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News Credits: 79 · by **Sigma Magnus** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:52 am

Anyone notice how the scope, stock, and silencer are gunmetal grey on one page and black on the other?

News Credits: 25 · by **Ironhidensh** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:04 am

Kurona wrote:What's wrong with his upper torso?

Too many gaps and moving pieces. Its nowhere near as clean as I expect for MP level price tag. It looks great if you are looking head on, but any other view (to me) is very cringe worthy. Meh.

Now, if when the final product images come out, and they have cleaned up the look of alt mode a bit, I'll buy this and keep it in gun mode, hung on the wall like I used to do with G1 Megatron, way back in the day.

Like this:

News Credits: 2 · by **SureShot18** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:18 am

william-james88 wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Man, they really failed with his upper torso.

At least it's not as bad as depositron

Will, no offense, but what are you talking about Despotron's torso is clean af.

News Credits: 23 · by **Bumblebee21** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:21 am

Those legs on despy look so fat and ugly

News Credits: 25 · by **Ironhidensh** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:30 am

Mp36 looks skinny and weak.

News Credits: 2 · by **SureShot18** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:30 am

Bumblebee21 wrote:Those legs on despy look so fat and ugly

Fair enough but I like them more than the skinny legs on the official version. Megatron should convey strength and power imo, and you can't do that if you're skipping leg day.

News Credits: 79 · by **Sigma Magnus** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:39 am

Well, if you like Despotron, and you like your Megatrons with a bulkier build, that's fine, but you shouldn't judge the MP because that isn't what it's going for. It's trying to be cartoon accurate (as that is the point of MPs in the first place), thus you simply don't like the G1 cartoon model. And that's fine. Personally, I'd like to get both.

News Credits: 4838 · by **william-james88** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:04 am

SureShot18 wrote:Will, no offense, but what are you talking about Despotron's torso is clean af

I was referring to the proportions and trying to mess with ironhidensh.

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:05 am

SureShot18 wrote:
Bumblebee21 wrote:Those legs on despy look so fat and ugly

Fair enough but I like them more than the skinny legs on the official version. Megatron should convey strength and power imo, and you can't do that if you're skipping leg day.

I'd say you can do it very well. Power in elegance.

News Credits: 25 · by **Ironhidensh** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:09 am

Sigma Magnus wrote:Well, if you like Despotron, and you like your Megatrons with a bulkier build, that's fine, but you shouldn't judge the MP because that isn't what it's going for. It's trying to be cartoon accurate (as that is the point of MPs in the first place), thus you simply don't like the G1 cartoon model. And that's fine. Personally, I'd like to get both.

No, that's the new point of the Masterpiece line, and I don't like it. Before, they were simply supposed to be the best all around version of the character, but that has now been dropped. Some are okay with the change in direction, and that us fine, but I'm not.

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:12 am

I'm very confused. I thought the only time Masterpiece wasn't an attempt to be completely accurate to the cartoon - at least, in terms of original uses of the mold - was MP-03, with Starscream being an attempt to replicate the look of the fighter jet he turned into rather than the cartoon model. Every other MP mold I've seen has been an attempt to be cartoon accurate.

News Credits: 2 · by **SureShot18** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:17 am

Sigma Magnus wrote:Well, if you like Despotron, and you like your Megatrons with a bulkier build, that's fine, but you shouldn't judge the MP because that isn't what it's going for. It's trying to be cartoon accurate (as that is the point of MPs in the first place), thus you simply don't like the G1 cartoon model. And that's fine. Personally, I'd like to get both.

I realize that this Megatron is trying to copy to copy the animation model and it's doing a great job at it. I just don't like that that is what it's doing. Of course if one likes it to be exactly Sunbow this is the Megatron for them. So the look is going to be totally subjective.

william-james88 wrote:I was referring to the proportions and trying to mess with ironhidensh.

Ah, ok. Gotcha. I had feeling you were just joking around.

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:20 am

Kurona wrote:I'm very confused. I thought the only time Masterpiece wasn't an attempt to be completely accurate to the cartoon - at least, in terms of original uses of the mold - was MP-03, with Starscream being an attempt to replicate the look of the fighter jet he turned into rather than the cartoon model. Every other MP mold I've seen has been an attempt to be cartoon accurate.

No, that's simply not true, it's been quoted that from mp-10 to around (before) mp-ultra magnus the goal was to create the ultimate version of the figure, hence why mp-10 and those that follow deviate from the 'screen-accurate' look so much.

I believe around the time that um was made, a new design team had taken over and started to go for the smoother cartoon accurate look, and ironhide is when it was really taken to the next level (possibly by another design team), with almost no surface detailing or anything and has carried through to the rest that have followed - save the bw figures since the cartoon accurate look requires lots of textures and such.

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:22 am

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Kurona wrote:I'm very confused. I thought the only time Masterpiece wasn't an attempt to be completely accurate to the cartoon - at least, in terms of original uses of the mold - was MP-03, with Starscream being an attempt to replicate the look of the fighter jet he turned into rather than the cartoon model. Every other MP mold I've seen has been an attempt to be cartoon accurate.

No, that's simply not true, it's been quoted that from mp-10 to around (before) mp-ultra magnus the goal was to create the ultimate version of the figure, hence why mp-10 and those that follow deviate from the 'screen-accurate' look so much.

I believe around the time that um was made, a new design team had taken over and started to go for the smoother cartoon accurate look, and ironhide is when it was really taken to the next level (possibly by another design team), with almost no surface detailing or anything and has carried through to the rest that have followed - save the bw figures since the cartoon accurate look requires lots of textures and such.

I'd be very interested to see those quotes. "Ultimate version of the character" sounds to me like business/interview talk for "We're basically recreating the cartoon models".

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:24 am

Kurona wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Kurona wrote:I'm very confused. I thought the only time Masterpiece wasn't an attempt to be completely accurate to the cartoon - at least, in terms of original uses of the mold - was MP-03, with Starscream being an attempt to replicate the look of the fighter jet he turned into rather than the cartoon model. Every other MP mold I've seen has been an attempt to be cartoon accurate.

No, that's simply not true, it's been quoted that from mp-10 to around (before) mp-ultra magnus the goal was to create the ultimate version of the figure, hence why mp-10 and those that follow deviate from the 'screen-accurate' look so much.

I believe around the time that um was made, a new design team had taken over and started to go for the smoother cartoon accurate look, and ironhide is when it was really taken to the next level (possibly by another design team), with almost no surface detailing or anything and has carried through to the rest that have followed - save the bw figures since the cartoon accurate look requires lots of textures and such.

I'd be very interested to see those quotes. "Ultimate version of the character" sounds to me like business/interview talk for "We're basically recreating the cartoon models".

It was a quote from the original designer of mp-10 and should be somewhere on here, and if that was the case, then why did the 10-20 figures deviate from the smooth faces look? No matter how you look at it, the smooth faces look is a recent shift and was never the original design ethos of the line >:oP

News Credits: 293 · by **shajaki** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:27 am

Ironhidensh wrote:
Kurona wrote:What's wrong with his upper torso?
Too many gaps and moving pieces. Its nowhere near as clean as I expect for MP level price tag. It looks great if you are looking head on, but any other view (to me) is very cringe worthy. Meh.

I hear ya about the amount of pieces, but I actually have a great deal of faith in these new MP's. After handling the new MP Hotrod with his locking tabs, I bet TT is putting a lot of extra care into making this Megatron a solid figure. The transformation looks daunting, but that's the only thing that worries me.

As for how the torso looks, I don't see any issue. I am actually really loving all the clear colored pieces he has for all his stomach doo-dads. Looks beautiful. The top view of the torso is puzzly, but so long as its solid I ain't worried

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:30 am

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Kurona wrote:I'm very confused. I thought the only time Masterpiece wasn't an attempt to be completely accurate to the cartoon - at least, in terms of original uses of the mold - was MP-03, with Starscream being an attempt to replicate the look of the fighter jet he turned into rather than the cartoon model. Every other MP mold I've seen has been an attempt to be cartoon accurate.

No, that's simply not true, it's been quoted that from mp-10 to around (before) mp-ultra magnus the goal was to create the ultimate version of the figure, hence why mp-10 and those that follow deviate from the 'screen-accurate' look so much.

I believe around the time that um was made, a new design team had taken over and started to go for the smoother cartoon accurate look, and ironhide is when it was really taken to the next level (possibly by another design team), with almost no surface detailing or anything and has carried through to the rest that have followed - save the bw figures since the cartoon accurate look requires lots of textures and such.

I'd be very interested to see those quotes. "Ultimate version of the character" sounds to me like business/interview talk for "We're basically recreating the cartoon models".

It was a quote from the original designer of mp-10 and should be somewhere on here, and if that was the case, then why did the 10-20 figures deviate from the smooth faces look? No matter how you look at it, the smooth faces look is a recent shift and was never the original design ethos of the line

I wasn't arguing about the smooth faces look though. I never brought that up. To me that's just some extra detailing that comes about either because of the vehicle mode accuracy or... because it looks good or something.
I just really don't buy the whole 'ultimate version of the character' when I look at any MP and see nothing but an exact representation of the G1 cartoon character model. And arguing that non-smooth surface detailing makes it not that is just extremely silly imo.

News Credits: 9 · by **Sowndwave76** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:38 am

Desporton is a good looking figure with lots to like about it, but I still like the official better.
Megatron as a character, and even with the original design, looks badass.
So I don't see him needing to be bulked-up at all.
I'm assuming the transformation makes the aesthetic elements difficult.
The back of this official figure isn't perfect, but the rest is definitely on point and imo makes up for it.

News Credits: 372 · by **Cyberpath** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:49 am

shajaki wrote:I am actually really loving all the clear colored pieces he has for all his stomach doo-dads. Looks beautiful.

It does. And it reminds me of the clear parts in Prime's pelvis, Shockewave's chest, Wheeljack's wings, etc. So it works in that regard, too.

News Credits: 23 · by **Bumblebee21** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:52 am

Right now I'm with takara,unless the price is $180+. If its that much I'm going to mightron. That is too much for an mp figure of that size

News Credits: 3 · by **bodrock** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:16 pm

And now a MTME version (a la Milne) has entered the fray....looks sweet. Damn it Mastermind Creations.

News Credits: 79 · by **Sigma Magnus** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:20 pm

bodrock wrote:And now a MTME version (a la Milne) has entered the fray....looks sweet. Damn it Mastermind Creations.

Wait, what?

News Credits: 25 · by **Ironhidensh** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:21 pm

Sigma Magnus wrote:
bodrock wrote:And now a MTME version (a la Milne) has entered the fray....looks sweet. Damn it Mastermind Creations.

Wait, what?

There is also a Dreamwave WWI version coming b

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 1:17 pm

Cyberpath wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Cyberpath wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:If you're looking for a purpose for the Legends toy now that this new MP exists, Takara's got you covered with their Legends manga depicting Megatron's new Legends tank body as a new post-G2 form for him.

Problem is that he's Skyfire's size and towers over everyone.
Is it so much a problem when the fiction depicts him as having really become that big in that new body?

Yeah. I can also come up with a backstory, but I don't like Megatron to tower over Prime.

But he doesn't tower over Prime. Optimus got a new post-G2 body too, one based on his MP-10 design:

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 1:24 pm

Ironhidensh wrote:I still like Despy better. I like the thicker legs, as I think it gives Megatron a more badass look.

Personally, Despotron's super wide legs serve only to remind me of this:

Whereas the new MP's legs look far more naturally proportioned to how a normal person's legs would look.

Even in Dreamwave did he keep his streamlined, non-obstructive legs: