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And they didn't so much as 'transform' as melt into their alt modes. Yeah, their Throttlebots are great.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Are you saying their is no sword?

Yeah. If im gonna have a classics Fort Max thats not IDW style at least get me a mastersword and he would be on my japanese trilogy shelf.

...I still might reconsider??

Ginrai Minor wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Are you saying their is no sword?

Yeah. If im gonna have a classics Fort Max thats not IDW style at least get me a mastersword and he would be on my japanese trilogy shelf.

...I still might reconsider??

My guesses are TW might do a kit with the GM FM extra stuff later. Think if TW doesn't do the kit, then another company will do it.

Delta Magnus wrote:My god, X. You really are borderline autistic when it comes to how accurate toys are to their original designs from an atrociously animated, badly written cartoon from 30 years ago designed to sell toys.

And I say that as someone with diagnosed Aspergers.

And actually hoping that some unscrupulous scum-suckers would take ToyWorld's hard work and bootleg it- and saying you'd rather have the bootleg rather than the real deal- that's pretty low.

In aggreeance

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Rated X wrote:Wouldn't it be awesome if the same guys who KOed and enlarged toyworlds throttlebots step up and enlarge the crap out of this mold ? Seeing it at least the size of maketoys utopia or bigger would really do this mold justice. Right now its nothing more than a stand alone figure that scales with nothing. The whole thing that makes citybots cool is well...theyre cities.

Except this is being made for fans on a budget. that's what it is in a nut shell.

Just because you don't like something doesn't make it a inferior nothing.

TW FM is in Marvel G-1 TF comics scale.

TW might plan to release more city bots in this 9.1 scale like Scorponok, Metroplex and Trypticon.

PE Deathstalker-Scorponok might be a Leader toy scale. AEC Metroplex is a leader scale toy.

TW FM's toy can still perform it's city bot toy function, just on a much smaller toy scale. Minicons, Micromasters, Legends and basics can all use this toy in city mode and other modes.

I don't think even the smallest microns would scale with this "city". Maybe if you wanted to call it a "base" instead. And that's really sugarcoating it.

I don't think they're doing this for "people on a budget" as you say. I think they are doing this as a novelty for people who have attachment to the character. I don't really have attachment to individual characters, I have attachment to the cartoon as a whole. That's why uniform scale is so important to me. I'm invested in the general classics scale which has been around for years. Im not interested in certain characters being made bigger or smaller as a novelty just because I thought they were "cool".

Delta Magnus wrote:My god, X. You really are borderline autistic

Those are the kind of comments that's better to keep to yourself.

Don't write a check with your mouth that your ass cant cash.

I remember the throttlebots well. I have the entire Rhino DVD set and watch them now and then. I also own 3 of the 6 vintage throttlebots which were all the same scale. Only problem is the vintage scale sucked. I like them all small deluxe as portrayed in The Rebirth.

If we're playing the scale game no Unicron will ever be big enough.

I kinda agree on the city mode being something of a joke when the whole thing is just too small, though. But, if this were the only 3rd party Fort Max in the game I'd be happy with it. It does it's job and it isn't $400.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:If we're playing the scale game no Unicron will ever be big enough.

Agreed, Gauntlet. I mean, a "classics scale" Unicron would still be the size of the moon. And technically speaking, an actually in scale FM would be absolutely colossal- bigger than a large house. IIRC, his official size is over 3000 metres tall- almost as big as Mount Fuji. His G1 toy, which is still the biggest Transformer ever made (if not quite the tallest) still wouldn't be quite in scale with even Legends if you take the "city" thing literally. He's a fortress, certainly, but not a city.

This toy in particular is clearly meant to be a standalone piece, for people who love his design and want an articulated, accurate figure of him that isn't prohibitively large. I'm wondering if this is more aimed at the Japanese market (Toyworld is a Japanese company after all, I think) as the Japanese seem more fond of standalone figures like this.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:If we're playing the scale game no Unicron will ever be big enough.

I kinda agree on the city mode being something of a joke when the whole thing is just too small, though. But, if this were the only 3rd party Fort Max in the game I'd be happy with it. It does it's job and it isn't $400.

True, but a city style base is doable. A planet is not so Unicron is not. I feel all Fortress Maximus really ever had going for him was his bragging rights as the biggest vintage G1 transformer ever. That's probally why the cartoon went for the city sixe. After all the cartoon was really a 30 minute commercial to sell toys. I never read the comics, but it just makes no sense for Marvel to retain his alt mode as a city if they were going to shrink him down to normal size. At least IDW turned him into a battle tank with their "Warden" concept. Like I had said earlier, this is a great novelty for those who really love the character. If I was on a budget, I would probably stick with Hasbro and avoid third party products altogether. (That's just me, no offense to anyone here) This thing costs as much as I paid for Titan Class Metroplex on pre-order. There's no sugarcoating that.

So we can officially dub grant Fortress Minimums.

The scale game is a losing one.

I dunno if a true cityformer would work. What are we comparing it against? Titan Metroplex is a nice one-off, but even that works best with legends and WSTF. I mean, if we're talking about scale.

I mean you're not wrong; this doesn't scale with anything. But, at the same time, I don't think it's trying to.

edit and erase.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:The scale game is a losing one.

What are we comparing it against?

Exactly, great job on hitting the nail on the head.

Their is no set scale as HasTak could care less about this and creates toys for kids not adults with extreme OCD.

The CHUG toy line scale. Has the worse scale out of all the TF toy lines. As most of the toys were given whatever random toy scales Hasbro thought the economy could support at the time or kids would like buying.

3rd parties all have their own visions, each of them are making toys the way they feel it should be.

Wasnt there a rumor that hasbro is planning to retool metroplex into fortress maximus ? Customizers have proved it can be done with a completely different looking city mode. I think its worth the wait.

that would be super b.a. it might even have the double headmaster gimmick if they did it as based on hasbro's upcoming generations brainstorm and botcon scorponok they apparently are again willing to actually produce true headmasters.

Rumors are just rumors, doubt this one will happen.

Nothing about generations Metroplex even remotely resembles the 1987 Fortress Maximus toy, in either of the Three modes.

In order to even remotely make it work, It would require a extensive retooling to the extreme, high spend, time consuming levels. The bigger the toy the more work and money gets invested in the project. After all that time and money spend, It would be quicker and cost less to make a brand new Fort Max toy from scratch.

Anyways, the reason why Hasbro never did that Metrotitan recolor scheme for Titan Metroplex. Was due to Titan Metroplex being deemed a failure in sales for Hasbro in the USA. When most USA big chain retail stores refuse to carry the toy in stores and Hasbro has to rely on online sales to sell Titan Metroplex, The toy is deemed a sales Failure.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Rumors are just rumors, doubt this one will happen.

Nothing about generations Metroplex even remotely resembles the 1987 Fortress Maximus toy, in either of the Three modes.

In order to even remotely make it work, It would require a extensive retooling to the extreme, high spend, time consuming levels. The bigger the toy the more work and money gets invested in the project. After all that time and money spend, It would be quicker and cost less to make a brand new Fort Max toy from scratch.

Anyways, the reason why Hasbro never did that Metrotitan recolor scheme for Titan Metroplex. Was due to Titan Metroplex being deemed a failure in sales for Hasbro in the USA. When most USA big chain retail stores refuse to carry the toy in stores and Hasbro has to rely on online sales to sell Titan Metroplex, The toy is deemed a sales Failure.

That's not true... you're just assuming.. Please provide facts and numbers if you want to make a claim like that. Metrotitan would never sell as a mass released toy.. people were just hoping it'll be an SDCC exclusive.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Anyways, the reason why Hasbro never did that Metrotitan recolor scheme for Titan Metroplex. Was due to Titan Metroplex being deemed a failure in sales for Hasbro in the USA. When most USA big chain retail stores refuse to carry the toy in stores and Hasbro has to rely on online sales to sell Titan Metroplex, The toy is deemed a sales Failure.

False. Hasbro was happy with the sale of Metroplex and are in the process of developing the next Titan Class figure.

Source: Botcon 2014 Hasbro Panel.

Mkall wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Anyways, the reason why Hasbro never did that Metrotitan recolor scheme for Titan Metroplex. Was due to Titan Metroplex being deemed a failure in sales for Hasbro in the USA. When most USA big chain retail stores refuse to carry the toy in stores and Hasbro has to rely on online sales to sell Titan Metroplex, The toy is deemed a sales Failure.

False. Hasbro was happy with the sale of Metroplex and are in the process of developing the next Titan Class figure.

Source: Botcon 2014 Hasbro Panel.

Ha thanks! I knew I heard it somewhere. Also heard Titan class Trypticon is not out of the question.. just don't remember where.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Rumors are just rumors, doubt this one will happen.

Nothing about generations Metroplex even remotely resembles the 1987 Fortress Maximus toy, in either of the Three modes.

In order to even remotely make it work, It would require a extensive retooling to the extreme, high spend, time consuming levels. The bigger the toy the more work and money gets invested in the project. After all that time and money spend, It would be quicker and cost less to make a brand new Fort Max toy from scratch.

I would rather have this than Toyworld Fortress Minimus any day of the week:

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Rated X wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Rumors are just rumors, doubt this one will happen.

Nothing about generations Metroplex even remotely resembles the 1987 Fortress Maximus toy, in either of the Three modes.

In order to even remotely make it work, It would require a extensive retooling to the extreme, high spend, time consuming levels. The bigger the toy the more work and money gets invested in the project. After all that time and money spend, It would be quicker and cost less to make a brand new Fort Max toy from scratch.

I would rather have this than Toyworld Fortress Minimus any day of the week:

generations-fortress-maximus-pic-heavy--t101119.php

Holy crap they used warden for it's head!

Highly doubt HasTak is currently hard at work creating the next Titan class city-bot. If they are, Think any newer Titan class city bot is One to Two to Three plus full years away. While the waiting is on goes on for the HasTak toy. I'll be enjoying my awesome ToyWorld Leader Scale Metroplex toy in around 30 days from now.

Think 2 years is a long time to have nothing. Rather have something while i'm waiting years for the HasTak version. Love the City bots enough to get both the HasTak and Toyworld versions.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Highly doubt HasTak is currently hard at work creating the next Titan class city-bot. If they are, Think any newer Titan class city bot is One to Two to Three plus full years away. While the waiting is on goes on for the HasTak toy. I'll be enjoying my awesome ToyWorld Leader Scale Metroplex toy in around 30 days from now.

Think 2 years is a long time to have nothing. Rather have something while i'm waiting years for the HasTak version. Love the City bots enough to get both the HasTak and Toyworld versions.

man oh man...

tsu, the TW maxes in no way compare to a titan class figure. also, your timeline on the next titan is completely baseless.

shajaki wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Highly doubt HasTak is currently hard at work creating the next Titan class city-bot. If they are, Think any newer Titan class city bot is One to Two to Three plus full years away. While the waiting is on goes on for the HasTak toy. I'll be enjoying my awesome ToyWorld Leader Scale Metroplex toy in around 30 days from now.

Think 2 years is a long time to have nothing. Rather have something while i'm waiting years for the HasTak version. Love the City bots enough to get both the HasTak and Toyworld versions.

man oh man...

tsu, the TW maxes in no way compare to a titan class figure. also, your timeline on the next titan is completely baseless.

Never said the TW FM would be a superior toy compared to a possible or not HasTak Titan city bot version.

What I did say was. The TW version is a great superb toy to have while waiting for the HasTak Titan toy.

What I also said was There is no guarantee HasTak will ever make another Titan City-bot. Rather have the TW version than nothing.

The time line guessing for another Titan City bot was all based on HasTak's 2014 to 2016 TF toy lines AOE, CW and Rid releases dates schedules.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

shajaki wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Highly doubt HasTak is currently hard at work creating the next Titan class city-bot. If they are, Think any newer Titan class city bot is One to Two to Three plus full years away. While the waiting is on goes on for the HasTak toy. I'll be enjoying my awesome ToyWorld Leader Scale Metroplex toy in around 30 days from now.

Think 2 years is a long time to have nothing. Rather have something while i'm waiting years for the HasTak version. Love the City bots enough to get both the HasTak and Toyworld versions.

man oh man...

tsu, the TW maxes in no way compare to a titan class figure. also, your timeline on the next titan is completely baseless.

Never said the TW FM would be a superior toy compared to a possible or not HasTak Titan city bot version.

What I did say was. The TW version is a great superb toy to have while waiting for the HasTak Titan toy.

What I also said was There is no guarantee HasTak will ever make another Titan City-bot. Rather have the TW version than nothing.

The time line guessing for another Titan City bot was all based on HasTak's 2014 to 2016 TF toy lines AOE, CW and Rid releases dates schedules.

On many past threads you have advocated waiting for Hasbro rather than paying "third party prices". What makes this character any different ?