The Energon Pub

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:Where did they get those colors for G2 Grimlock and Jaz. The most common g2 Grimlock was Blue. It feels like they're just randomly coloring the figures now.

They were all unreleased decos from that time. That's the theme of this exclusive line. Hence the Sideswipe that's coming will not be the black one we saw back in Siege.

It's a pretty damn nice concept too!

I do wonder. Was Toxitron planned then cancelled for the original Lazer Prime mold?

Yes Toxictron was planned to be done with the original laser prime in the first universe line in the mid 2000s, but was cancelled. There was a good video about his history by either TJomega or Slag podcasts on youtube recently.

LinaNui wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:Where did they get those colors for G2 Grimlock and Jaz. The most common g2 Grimlock was Blue. It feels like they're just randomly coloring the figures now.

They were all unreleased decos from that time. That's the theme of this exclusive line. Hence the Sideswipe that's coming will not be the black one we saw back in Siege.

It's a pretty damn nice concept too!

I do wonder. Was Toxitron planned then cancelled for the original Lazer Prime mold?

Yes Toxictron was planned to be done with the original laser prime in the first universe line in the mid 2000s, but was cancelled. There was a good video about his history by either TJomega or Slag podcasts on youtube recently.

Sabrblade wrote:

LinaNui wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:Where did they get those colors for G2 Grimlock and Jaz. The most common g2 Grimlock was Blue. It feels like they're just randomly coloring the figures now.

They were all unreleased decos from that time. That's the theme of this exclusive line. Hence the Sideswipe that's coming will not be the black one we saw back in Siege.

It's a pretty damn nice concept too!

I do wonder. Was Toxitron planned then cancelled for the original Lazer Prime mold?

Yes Toxictron was planned to be done with the original laser prime in the first universe line in the mid 2000s, but was cancelled. There was a good video about his history by either TJomega or Slag podcasts on youtube recently.

I like the name on the tanker just like with Laser Prime. My biggest complaint about the Legacy molds is that the trailer decos are so plain compared to the originals. I have the TR box set version of Laser Prime where the stickers are already peeling, so I get why they didn't do it, and I'm sure Toyhax will make a set for people who care. For my part, I only got the Scourge use of the mold, where the alt-mode deco is still quite accurate.

I am REALLY excited to see what Toyhax does with Toxitron.

Dr. Caelus wrote:I am REALLY excited to see what Toyhax does with Toxitron.

For starters they need to add his name to the tanker, improve the orange ooze and add the gradient to the bottom.

Incidentally, I wonder if the Grimlock reveal was a mistake? They only showed the box and didn't put it up for pre-order, but the email Pulse sent out yesterday accidentally put him on their graphic instead of Toxitron.



Emerje

Sabrblade wrote:

LinaNui wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:Where did they get those colors for G2 Grimlock and Jaz. The most common g2 Grimlock was Blue. It feels like they're just randomly coloring the figures now.

They were all unreleased decos from that time. That's the theme of this exclusive line. Hence the Sideswipe that's coming will not be the black one we saw back in Siege.

It's a pretty damn nice concept too!

I do wonder. Was Toxitron planned then cancelled for the original Lazer Prime mold?

Yes Toxictron was planned to be done with the original laser prime in the first universe line in the mid 2000s, but was cancelled. There was a good video about his history by either TJomega or Slag podcasts on youtube recently.

NICE!

So Toxitron follow the theme.

-Kanrabat- wrote:NICE!

So Toxitron follow the theme.

All except for him not being from G2 like the rest of the line is. Yet Hasbro decided to name this entire "Toxitron Collection" subline after him.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:NICE!

So Toxitron follow the theme.

All except for him not being from G2 like the rest of the line is. Yet Hasbro decided to name this entire "Toxitron Collection" subline after him.

Well, Universe was pretty much a "anything goes" line so I say it counts.

"G2 Universe" works better than "Universe Universe." I hope in twenty years Generations does a throwback line that references Legacy. Something like Transformers Generations: Multiverse: Legacy: Evolution: SG Universe: G2 Jazz.

(Should that be Transformers Generations: Multiverse: Legacy: Evolution: G2 Universe: SG Jazz? SG Universe (G2 Universe): Jazz? Doesn't each universe have its own corresponding SG Universe?) At any rate, I'm explaining the joke, I actually hope marketing keeps leaning into simplicity even if it doesn't satisfy continuity addicts.

AcademyofDrX wrote:"G2 Universe" works better than "Universe Universe." I hope in twenty years Generations does a throwback line that references Legacy. Something like Transformers Generations: Multiverse: Legacy: Evolution: SG Universe: G2 Jazz.

What's funny is that, with Studio Series Gamer Edition, we are now actually at a point where Hasbro is literally making new-mold Generations updates to original Generations toys.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:NICE!

So Toxitron follow the theme.

All except for him not being from G2 like the rest of the line is. Yet Hasbro decided to name this entire "Toxitron Collection" subline after him.

G2 and Universe were incredibly similar.
- No real media support outside of comics.
- Lots of molds recycled from previous toylines.
- Outrageous color schemes.

They feel relatively distinct to me, because while RID 2000 reused molds from G1 to Beast Machines, it tied most of them together with a cartoon and often applied color schemes tamer/saner than the original toys.

Emerje wrote:

Dr. Caelus wrote:I am REALLY excited to see what Toyhax does with Toxitron.

For starters they need to add his name to the tanker, improve the orange ooze and add the gradient to the bottom.

Incidentally, I wonder if the Grimlock reveal was a mistake? They only showed the box and didn't put it up for pre-order, but the email Pulse sent out yesterday accidentally put him on their graphic instead of Toxitron.

Emerje

Most certainly a goof, and from the looks of it G2 Grimlock is meant for a Wave 2.

Dr. Caelus wrote:I am REALLY excited to see what Toyhax does with Toxitron.

Me too and I'm also looking forward what upgrade kits people will come up with. Tha5 is, appart the repaint of the DNA Design kit or those similar.

Dr. Caelus wrote:because while RID 2000 reused molds from G1 to Beast Machines, it tied most of them together with a cartoon and often applied color schemes tamer/saner than the original toys.

Heh, Beast Wars Second did basically the same thing, reusing molds from G1, G2, Beast Wars, and Machine Wars, having a cartoon and less wild color schemes (save for Dirge, his deco was still neon).

AcademyofDrX wrote:"G2 Universe" works better than "Universe Universe." I hope in twenty years Generations does a throwback line that references Legacy. Something like Transformers Generations: Multiverse: Legacy: Evolution: SG Universe: G2 Jazz.

(Should that be Transformers Generations: Multiverse: Legacy: Evolution: G2 Universe: SG Jazz? SG Universe (G2 Universe): Jazz? Doesn't each universe have its own corresponding SG Universe?) At any rate, I'm explaining the joke, I actually hope marketing keeps leaning into simplicity even if it doesn't satisfy continuity addicts.

In 20 years we'll be complaining about the new version of Scraphook being unfaithful to the original because we can't take it apart despite being a $50 Deluxe.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:"G2 Universe" works better than "Universe Universe." I hope in twenty years Generations does a throwback line that references Legacy. Something like Transformers Generations: Multiverse: Legacy: Evolution: SG Universe: G2 Jazz.

(Should that be Transformers Generations: Multiverse: Legacy: Evolution: G2 Universe: SG Jazz? SG Universe (G2 Universe): Jazz? Doesn't each universe have its own corresponding SG Universe?) At any rate, I'm explaining the joke, I actually hope marketing keeps leaning into simplicity even if it doesn't satisfy continuity addicts.

In 20 years we'll be complaining about the new version of Scraphook being unfaithful to the original because we can't take it apart despite being a $50 Deluxe.

Emerje

You think the price increases will have plateaued by then?

Dr. Caelus wrote:

Emerje wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:"G2 Universe" works better than "Universe Universe." I hope in twenty years Generations does a throwback line that references Legacy. Something like Transformers Generations: Multiverse: Legacy: Evolution: SG Universe: G2 Jazz.

(Should that be Transformers Generations: Multiverse: Legacy: Evolution: G2 Universe: SG Jazz? SG Universe (G2 Universe): Jazz? Doesn't each universe have its own corresponding SG Universe?) At any rate, I'm explaining the joke, I actually hope marketing keeps leaning into simplicity even if it doesn't satisfy continuity addicts.

In 20 years we'll be complaining about the new version of Scraphook being unfaithful to the original because we can't take it apart despite being a $50 Deluxe.

Emerje

You think the price increases will have plateaued by then?

He meant NEW dollars where 1N$ = 10$ of today.

Dr. Caelus wrote:

Emerje wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:"G2 Universe" works better than "Universe Universe." I hope in twenty years Generations does a throwback line that references Legacy. Something like Transformers Generations: Multiverse: Legacy: Evolution: SG Universe: G2 Jazz.

(Should that be Transformers Generations: Multiverse: Legacy: Evolution: G2 Universe: SG Jazz? SG Universe (G2 Universe): Jazz? Doesn't each universe have its own corresponding SG Universe?) At any rate, I'm explaining the joke, I actually hope marketing keeps leaning into simplicity even if it doesn't satisfy continuity addicts.

In 20 years we'll be complaining about the new version of Scraphook being unfaithful to the original because we can't take it apart despite being a $50 Deluxe.

Emerje

You think the price increases will have plateaued by then?

The Deluxe trajectory from 2002 ($9) to 2023 ($26) tells me there will never be a "plateau". We had a bit of one from '96 to '02, but with so many factors involved from logistics to resources I don't think we'll ever see one like it again.

Emerje

So anyone else find it odd that we will now have 4 uses of the Ramjet specific retooling of the ER Seeker mold and only 4 of the original ER Seeker mold itself and only then if you count ER and SS86 Starscream as separate releases as I do?

Also, C'mon Hasbro, where the hell is Siege Sunstorm and Bitstream, ER Sunstorm, ER Acid Storm, and the generic lavender ER mold seekers already?

TF-fan kev777 wrote:So anyone else find it odd that we will now have 4 uses of the Ramjet specific retooling of the ER Seeker mold and only 4 of the original ER Seeker mold itself and only then if you count ER and SS86 Starscream as separate releases as I do?

Also, C'mon Hasbro, where the hell is Siege Sunstorm and Bitstream, ER Sunstorm, ER Acid Storm, and the generic lavender ER mold seekers already?

I think Hasbro is being too fixated on accuracy when it comes to new figures based on unreleased toys. I would have liked G2 Sandstorm and Cloudcover to have used the Thrust and Dirge molds respectively.

Dr. Caelus wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:So anyone else find it odd that we will now have 4 uses of the Ramjet specific retooling of the ER Seeker mold and only 4 of the original ER Seeker mold itself and only then if you count ER and SS86 Starscream as separate releases as I do?

Also, C'mon Hasbro, where the hell is Siege Sunstorm and Bitstream, ER Sunstorm, ER Acid Storm, and the generic lavender ER mold seekers already?

I think Hasbro is being too fixated on accuracy when it comes to new figures based on unreleased toys. I would have liked G2 Sandstorm and Cloudcover to have used the Thrust and Dirge molds respectively.

Hopefully Thrust is being saved for Nacelle. I would like more variety in the conehead molds that are reused, but there are plenty of other characters they could be used for.

If anybody wanted cartoon hound from pulse instead of walmart he's back up for preorder. I switched mine over cause my boxes from walmart always get a bit bent in the mail.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:So anyone else find it odd that we will now have 4 uses of the Ramjet specific retooling of the ER Seeker mold and only 4 of the original ER Seeker mold itself and only then if you count ER and SS86 Starscream as separate releases as I do?

Also, C'mon Hasbro, where the hell is Siege Sunstorm and Bitstream, ER Sunstorm, ER Acid Storm, and the generic lavender ER mold seekers already?

I agree. I thought we'd get a Seeker army, but I wouldn't have guessed it'd be Ramjet variants!

I mean I can see the logic. They seem to be dedicated to doing G2 - and unusual G2 at that. So they went for unused colors. And Ramjet got used a ton for those.

But I thought we'd get a Sunstorm before any of these. It took forever to get an official Sunstorm out of the classics mold tool; maybe he's fallen out of favor. Or maybe it's because we had so many Starscream variants that they're cool to them right now. They milked that mold for all it's worth, so maybe once they got Ramjet out of their system they'll do Action Master Thundercracker, generic lavender, and Sunstorm.

In the Classics Seeker mold's case, one of the reasons it took so long for Sunstorm to get made was because it was believed by Fun Pub and others that E-Hobby was going to make their own Sunstorm out of that mold. But that ultimately didn't happen, so Fun Pub was able to make their Sunstorm out of that mold at the last minute.

There might be something similar at play, here, with the current lack of any Sunstorm having been made from Earthrise Seeker mold so far.