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I honestly did not want this to turn into another "Is Christianity right?" thread. I just wanted an honest answer to how somebody can be said to "sacrifice themselves" if they are able to return from the dead. There is a marked difference between "insulting your religion" and asking questions about it.

As to my calling Christianity "fiction," this is NO different from what Christians (by definition) think of every other religion. If you believe The Bible is the truth, then the Koran, the book of Mormon, etc are all fiction. The same is true of the reverse.

Back on topic, the historical Jesus, was born in March, so this thread is a bit pre-mature.

Oh, and to explain the "false messiah" thing. Read Matthew 1:23 in the New Testament.

Professor Smooth wrote:I honestly did not want this to turn into another "Is Christianity right?" thread. I just wanted an honest answer to how somebody can be said to "sacrifice themselves" if they are able to return from the dead. There is a marked difference between "insulting your religion" and asking questions about it.

The word you're looking for is "Martyr," meaning he died for his beliefs, and, because of that, made even more people believe in him.

And how many people do you see rise from the grave? I'm sure that if I saw someone do that, I'd be worshiping him, too.

Professor Smooth wrote:Oh, and to explain the "false messiah" thing. Read Matthew 1:23 in the New Testament.

Matthew, 1:23 wrote:"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"

So...because they chose a different name for him, he instantly isn't the Messiah?

forgive us our trolling
as we forgive those who troll against us,
and lead us not into faggotry...

Snipe away boys, nothings going to kill this thread, or Christmas!

Shadowman wrote:And how many people do you see rise from the grave? I'm sure that if I saw someone do that, I'd be worshiping him, too.

Screw that, i'd head for the hills as fast as I can.

Professor Smooth wrote:Back on topic, the historical Jesus, was born in March, so this thread is a bit pre-mature.

I actually heard that no one knew for certain when he was born, though December seemed very unlikely since he was born in a manger and that people were traveling to register for taxes; Palestine is freezing in December. It wasn't until 440 that they decided that December 25th was his birthday, not based on any reason except that a pagan feast was already celebrated on that day. Jesus' most likely birthdate fell in September/October. This, though, I read from only one source on the Net, which may be wrong. I'd be interested to read what you read, Smooth. Do you have a URL or a book name?

Shadowman wrote:
And how many people do you see rise from the grave? I'm sure that if I saw someone do that, I'd be worshiping him, too.

Can I hold you that? If you read the gospels of the new Testament, one them (looking for it) describes not only Jesus returning from the grave but hundreds of others doing so at the same time.

Professor Smooth wrote:

Shadowman wrote:
And how many people do you see rise from the grave? I'm sure that if I saw someone do that, I'd be worshiping him, too.

Can I hold you that? If you read the gospels of the new Testament, one them (looking for it) describes not only Jesus returning from the grave but hundreds of others doing so at the same time.

Care to provide a passage?

Burn wrote:

Shadowman wrote:And how many people do you see rise from the grave? I'm sure that if I saw someone do that, I'd be worshiping him, too.

Screw that, i'd head for the hills as fast as I can.

I don't think the Bible has the same rules as Marvel Zombies.

Shadowman wrote:PHFT! Thor could beat Jesus any day of the week.

He's a real man's kind of God, one that doesn't take any guff from the other deities. Then goes home, has sex with his hot wife, gets drunk off his ass, then goes to punch people he doesn't like in the face.

While Jesus is my bud I have to admit that statement near converted me! Hehe. Interestingly, my bro won't read Thor comics because he beleives they're blasphemous, which is ironic, in a way, given he votes for the most anti-Christian, pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, pro-general sinful shenangians policitical party in NZL.

Regardless, while I acknowledge Jesus is pretty neat and the saviour, and rose from the dead like a zombie, I'm more acustomed to God (who is still Jesus, and the HS), I just think God kicks more arse.

The only boring thing with God is that he is literally omnipotent. There's not much room for dramatic potential with him, you know. He's like Superman++ (and he dresses better, too).

You can't even come up with a plothole to magic his omnipotence away because he is omniscient to boot. And, well, omnipotent.


What I am saying is, if he was a comicbook superhero he would be terribly dull because he is at no risk of failure ever.

Poohy Ol' Negare wrote:

Shadowman wrote:PHFT! Thor could beat Jesus any day of the week.

He's a real man's kind of God, one that doesn't take any guff from the other deities. Then goes home, has sex with his hot wife, gets drunk off his ass, then goes to punch people he doesn't like in the face.

While Jesus is my bud I have to admit that statement near converted me! Hehe. Interestingly, my bro won't read Thor comics because he beleives they're blasphemous, which is ironic, in a way, given he votes for the most anti-Christian, pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, pro-general sinful shenangians policitical party in NZL.

Regardless, while I acknowledge Jesus is pretty neat and the saviour, and rose from the dead like a zombie, I'm more acustomed to God (who is still Jesus, and the HS), I just think God kicks more arse.

Jesus is a Healer (Anyone remember Lazarus?), a class which is beneficial, if not completely necessary to any group of heroes.

And, while Thor may have his Mead, Jesus has wine. Frikken wine! How classy is that?

But you have to think, if Jesus goes to a restaurant, do you think they have to card him when he orders a glass of water?

Kjell wrote:The only boring thing with God is that he is literally omnipotent. There's not much room for dramatic potential with him, you know. He's like Superman++ (and he dresses better, too).

You can't even come up with a plothole to magic his omnipotence away because he is omniscient to boot. And, well, omnipotent.


What I am saying is, if he was a comicbook superhero he would be terribly dull because he is at no risk of failure ever.

I have flaws, and well Cybertron has many floors. Or sub-levels...

I think I, that is, Primus...

*giggle*

Provides great narrative. I mean this site is a self contained hologram detailing his children's (ad)ventures as a testament to good copy.

Professor Smooth wrote:Can I hold you that? If you read the gospels of the new Testament, one them (looking for it) describes not only Jesus returning from the grave but hundreds of others doing so at the same time.

It's that Damn R1 button again!

Professor Smooth wrote:

Shadowman wrote:
And how many people do you see rise from the grave? I'm sure that if I saw someone do that, I'd be worshiping him, too.

Can I hold you that? If you read the gospels of the new Testament, one them (looking for it) describes not only Jesus returning from the grave but hundreds of others doing so at the same time.

Oddly enough, the same reanimation thing was said to have happened with the death of Julius Caesar as well, though he directly ascended into heaven as a shooting star...

Gotta love zombie powers.

EDIT: And on the subject of gifs:


Man, I seriously wish we had that search button working. That SH post was genius.

I'm all about the Norse Gods. Those guys were the 1960's Marvel of deities. Real Gods with Real Problems. These are Gods who truly reflect that Humanity was created in their image. What other Gods are celebrated today in every english speaking country by as many people? Even the hardcore atheists who have completely eliminated the words God, Christ, Hell, Damn, and even "bless you" from their speach still use the Norse Gods in their everyday speach. Thursday, for example, is Thor's Day. Wednesday is Woden's Day.

Being that it's Thor's Day, how about we all get drunk and smack things with hammers? Tis' the season!

To those that are comparing Jesus to us sinners. Jesus never sinned. Jesus is god incarnate. His divine nature, his miracles, his sacrifice by dying on the cross in our place ,and his resurrection three days after on easter sunday, etc. are all proof written in the New Testament part of the Holy Bible. Proving that the prophecy of the coming of the messiah of the Old Testament was fufilled 2000 years ago. The Holy Bible is the word of Jesus Christ. There's only one book that is the word of God that being the bible. Jesus took the cross for our very own sins. Only Jesus, who is God in reality, can pay the debt for our sins. But we all got to believe willingly in Jesus as our savior and god. We also got be good to one another. In order to be pardon by Jesus. Avoiding the second death which is the lake of fire and brimstone called hell. The place of eternal torment where the wicked and unrepentant go. No one wants to end up there in the end. So we all must behave better from now on by repenting to Jesus.













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SpacerAM2 wrote:To those that are comparing Jesus to us sinners. Jesus never sinned. Jesus is god incarnate. His divine nature, his miracles, his sacrifice by dying on the cross in our place ,and his resurrection three days after on easter sunday, etc. are all proof written in the New Testament part of the Holy Bible. Proving that the prophecy of the coming of the messiah of the Old Testament was fufilled 2000 years ago. The Holy Bible is the word of Jesus Christ. There's only one book that is the word of God that being the bible. Jesus took the cross for our very own sins. Only Jesus, who is God in reality, can pay the debt for our sins. But we all got to believe willingly in Jesus as our savior and god. We also got be good to one another. In order to be pardon by Jesus. Avoiding the second death which is the lake of fire and brimstone called hell. The place of eternal torment where the wicked and unrepentant go. No one wants to end up there in the end. So we all must behave better from now on by repenting to Jesus.

I think the point being made by PS is that the gods of the Nose mythos are a bit more identifiable than the one of Christian mythos is, and thus are quite more attractive.

Note I really don't want to rehash any of the stuff said above-- rehashed it a thousand times in other (now defunct) forums, and this up to now has been a fairly non-serious thread, so I'll leave off with a humorous quote from George Carlin:

Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
...But He loves you.

If Christmas falls on a Thursday (Thor's Day), is it blasphemy? You're acknowledging another God along with Christ. Then again, the same can be said of all the other days of the week too...

I say we settle this with a good old fashioned mead drinking contest. Any takers? Winner is correct about eternity!

Ahh, the old Gods, the true Gods. Why, even now, as I type, my hammer of Thor pendant is around my neck. My talisman protects me from the Evil Eye and, above all, I have Loki on my side...

...next to whom Zombie Army Raising Super Jesus (Civil War Era) looks positively lame.

KILLTRONBOT 9000 wrote:Ahh, the old Gods, the true Gods. Why, even now, as I type, my hammer of Thor pendant is around my neck. My talisman protects me from the Evil Eye and, above all, I have Loki on my side...

...next to whom Zombie Army Raising Super Jesus (Civil War Era) looks positively lame.

And yet, Jesus has followers ranging in the billions. Though that could easily be attributed to the thousands of years of killing in his name. (Which, and most people don't realize this, would never be condoned by J.C.)

I gotta say, I love the Norse gods. They have been the only other Gods to show me they exist. During an Ostara ritual I was attending, I got the part to call Odin. So, upon saying "Hail Odin," a guy standing off to the side of the ritual blacked out and collapsed.

It was freakin' awesome.

Senor Hugo wrote:I gotta say, I love the Norse gods. They have been the only other Gods to show me they exist. During an Ostara ritual I was attending, I got the part to call Odin. So, upon saying "Hail Odin," a guy standing off to the side of the ritual blacked out and collapsed.

It was freakin' awesome.

By chance had he been drinking?

And Ostara...

Easter...a?

DesalationReborn wrote:

Senor Hugo wrote:I gotta say, I love the Norse gods. They have been the only other Gods to show me they exist. During an Ostara ritual I was attending, I got the part to call Odin. So, upon saying "Hail Odin," a guy standing off to the side of the ritual blacked out and collapsed.

It was freakin' awesome.

By chance had he been drinking?

And Ostara...

Easter...a?

Nope, the drinking ame after the ritual.

And Ostara is the pagan holiday to celebrate spring which has been adopted by Christianity and other faiths and called Easter.

Ostara, I believe, came up with the bunny decorations and the colored eggs and such.

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Senor Hugo wrote:

DesalationReborn wrote:

Senor Hugo wrote:I gotta say, I love the Norse gods. They have been the only other Gods to show me they exist. During an Ostara ritual I was attending, I got the part to call Odin. So, upon saying "Hail Odin," a guy standing off to the side of the ritual blacked out and collapsed.

It was freakin' awesome.

By chance had he been drinking?

And Ostara...

Easter...a?

Nope, the drinking ame after the ritual.

And Ostara is the pagan holiday to celebrate spring which has been adopted by Christianity and other faiths and called Easter.

Ostara, I believe, came up with the bunny decorations and the colored eggs and such.

That'd still be a little lacking evidence for me, but still-- if only today's Easter'd kept the drinking and not made it such a bland deal. I mean, of all pop, secularized holidays today, Easter has to be the most boring. Eggs? Gift baskets at $20 tops? Giant rabbits? Give me something a little more scandelous, fun. I mean, all my relatives drink and party on Yul, and usually spend upwards of $30 a person.

Well as Bill Hicks said, we could always hide:

Lincoln logs in your sock draw