would help me out tremendously. Thanks guys!!

Again I ask why he can't just be Rumble? Assuming that their 'Earth' modes don't come with too strict size restrictions, I see no reason why a 'data disc' bot cannot take on a compact car alt mode.

Also, you mention Breakdown, but the TF:Prime universe already has a Breakdown, and he (unlike the character in WfC/FoC), is a big blue truck (yet another reason why I do NOT believe that they are really 'one universe' and 'one continuity', regardless of what Hasbro claims).

If you want TF:Prime Rumble to be something other than Rumble though, then I could see him being one of the generic Decepticon bots, like maybe one of these guys that turns into a car-like vehicle:


So he could basically become somewhat of another 'Vehicon' (generic Decepticon warrior/drone) in your collection.

I like to think of it like history. Prime is right now, while wfc, foc, and the books/comics are a historical perspective full with contradictions, inaccuracies, lies, and omissions.

By all accounts that I've seen, PRiD Hot Shot is so named because "Hot Rod" was not available for copyright.

Also, as has been mentioned:

PrymeStriker wrote:Yes, Aligned Hot Shot becomes Rodimus in this continuity. Hasbro said that they wanted us to see how he became Rodimus, however. This may be implying a Hot Shot-centric cartoon or comic sometime in the near future, but they're essentially the same guy.

As for Rumble... I guess if you're a stickler for Cassette/data disk/Soundwave-internal-storage-style altmodes, then Prime FRumble won't be for you. Personally, I display PRiD FRumble with GDO Laserbeak and FoC Voyager Soundwave. They look FANTASTIC together, I just wish Hasbro would do a red redeco.

xyl360 wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:Any don't forget, any ideas to use Prime Rumble in any fashion in a WFC/FOC collection? I am preety good at painting them, just not as good coming up with conceptual ideas for them. And Brainstorming on this would help me out tremendously. Thanks guys!!

Again I ask why he can't just be Rumble? Assuming that their 'Earth' modes don't come with too strict size restrictions, I see no reason why a 'data disc' bot cannot take on a compact car alt mode.

Also, you mention Breakdown, but the TF:Prime universe already has a Breakdown, and he (unlike the character in WfC/FoC), is a big blue truck (yet another reason why I do NOT believe that they are really 'one universe' and 'one continuity', regardless of what Hasbro claims).

If you want TF:Prime Rumble to be something other than Rumble though, then I could see him being one of the generic Decepticon bots, like maybe one of these guys that turns into a car-like vehicle:



So he could basically become somewhat of another 'Vehicon' (generic Decepticon warrior/drone) in your collection.

Your theory on Rumbles alt modes I can agree with. Make sense. Breakdown, however, is as the other member said, upgraded armor. If you buy the Ultra Magnus G1 explanation then this sounds similar. I personally would rather use a FOC Jazz or even maybe the Rumble earth mode to make a FOC Breakdown though. It would look weird putting Prime Breakdown next to a custom FOC Motormastor (FOC Ultra Magnus) or Wildrider (FOC Sideswipe) in my collection at least.
Thanks for the idea on the drones, but those are the Vehicons. I need a character that isn't a drone. Really tow, because I would like to use that mold for a autobot too. Maybe G1 Skids to FOC Skids perhaps? Help me on this guys, I am stuck on this one.
BTW, I use Prime Kup as my FOC kup. Any suggestions for a custom FOC figure with that mold too? FOC Brawn perhaps? Keep it coming guys I REALLY appeciate it!

Watching discussions like this is like watching a dog chase its own tail.

GuyIncognito wrote:Watching discussions like this is like watching a dog chase its own tail.

And every fandom has them.

RAcast wrote:

GuyIncognito wrote:Watching discussions like this is like watching a dog chase its own tail.

And every fandom has them.

I don't get it? Why is that? My question is pretty much answered, I just want some ideas for these customs at this point. You too seem to be good at throwing your OP in on the first question, any input on a custom idea for RID Rumble for a FOC character? Autobot or decepticon? I was thinking Skids or Breakdown maybe?

shockblast2 wrote:

RAcast wrote:

GuyIncognito wrote:Watching discussions like this is like watching a dog chase its own tail.

And every fandom has them.

I don't get it? Why is that? My question is pretty much answered, I just want some ideas for these customs at this point. You too seem to be good at throwing your OP in on the first question, any input on a custom idea for RID Rumble for a FOC character? Autobot or decepticon? I was thinking Skids or Breakdown maybe?

Gurren Lagann. If you happen to have the drill piece from Hero Factory's Drill Dozer (among other sets, that's just the one that comes to mind), it fits snugly over FRumble's gun/pile driver.

PrymeStriker wrote:

xyl360 wrote:Also, you mention Breakdown, but the TF:Prime universe already has a Breakdown, and he (unlike the character in WfC/FoC), is a big blue truck (yet another reason why I do NOT believe that they are really 'one universe' and 'one continuity', regardless of what Hasbro claims).

His Voyager's bio states that Breakdown upgraded into the bulky bruiser body to clash fists with Bulkhead.

Also, he was dating Beyonce at the time.

xyl360 wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:xyl360 - The aligned continuity is the same universe. look it up. Hasbro said this will be the basis for all their media going forward. It is a fact that Prime/WFC/FOC all take place in the continuity. They siad there are some minor contradictions, but they will clarify them. But I digress as my question is Prime Hot Shot supposed to be Hot Rod in that universe? Sources suggest they are, but they are not clearly comparable like FOC Wheeljack to Prime Wheeljack. They say that they would have named the Prime Hot Shot toy Hot Rod, but they could not trademark the name "Hot Rod". Makes sense. Thoughts?

Perhaps you're right (and I have 'looked it up', I've been reading up on it since the beginning ).

As for the name, if they wanted him to be 'Hot Rod', then they probably would have named him Rodimus, as that's the name they've been using for Hot Rod since they were unable to secure the trademark for his original name, so my guess is that Hot Shot is Hot Shot and that Hot Rod just doesn't exist in Prime, or at least not yet.

wonder why they've not just given in an started calling him "Autobot Hot Rod" or "Cavalier Hot Rod" or some other guff like they have with other characters?


Anyway, to give my OP (sic) on this matter: I don't even think of the Prime Hot Shot toy as Hot Shot, let alone as Hot Rod. He's Gearbox, a former engineer/mechanic who's taken up weapon design following the outbreak of civil war on Cybeertron, but who is a little too eager to test out his new inventions sometimes.

He's not at all like G1 Wheeljack. He doesn't even have the same accent!

craggy wrote:Anyway, to give my OP (sic) on this matter: I don't even think of the Prime Hot Shot toy as Hot Shot, let alone as Hot Rod. He's Gearbox, a former engineer/mechanic who's taken up weapon design following the outbreak of civil war on Cybeertron, but who is a little too eager to test out his new inventions sometimes.

He's not at all like G1 Wheeljack. He doesn't even have the same accent!

Hey, the Aligned continuity needs THAT GUY, the universe is a lesser place without some mad sciency magic!

I keep the lines apart as much as possible, and to be honest I hate the idea of Hot Shot being Hot Rod. Why can't Hot Shot be his own character? And if I sound a little biased it's because I am little bit. I grew up with the Unicron Trilogy and I loved the Hot Shot character.Heck, even in Animated they were separate characters. And yes I do know this is the new Aligned continuity, but I think Hot Shot should just be his own character.

And on the Rumble thing, I could see him painted up as a WFC/FOC Skids.

Ops...... Double post

Because he bares NO resemblance to the G1 character I renamed Prime Rumble Rumbler.