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News Credits: 131 · by **no-one** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:33 pm

That head sculpt is sick!

This silver is very slick looking. I kinda wish they did all the yellow in it.

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:56 pm

Sabrblade wrote:It's pics like this that make feel like saying "Eat you heart out, Hasbro."

Yeah, they clearly did not/were not allowed to invest much effort into the figures' re-uses. Just look at all the dumb, lackluster repaints, the clash figures - not even including strongarm :roll:

, the 'artic' bs - don't get me wrong, they look much nicer, but they were probably 'shopped;

The least they could do - since they are doing unimaginative repaints - is release a 'nemesis' line. Could you imagine Nemesis o/p with Nemesis Drift =P~

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:24 pm

That Bee is so beautiful in hand. I wish the little side pieces to the head armor actually stuck out instead of being stuck to the figures head, but it still looks amazing. Can't Wait for mine!!! (RK still hasn't shipped!!! :BOOM:

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by **Rated X** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:45 pm

Sabrblade wrote:It's pics like this that make feel like saying "Eat you heart out, Hasbro."

I stand by what Ive been saying for years. Hasbro versions only exist to justify Takaras overpriced existance. They all come from the same mold in china anyways. Thats about 50 cents worth of extra paint and and additional 10 cents to pay the poor Chinese factory worker to apply it. That "Asian market" excuse is the biggest fraud of all time.

News Credits: 101 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:52 pm

Rated X wrote:
I stand by what Ive been saying for years. Hasbro versions only exist to justify Takaras overpriced existance. They all come from the same mold in china anyways. Thats about 50 cents worth of extra paint and and additional 10 cents to pay the poor Chinese factory worker to apply it. That "Asian market" excuse is the biggest fraud of all time.

X, we had this discussion before and it was proven that TFs in Japan are the SAME PRICE as their American's counterparts.

So, shoo, shoo!

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:25 pm

Rated X wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:It's pics like this that make feel like saying "Eat you heart out, Hasbro."

I stand by what Ive been saying for years. Hasbro versions only exist to justify Takaras overpriced existance. They all come from the same mold in china anyways. Thats about 50 cents worth of extra paint and and additional 10 cents to pay the poor Chinese factory worker to apply it. That "Asian market" excuse is the biggest fraud of all time.

This isn't a difference in paint, though. There's a whole bunch of new-molded plastic parts on the Takara version. Hasbro's is just a repaint of the original, while Takara's has a new head, a new chest, new arms, new leg armor, and a new weapon.

Ironically, though, Takara's looks almost identical to the original figure in car mode, as all the new parts and new colors only show up in robot mode, whereas Hasbro's version does have new paint in vehicle mode:

by **Rated X** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:14 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
Rated X wrote:
I stand by what Ive been saying for years. Hasbro versions only exist to justify Takaras overpriced existance. They all come from the same mold in china anyways. Thats about 50 cents worth of extra paint and and additional 10 cents to pay the poor Chinese factory worker to apply it. That "Asian market" excuse is the biggest fraud of all time.

X, we had this discussion before and it was proven that TFs in Japan are the SAME PRICE as their American's counterparts.

So, shoo, shoo!

I remember that. But the bottom line is SOMEBODY is still profiting off Takaras existence.

News Credits: 101 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:23 pm

Rated X wrote:I remember that. But the bottom line is SOMEBODY is still profiting off Takaras existence.

Jesus faux-king Christ, X, are you doing this on purpose?

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:24 pm

Rated X wrote:I remember that. But the bottom line is SOMEBODY is still profiting off Takaras existence.

The fans in Japan who buy things domestically?

News Credits: 101 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:36 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Rated X wrote:I remember that. But the bottom line is SOMEBODY is still profiting off Takaras existence.
The fans in Japan who buy things domestically?

Let's not bother anymore. At that point, he's either a lost cause or he's trolling hard.

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:00 pm

Rated X wrote:I stand by what Ive been saying for years. Hasbro versions only exist to justify Takaras overpriced existance. They all come from the same mold in china anyways. Thats about 50 cents worth of extra paint and and additional 10 cents to pay the poor Chinese factory worker to apply it. That "Asian market" excuse is the biggest fraud of all time.

Less this, more hasbro wanting to maximize profits on a bunch of effortless (literally, no effort was put into the clash figures) repaints.

They could have released a clash strongarm.

They could have given them better paint jobs.

They could have remolded a couple of parts to make them look more the part.

They didn't, and I'm not surprised, just disappointed >:oP

News Credits: 3 · by **Starsaber468** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:31 pm

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Rated X wrote:I stand by what Ive been saying for years. Hasbro versions only exist to justify Takaras overpriced existance. They all come from the same mold in china anyways. Thats about 50 cents worth of extra paint and and additional 10 cents to pay the poor Chinese factory worker to apply it. That "Asian market" excuse is the biggest fraud of all time.

Less this, more hasbro wanting to maximize profits on a bunch of effortless (literally, no effort was put into the clash figures) repaints.

They could have released a clash strongarm.

They could have given them better paint jobs.

They could have remolded a couple of parts to make them look more the part.

They didn't, and I'm not surprised, just disappointed

They did do some remolding look at the chest and the arms... wait can someone post a picture of what bumblebees upgraded form looked like in the cartoon and how show accurate is it because I wanna see uf it needs reprolabels

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:34 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Rated X wrote:I remember that. But the bottom line is SOMEBODY is still profiting off Takaras existence.
The fans in Japan who buy things domestically?

More like resellers who pass the expense of actually acquiring stock (including extra fees like import and storage) on to their customers. And X, beating that dead horse over and over won't make it any more alive (read as: the more you keep putting the same argument forward the less people will listen to you). Now, let's call it a night and move on. >:oP

Those images have me thinking about the new parts actually being pre-tooled, as in built-in by standard. Then again, Takara-Tomy's Optimus Prime has me think otherwise, having no Hasbro involvement whatsoever.

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:37 pm

Starsaber468 wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Rated X wrote:I stand by what Ive been saying for years. Hasbro versions only exist to justify Takaras overpriced existance. They all come from the same mold in china anyways. Thats about 50 cents worth of extra paint and and additional 10 cents to pay the poor Chinese factory worker to apply it. That "Asian market" excuse is the biggest fraud of all time.

Less this, more hasbro wanting to maximize profits on a bunch of effortless (literally, no effort was put into the clash figures) repaints.

They could have released a clash strongarm.

They could have given them better paint jobs.

They could have remolded a couple of parts to make them look more the part.

They didn't, and I'm not surprised, just disappointed

They did do some remolding look at the chest and the arms... wait can someone post a picture of what bumblebees upgraded form looked like in the cartoon and how show accurate is it because I wanna see uf it needs reprolabels

There was no remolding for the clash figures. TAV 29 is a takara exclusive remold to look like bumblebee's upgraded form. Takara and hasbro both put out basic repaints of Prime, Bee and Swipe for the line based on the season finale. Swipe's and Prime's actually looks good, but Bee looks far better in his retail non-clash self. the TAV version is soooooo much better though.

by **Ultra Markus** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:39 pm

again with 100 versions of bumble bee

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:48 pm

Ultra Markus wrote:again with 100 versions of bumble bee

Not sure what you mean? Hasbro has their 2 actual tf's (warrior and legend), now TT need their own versions for their audience - so they don't have to import them (but, being so unpainted, why would they); that they are willing to got the extra mile and give us a heavily re-molded show accurate version, is just TT being nice >:oP

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:59 pm

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:again with 100 versions of bumble bee

Not sure what you mean? Hasbro has their 2 actual tf's (warrior and legend), now TT need their own versions for their audience - so they don't have to import them (but, being so unpainted, why would they); that they are willing to got the extra mile and give us a heavily re-molded show accurate version, is just TT being nice

And we appreciate the extra effort that have put in. They have given us great looking figures and even gone ahead and remolded some and even made entirely new sculpts. They really have spoiled us

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:07 pm

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:again with 100 versions of bumble bee

Not sure what you mean? Hasbro has their 2 actual tf's (warrior and legend), now TT need their own versions for their audience - so they don't have to import them (but, being so unpainted, why would they); that they are willing to got the extra mile and give us a heavily re-molded show accurate version, is just TT being nice

He's referring to all the redecos plus retools we've had so far:

1) Bumblebee
2) Night Ops Bumblebee
3) Clash of the Transformers Bumblebee
4) Night Strike Bumblebee
5) TAV29 Bumblebee Supreme Mode

This is heading towards DotM Bumblebee all over again.

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:07 pm

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:again with 100 versions of bumble bee

Not sure what you mean? Hasbro has their 2 actual tf's (warrior and legend), now TT need their own versions for their audience - so they don't have to import them (but, being so unpainted, why would they); that they are willing to got the extra mile and give us a heavily re-molded show accurate version, is just TT being nice

And we appreciate the extra effort that have put in. They have given us great looking figures and even gone ahead and remolded some and even made entirely new sculpts. They really have spoiled us

Speaking of spoiling their audience - hasbro did the exact opposite with the inverted color bumblebee repaint, yellow wheels, honestly, talk about lazy, not only is it indefensible, but it also cannot be rivaled in sheer laziness/corporate greed.

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:09 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:again with 100 versions of bumble bee

Not sure what you mean? Hasbro has their 2 actual tf's (warrior and legend), now TT need their own versions for their audience - so they don't have to import them (but, being so unpainted, why would they); that they are willing to got the extra mile and give us a heavily re-molded show accurate version, is just TT being nice

He's referring to all the redecos plus retools we've had so far:

1) Bumblebee
2) Night Ops Bumblebee
3) Clash of the Transformers Bumblebee
4) Night Strike Bumblebee
5) TAV29 Bumblebee Supreme Mode

This is heading towards DotM Bumblebee all over again.

Oh, sorry, I don't qualify the dumb-brick series as actual transformers; so for me, it's just the stupid inverted plastic bumblebee that I'm against >:oP

But you can't throw the 'bee figs from a seperate company into that list, that isn't fair, TT is making it for their audience, we just import them, b/c they're better than hasbro's offering.

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:11 pm

Hellscream9999 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:again with 100 versions of bumble bee

Not sure what you mean? Hasbro has their 2 actual tf's (warrior and legend), now TT need their own versions for their audience - so they don't have to import them (but, being so unpainted, why would they); that they are willing to got the extra mile and give us a heavily re-molded show accurate version, is just TT being nice

And we appreciate the extra effort that have put in. They have given us great looking figures and even gone ahead and remolded some and even made entirely new sculpts. They really have spoiled us

Speaking of spoiling their audience - hasbro did the exact opposite with the inverted color bumblebee repaint, yellow wheels, honestly, talk about lazy, not only is it indefensible, but it also cannot be rivaled in sheer laziness/corporate greed.

The black looks very nice, it's just the wheels. Those yellow wheels are just so funky. And then we get an animated homage Bee to go with regular and stealth bee and clash bee. Really a lot. If Bee used a stealth scheme (like IDW comics stealth paint) I would feel better about it

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:14 pm

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:again with 100 versions of bumble bee

Not sure what you mean? Hasbro has their 2 actual tf's (warrior and legend), now TT need their own versions for their audience - so they don't have to import them (but, being so unpainted, why would they); that they are willing to got the extra mile and give us a heavily re-molded show accurate version, is just TT being nice

And we appreciate the extra effort that have put in. They have given us great looking figures and even gone ahead and remolded some and even made entirely new sculpts. They really have spoiled us

Speaking of spoiling their audience - hasbro did the exact opposite with the inverted color bumblebee repaint, yellow wheels, honestly, talk about lazy, not only is it indefensible, but it also cannot be rivaled in sheer laziness/corporate greed.

The black looks very nice, it's just the wheels. Those yellow wheels are just so funky. And then we get an animated homage Bee to go with regular and stealth bee and clash bee. Really a lot. If Bee used a stealth scheme (like IDW comics stealth paint) I would feel better about it

What was the animated homage?

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:16 pm

Hellscream9999 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:again with 100 versions of bumble bee

Not sure what you mean? Hasbro has their 2 actual tf's (warrior and legend), now TT need their own versions for their audience - so they don't have to import them (but, being so unpainted, why would they); that they are willing to got the extra mile and give us a heavily re-molded show accurate version, is just TT being nice

And we appreciate the extra effort that have put in. They have given us great looking figures and even gone ahead and remolded some and even made entirely new sculpts. They really have spoiled us

Speaking of spoiling their audience - hasbro did the exact opposite with the inverted color bumblebee repaint, yellow wheels, honestly, talk about lazy, not only is it indefensible, but it also cannot be rivaled in sheer laziness/corporate greed.

The black looks very nice, it's just the wheels. Those yellow wheels are just so funky. And then we get an animated homage Bee to go with regular and stealth bee and clash bee. Really a lot. If Bee used a stealth scheme (like IDW comics stealth paint) I would feel better about it

What was the animated homage?

That new Bee coming out next year, night strike I believe. The paint work and stripe are an homage to animated bee

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:18 pm

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:What was the animated homage?

That new Bee coming out next year, night strike I believe. The paint work and stripe are an homage to animated bee

Huh, if you say so, I can't find a pic on google, too many versions of 'bee. Either way, I don't care for it, nor will I pay attention to it when it is released >:oP

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:22 pm

Hellscream9999 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:again with 100 versions of bumble bee

Not sure what you mean? Hasbro has their 2 actual tf's (warrior and legend), now TT need their own versions for their audience - so they don't have to import them (but, being so unpainted, why would they); that they are willing to got the extra mile and give us a heavily re-molded show accurate version, is just TT being nice

He's referring to all the redecos plus retools we've had so far:

1) Bumblebee
2) Night Ops Bumblebee
3) Clash of the Transformers Bumblebee
4) Night Strike Bumblebee
5) TAV29 Bumblebee Supreme Mode

This is heading towards DotM Bumblebee all over again.

Oh, sorry, I don't qualify the dumb-brick series as actual transformers; so for me, it's just the stupid inverted plastic bumblebee that I'm against

Both Jelze and Markus were referring to all the releases of the Warrior mold.