The Energon Pub

by **Grahf_** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:39 am

So it comes with two Dragstrip and two Dead End/Wildrider hand/foot/guns. That sucks but luckily I'm happy with my Hasbro version. They could've at least put in two Dragstrip and two Breakdown hand/foot/guns. That way Dragstrip and Breakdown would get the ones that are specifically designed for them and Dead End and Wildrider would each have a different one from each other and they'd both look different than Dragstrip and Breakdown because they'd be upside down from them.

News Credits: 402 · by **Mkall** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:58 am

I dislike it when an insignia is split in half like this. It's almost never aligned right when pieced together.

News Credits: 331 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:32 am

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Wouldn't be surprising if takara did make a oldschool blast-off, though I'm not bothered about it as space shuttles (while awesome) don't belong with a group of combat vehicles.

Aren't they all but retired anyway?

Well in the original cartoon Starscream used old broken down WWII vehicles which, once infused with the sparks of the Combaticons, changed shape into the vehicles we know.

News Credits: 4843 · by **william-james88** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:07 pm

Alpha Weltall wrote:So it comes with two Dragstrip and two Dead End/Wildrider hand/foot/guns. That sucks but luckily I'm happy with my Hasbro version. They could've at least put in two Dragstrip and two Breakdown hand/foot/guns. That way Dragstrip and Breakdown would get the ones that are specifically designed for them and Dead End and Wildrider would each have a different one from each other and they'd both look different than Dragstrip and Breakdown because they'd be upside down from them.

They did that with Superion too. There are onl 2 different hand/feet molds but I think it is to convey a sense of uniformity.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:23 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Alpha Weltall wrote:So it comes with two Dragstrip and two Dead End/Wildrider hand/foot/guns. That sucks but luckily I'm happy with my Hasbro version. They could've at least put in two Dragstrip and two Breakdown hand/foot/guns. That way Dragstrip and Breakdown would get the ones that are specifically designed for them and Dead End and Wildrider would each have a different one from each other and they'd both look different than Dragstrip and Breakdown because they'd be upside down from them.

They did that with Superion too. There are onl 2 different hand/feet molds but I think it is to convey a sense of uniformity.

Sling and Firefly share molds, therefore the same combiner piece, as do Skydive and Air Raid. Look at the Hasbro version of the "correct" Superion:

That makes Menasor even more puzzling.

News Credits: 293 · by **shajaki** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:44 pm

So how do y'all think he fits in?

News Credits: 41 · by **Cobotron** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:49 pm

I'll buy it! Works for me.

News Credits: 4843 · by **william-james88** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:30 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
That makes Menasor even more puzzling.

Sure does.

Oh I have a question for you G1ers. Why are the legs flipped so that you lose a knee bend in the G1 toy as well as have the robot kibble exposed as oppose to the Jet .... forget it, I just saw this pic:

I guess it was for cartoon accuracy. But the toys came first right? So why didnt they just flip the legs for them to be more along the lines of the current Combiner Wars orientation from the get go? That would have of course lead to the cartoon having the legs flipped (since the cartoon was imitating the toy). Any reason? Because I actually find having the combiner wars orientation to be more stable for the G1 toys.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:42 pm

The leg bots had the bottom facing front most likely for esthetic reasons. All kibble had to be moved out of plain view i.e. moved to the back whenever possible. Funnily enough Menasor had an animation model that shows the legs facing the opposite direction (and upside down):

News Credits: 4843 · by **william-james88** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:29 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:The leg bots had the bottom facing front most likely for esthetic reasons. All kibble had to be moved out of plain view i.e. moved to the back whenever possible. Funnily enough Menasor had an animation model that shows the legs facing the opposite direction (and upside down):

Interesting. I personally find the robot kibble more distracting than the alt mode kibble (well for the generations toys, not the G1s since the robot arms are not obvious at all). Also, this means that the third party combiners are greatly inaccurate in terms of G1 accuracy.

News Credits: 372 · by **Cyberpath** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:47 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:The leg bots had the bottom facing front most likely for esthetic reasons. All kibble had to be moved out of plain view i.e. moved to the back whenever possible. Funnily enough Menasor had an animation model that shows the legs facing the opposite direction (and upside down):

And used in the Aerialbots/Stunticons commercial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asVTEMw9IUU

btw, the back of the legs was still upside-down in the final model.

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News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:10 pm

Cyberpath wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:The leg bots had the bottom facing front most likely for esthetic reasons. All kibble had to be moved out of plain view i.e. moved to the back whenever possible. Funnily enough Menasor had an animation model that shows the legs facing the opposite direction (and upside down):

And used in the Aerialbots/Stunticons commercial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asVTEMw9IUU

btw, the back of the legs was still upside-down in the final model.

menasor.jpg

That was in the Japanese Generations iirc. The proto animation model sheets until they settled for the ones in the show.

Don't even get me started on Bruticu whose animation model doesn't look at all like the toy. 8-}

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:39 pm

Those sheets do prove that the position of the legs wasn't set in stone during development, Defensor aside. Here's something funny:

Superion: bottom front
Menasor: bottom front
Defensor: bottom back
Bruticus: front (Swindle, Vortex & Blast Off) and back (Brawl)

Computron: bottom back
Abominus: bottom front
Piranacon: bottom front

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:35 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Those sheets do prove that the position of the legs wasn't set in stone during development, Defensor aside. Here's something funny:

Superion: bottom front
Menasor: bottom front
Defensor: bottom back
Bruticus: front (Swindle, Vortex & Blast Off) and back (Brawl)

Computron: bottom back
Abominus: bottom front
Piranacon: bottom front

And just for funsies:

Baldigus/Ruination: bottom front

Click for full size

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:55 pm

Put short, every G1 Scramble City combiner has the legs facing bottom front, except for Defensor and Computron. Maybe the Torso's foot design has something to do with that?

News Credits: 4843 · by **william-james88** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:13 pm

New Images of Menasor:

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/images-from-2015-acg-hong-kong-mp18b-mp25-mp26-uw02-platinum-dinobots/33556/

News Credits: 372 · by **Cyberpath** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:05 am

And another image of UW03-Groove from Yuki:

News Credits: 6 · by **MemphisR56** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:11 am

I really want a 3rd party add on that enables you to connect Breakdown and Wild Rider upside down so you can use that bonnet(hood) kibble as little feeties.

I always wanted to see that happen. It'd look awesome.

News Credits: 372 · by **Cyberpath** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:15 am

And from Shogo Hasui, the computer model of UW04-Devastator:

7/26のワンフェス・TTブースのオキュラスに登場するデバスターはトイの3Dデータがベースとなっており、映像上での正確な変形合体を可能にしています。※オキュラスの整理券は先着順で配布し、予定枚数に達し次第配布終了となります#TT_TF

Yikes!

News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:55 am

Thanks to a notification from fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath, we have a new groovy image by TFYuki of Legends Groove, UW Groove and TAV Groove Override, from Takara Tomy. You can really see the size and deco differences in the mold and character variations - check it out mirrored below!

UPDATED with new image of UW-03 Groove in motorbike mode.

News Credits: 8 · by **NuclearConvoy** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:43 am

I'm really digging that Red and blue deco.

News Credits: 4843 · by **william-james88** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:10 am

what's going on with Deluxe's Groove's blue halo?

News Credits: 3 · by **Optimizzy** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:14 am

NuclearConvoy wrote:I'm really digging that Red and blue deco.

yeah, I'm really liking that too. The legends groove mold is pretty cool really...but not as Groove.

And as an aside, what's with the shaking hands pose?? I mean I get it, but...I see that too much. Do something different. Maybe they DONT get along?