The Energon Pub

[no-one]

The problem with leader sized figures is that now with the mission statement of scale, it limits the characters that can be done, especially when thinking long term. It's far better now to think of parts count as the major factor between size classes, as well as quality of the pieces involved. Take the rumoured Doubledealer of Earthrise, he'll likely be voyager sized (or more so) then leader sized but the increased parts count will lend itself to capturing both of his alt modes.

Yeah, this is something peopple have to get over, cuz the same people who were salty over shockwaves price are the same people who are salty over astrotrains price, ironically such a long hunted figure might end up as the new shockwave

I get the argument, but the size of the Siege leaders vs price was never an issue for me. I felt that most of the previous line's leaders were comically oversized. Of course I always want to pay less and all of Shockwave's extra parts are the drawer of misfit accessories, but I don't feel ripped off or cheated for him or Ultra Magnus. I also feel their heights are spot on and their quality/design match the price points. I'm willing to pay more for quality and/or a figure that matches what I want. I feel the same way about ER Cliffjumper.

With that said and mostly because Astrotrain isn't a priority (TR is good enough), I'll be waiting on a decent price drop.

I still feel throwing the armor pieces in the “junk box” is really selling the playability short. At the very least with Astrotrain you get more city/base pieces.

I felt that shockwaves bits condensing into a hover drone was pretty brilliant if you didn’t want to “armor him up”.

I had my fun with Shockwave's bits and pieces, but he doesn't display the way I like with them on. The parts are handy if I ever want to play with them, but like most of my figures, Shocky is collecting dust after the initial thrill faded away. Now he's just a solid Neo G1 display piece that I pull down form time to time.

If I get Astrotrain, he'll "suffer" the same fate. He'll end up in bot mode for 99% of his life with all his extra parts and accessories stripped and stored in the same drawer. Very few of my figures keep more than their primary weapon/accessory for display, so to me accessories are just something to store away for later. But hey, that's just a me thing.

[ZeroWolf]

The problem with leader sized figures is that now with the mission statement of scale, it limits the characters that can be done, especially when thinking long term. It's far better now to think of parts count as the major factor between size classes, as well as quality of the pieces involved. Take the rumoured Doubledealer of Earthrise, he'll likely be voyager sized (or more so) then leader sized but the increased parts count will lend itself to capturing both of his alt modes.

Yeah, this is something peopple have to get over, cuz the same people who were salty over shockwaves price are the same people who are salty over astrotrains price, ironically such a long hunted figure might end up as the new shockwave

I get the argument, but the size of the Siege leaders vs price was never an issue for me. I felt that most of the previous line's leaders were comically oversized. Of course I always want to pay less and all of Shockwave's extra parts are the drawer of misfit accessories, but I don't feel ripped off or cheated for him or Ultra Magnus. I also feel their heights are spot on and their quality/design match the price points. I'm willing to pay more for quality and/or a figure that matches what I want. I feel the same way about ER Cliffjumper.

With that said and mostly because Astrotrain isn't a priority (TR is good enough), I'll be waiting on a decent price drop.

I still feel throwing the armor pieces in the “junk box” is really selling the playability short. At the very least with Astrotrain you get more city/base pieces.

I felt that shockwaves bits condensing into a hover drone was pretty brilliant if you didn’t want to “armor him up”.

I had my fun with Shockwave's bits and pieces, but he doesn't display the way I like with them on. The parts are handy if I ever want to play with them, but like most of my figures, Shocky is collecting dust after the initial thrill faded away. Now he's just a solid Neo G1 display piece that I pull down form time to time.

If I get Astrotrain, he'll "suffer" the same fate. He'll end up in bot mode for 99% of his life with all his extra parts and accessories stripped and stored in the same drawer. Very few of my figures keep more than their primary weapon/accessory for display, so to me accessories are just something to store away for later. But hey, that's just a me thing.

Oh of course I get it completely. We all have our quirks with collecting and displaying, as long as we all love transforming giant robots, we're good

[aronjlove]

I'm kinda glad I skipped TR Astro and picked up Seige, I've had this setup for about a month now, keep moving around the Micromasters and occasionally add a Seeker for additional air support.

[AcademyofDrX]

Love it! I had my Spinister copter on my Act 5 until I needed it for floating seekers in a group shot.

There are a lot of Siege alt modes that look great in combat displays.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Carytheone, I kinda agree with you about the "Comically oversized leaders". It's the problem with doing that size class in neo-G1: there weren't a lot of tower-over-everyone characters who weren't combiners, especially during the first four years. And I too don't feel cheated by SIEGE Magnus' size. He fits the cartoon height in armored mode, and he has a roughly Voyager-size cab, so his core component is the right size and could easily be attached to a bigger trailer.

I really really want SIEGE/Earthrise Astrotrain. The steam engine mode returning is a big draw for me. And the fuel tender that turns into a shuttle launchpad feels like an accessory his original toy was always meant to have.

[blackeyedprime]

I kinda hated the size of TR soundwave and blaster at first but think it fits the headmasters cartoons cheese factor though they could have taken advantage of the size to make his his tape bots better. The cw leader seekers seemed way out of place.

Siege magnus needed to be the size of cw magnus for my liking (and actually needed to be a bit bigger in robot anyhoos as deluxe shouldn't be head level with the bottom of his chest windows) I know I'm likely to be disappointed with any upcoming galvatrons size to go with six shot or cw magnus but if they want to do a titan sized ultra magnus I'd be in for that

[Hellscream9999]

The problem with leader sized figures is that now with the mission statement of scale, it limits the characters that can be done, especially when thinking long term. It's far better now to think of parts count as the major factor between size classes, as well as quality of the pieces involved. Take the rumoured Doubledealer of Earthrise, he'll likely be voyager sized (or more so) then leader sized but the increased parts count will lend itself to capturing both of his alt modes.

Yeah, this is something peopple have to get over, cuz the same people who were salty over shockwaves price are the same people who are salty over astrotrains price, ironically such a long hunted figure might end up as the new shockwave

I get the argument, but the size of the Siege leaders vs price was never an issue for me. I felt that most of the previous line's leaders were comically oversized. Of course I always want to pay less and all of Shockwave's extra parts are the drawer of misfit accessories, but I don't feel ripped off or cheated for him or Ultra Magnus. I also feel their heights are spot on and their quality/design match the price points. I'm willing to pay more for quality and/or a figure that matches what I want. I feel the same way about ER Cliffjumper.

With that said and mostly because Astrotrain isn't a priority (TR is good enough), I'll be waiting on a decent price drop.

I still feel throwing the armor pieces in the “junk box” is really selling the playability short. At the very least with Astrotrain you get more city/base pieces.

I felt that shockwaves bits condensing into a hover drone was pretty brilliant if you didn’t want to “armor him up”.

Its not just for him, thanks to the comabt system, anyone can be mounted on a hovering artillery battery, sounds powerful to me

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

I kinda hated the size of TR soundwave and blaster at first but think it fits the headmasters cartoons cheese factor though they could have taken advantage of the size to make his his tape bots better. The cw leader seekers seemed way out of place.

Siege magnus needed to be the size of cw magnus for my liking (and actually needed to be a bit bigger in robot anyhoos as deluxe shouldn't be head level with the bottom of his chest windows) I know I'm likely to be disappointed with any upcoming galvatrons size to go with six shot or cw magnus but if they want to do a titan sized ultra magnus I'd be in for that

Titan is too much, but Commander would work great. That would make him as big next to Deluxes as the original toy is to Diaclone-derived Autobot cars. I hope to see a Commander-class Magnus in either Earthrise or the third part of the trilogy.

I don't feel cheated by SIEGE Magnus' size because it's the best that could be done with the Leader class's plastic limits these days, and at least unlike CW Magnus he has an actual independent cab robot that's the right size. And which would easily be given a bigger trailer.
Also, SIEGE Magnus can still carry 2 Deluxes as-is, so he doesn't lose out compared to CW Mags on that score.

[blackeyedprime]

Commander class could be cool for him, I kind of hope he gets his diaclone roller buddy at some point. Always seems a shame when figures miss out on something that diaclone had.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Commander class could be cool for him, I kind of hope he gets his diaclone roller buddy at some point. Always seems a shame when figures miss out on something that diaclone had.

Now introducing: Weaponizer/Modulator Powerdrive!

[ZeroWolf]

A weaponizer roller for Prime or Ultra Magnus (they could do a Delta Magnus Selects release with a redecoed Roller for extra sale potential) would be very welcome.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

I don't know about Roller, because he'd be even harder to give a robot mode to than Brunt (and the partsforming into weapons/armor/playset bits) while keeping him recognizable as the little 6-wheeled buggy drone. But Powerdrive would work just fine. Already has a robot mode, and a partsforming transformation too.

Roller I think would be a good accessory for a potential Commander-class Special Edition of ER Optimus. They could make him seat Titan Masters the way the original could seat Diaclone pilots.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

A weaponizer roller for Prime or Ultra Magnus (they could do a Delta Magnus Selects release with a redecoed Roller for extra sale potential) would be very welcome.

Agreed with this, with an IDW Roller robot mode. that would be sweet

[Skritz]

Went to local TRU. Found around 12+ Starscreams. Goddamn it.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

OK all, Jetfire is on amazon for $55, is he worth getting?

[TF-fan kev777]

OK all, Jetfire is on amazon for $55, is he worth getting?

Yes. I felt satisfied at full price, that is a deal.

[blackeyedprime]

OK all, Jetfire is on amazon for $55, is he worth getting?

At that price yep, paid about £45. The figure has a few neat tricks and nice weapon effects. The only things I'm not keen on is the elbow joints and the shade of red on him. Worth removing his optional cockpit block to make the blue canopy stand out.


Not sure a deluxe weaponiser sized roller would work for prime as it might not fit in his trailer unless they made vehicle mode thinner, something like one of the transporter things in the spacer bond films.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

OK all, Jetfire is on amazon for $55, is he worth getting?

I'd say so. I have him and I find him a joy to play with, and he looks good on display. I have him on my dresser next to TR Fortress Maximus (who he comes up to the kneecap of). And his jet mode is super cool.

You know what would be cool? Taking a model satellite and giving it a 5mm peg so that you can have Skyfire carry and deploy it.

Went to local TRU. Found around 12+ Starscreams. Goddamn it.

Sounds like one of my local Targets. The shelves were overflowing with Starscreams and Megatrons, slightly broken up by a couple Springers and Thundercrackers.

Not sure a deluxe weaponiser sized roller would work for prime as it might not fit in his trailer unless they made vehicle mode thinner, something like one of the transporter things in the spacer bond films.

Yeah, I really think Powerdrive would work better than Roller.

[Hellscream9999]

OK all, Jetfire is on amazon for $55, is he worth getting?

Yes. Without hesitation. Do it

[no-one]

OK all, Jetfire is on amazon for $55, is he worth getting?

Absolutely! Why haven't you yet?!?

[D-Maximal_Primal]

OK all, Jetfire is on amazon for $55, is he worth getting?

Absolutely! Why haven't you yet?!?

I just did

I didn't get him previously because I really like my T30 Jetfire, and really don't need another Jetfire cause I love that one so much. But I think that after seeing so much good about him and seeing him on sale right now, he's worth it

[no-one]

OK all, Jetfire is on amazon for $55, is he worth getting?

Absolutely! Why haven't you yet?!?

I just did

I didn't get him previously because I really like my T30 Jetfire, and really don't need another Jetfire cause I love that one so much. But I think that after seeing so much good about him and seeing him on sale right now, he's worth it

It's a cool figure, I was impressed when I first got him. Lots of fun play options.

I do feel like he's too big (an awesome kind of big) for a generations display, so mine is keeping the MP scaled bots company.

[blackeyedprime]

Mine was with the other ecto busters but he's joined mps as his size wouldn't be as stand out next to the combiners which are the only other space he would be able to go.

[ThunderThruster]

OK all, Jetfire is on amazon for $55, is he worth getting?

At that price yep, paid about £45. The figure has a few neat tricks and nice weapon effects. The only things I'm not keen on is the elbow joints and the shade of red on him. Worth removing his optional cockpit block to make the blue canopy stand out.


Not sure a deluxe weaponiser sized roller would work for prime as it might not fit in his trailer unless they made vehicle mode thinner, something like one of the transporter things in the spacer bond films.

If you're looking to have Roller fit inside Prime's trailer then I am inclined to agree that a deluxe (while not impossible) is going to be a tough job.
Personally, if they're going to give a Roller, I'd rather they utilise that gaping hole between the trailers wheels as a storage area. It's an ideal spot to conceal Roller (or maybe just parts of him) and would help fill out that section of the trailer.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Honestly, the only way I can see a Deluxe Roller working is if the buggy was the torso and the arms and legs became a mini-trailer for the buggy.