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Who knows, maybe they'll throw a curveball and put him in RiD Magnus colors.
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If we get Actionmasters, I'd want them to transform, just because some of them were designed to. They'd definitely need to be more solid, maybe paneled to avoid transformation gaps, but giving them the option doesn't change the fact that you don't have to transform them. You can keep them in bot mode forever, but it's nice to have options
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For action master redos I'd like them to be smaller in size but more and have vehicles over having transformations but legends sized figures/transformations with more posability would work too (kinda like the prime figures wheeljack and ship etc meets third party hotsoldiers ).
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Aren't the Super7 releases more akin to Action Masters? Plus we do have have the Flame Toys kits (though more pricey). I can't see Hasbro mass retailing Action Masters as they were. Characters who where Action Masters only before though... Yeah I think they'll reuse them eventually, giving them alt modes.
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That Megatron actually looks really, really nice. Like, it takes a somewhat "eh" looking mold and makes it into an awesome one. If this COVID nonsense ever ends I might get him.
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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Who knows, maybe they'll throw a curveball and put him in RiD Magnus colors.
I think the spoiler is that he'll have a decepticon symbol.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread
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william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Who knows, maybe they'll throw a curveball and put him in RiD Magnus colors.
I think the spoiler is that he'll have a decepticon symbol.
This is my thinking as well. I'm more interested in seeing Rung funnily enough, be interesting to see what the show does with him. If he's actually in it of course and not just being shoved on with UM
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william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Who knows, maybe they'll throw a curveball and put him in RiD Magnus colors.
I think the spoiler is that he'll have a decepticon symbol.
I've actually hedged my bets on this. I'm always up for more cons. Oddly enough, I will wait to open up mine until I see the deco from some others first. If I'm not interested, I'll just return it. (Of course I say this now, but my lack of willpower may certainly override this sentiment once I have it in hand.)
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Ultra Mangus - a traitor? The most Autobot-y Autobot of Autobots? That's a terrible idea.william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Who knows, maybe they'll throw a curveball and put him in RiD Magnus colors.
I think the spoiler is that he'll have a decepticon symbol.
But I guess it'll make for a cool figure.
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Not a traitor, pretending to be Decepticon to infiltrate their ranks.sol magnus wrote:Ultra Mangus - a traitor? The most Autobot-y Autobot of Autobots? That's a terrible idea.william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Who knows, maybe they'll throw a curveball and put him in RiD Magnus colors.
I think the spoiler is that he'll have a decepticon symbol.
But I guess it'll make for a cool figure.
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* RiD Galvy dragon head, beast arms
* Leader Ironhide windshield, R hood assy.
* Cyb. Wing Saber left chestplate (argh)
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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Not a traitor, pretending to be Decepticon to infiltrate their ranks.sol magnus wrote:Ultra Mangus - a traitor? The most Autobot-y Autobot of Autobots? That's a terrible idea.william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Who knows, maybe they'll throw a curveball and put him in RiD Magnus colors.
I think the spoiler is that he'll have a decepticon symbol.
But I guess it'll make for a cool figure.
I could live with that, but we won't really know until the show drops.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread
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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Not a traitor, pretending to be Decepticon to infiltrate their ranks.sol magnus wrote:Ultra Mangus - a traitor? The most Autobot-y Autobot of Autobots? That's a terrible idea.william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Who knows, maybe they'll throw a curveball and put him in RiD Magnus colors.
I think the spoiler is that he'll have a decepticon symbol.
But I guess it'll make for a cool figure.
Yeah, exactly. It wouldn't even be the only one in the line since Mirage is doing the same.
Anyways, I found this cool post on Facebook and wanted to share:
I had an epiphany last week... Instead of pay however much for the Phantom Strike Squadron, why not make my own. I scooped up some extra Battle Masters for cheap and did just that. About $15 later and I am beyond happy with what I have.

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william-james88 wrote:Anyways, I found this cool post on Facebook and wanted to share:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater
Oddly enough, ??? is sort of a reversed colors version of Heartburn and Heatstroke with slightly darker blue for the torso and lighter for the rest instead of the other way around.
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Sentinel_Primal wrote:If we get Actionmasters, I'd want them to transform, just because some of them were designed to. They'd definitely need to be more solid, maybe paneled to avoid transformation gaps, but giving them the option doesn't change the fact that you don't have to transform them. You can keep them in bot mode forever, but it's nice to have options
This right here. Add the gimmick, but they don' need to if you won't want them to. Just like the Quintesson, you don't have to transform it at all, but the option is there.
Also, to each their own, but I would prefer to see Starscream and the coneheads, no TC or SW this time around. I'd rather see things like Artfire take the place of one of those guys.
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I'd love to see more Action Master updates (preferably transforming), Krok from TR is still on my want list and I'm slightly mad Perceptor never got a Mainframe retool.
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Late post, but thanks for the review! This deco actually looks pretty awesome. I kinda wish they had used the alternate "miner" head, it would have made this deco hard to resist.
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Tuned Agent wrote:william-james88 wrote:pictorial review of Netflix Megatron
Late post, but thanks for the review! This deco actually looks pretty awesome. I kinda wish they had used the alternate "miner" head, it would have made this deco hard to resist.
I'm still sad we most likely won't get a miner redeco of Siege Megatron that replaces the tank gun with a drill weapon.
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But would it have made sense? From my understanding, this is supposed to be Megs as a battle-hardened warlord.Tuned Agent wrote:william-james88 wrote:pictorial review of Netflix Megatron
Late post, but thanks for the review! This deco actually looks pretty awesome. I kinda wish they had used the alternate "miner" head, it would have made this deco hard to resist.
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* Cyb. Galvatron key, missiles
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* RiD Galvy dragon head, beast arms
* Leader Ironhide windshield, R hood assy.
* Cyb. Wing Saber left chestplate (argh)
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:william-james88 wrote:Deadput wrote:william-james88 wrote:
In case they don't then I already have a blue and black/purple tetrajet on the squad anyway.
Also, the listing you mention which I'll put below doesnt really mention who it was, so it could be anyone:
Voyager Seeker 2-Pack 477915
Late post sorry.
I know the two pack is not mentioned to have names one way or another, I say it's most likely to have the Coneheads because of the presence of Thrust on his own.
I don't see this line having the 3 main Seekers and the Coneheads bar some appearing in selects.
Many assumed as much, as did I, regarding the listings. But I think it could go either way. And the siege line had the 3 main seekers and the rainmakers all appearing in the siege line with two more sekers in different lines. Honestly, to me it would be more surprising for Thundercracker and Skywarp not to come out. Also, I really think Hasbro messed up on Skywarp's Siege deco and added ot the fact that its the seeker fans are looking for the most still, it feels like a no brainer to release and Earthrise version.
I think most of us feel the same way.
I must be the opposite, I absolutely do not want to see Skywarp and Thundercracker, they have had more than enough chances, let the coneheads and maybe another few obscure conehead styled characters have their time.
Stop wasting spots in the line on the 84 seekers. There are now 35 more years to work with
I believe we’re about to see Skywarp and Thundercracker in the Amazon “Earthrise mode 2 pack” this summer.
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sol magnus wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Not a traitor, pretending to be Decepticon to infiltrate their ranks.sol magnus wrote:Ultra Mangus - a traitor? The most Autobot-y Autobot of Autobots? That's a terrible idea.william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Who knows, maybe they'll throw a curveball and put him in RiD Magnus colors.
I think the spoiler is that he'll have a decepticon symbol.
But I guess it'll make for a cool figure.
I could live with that, but we won't really know until the show drops.
or until I get the toy

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B-E-S-U-R-E-T-O-D-R-I-N-K-Y-O-U-R-O-V-A-L-T-I-N-ESarahthecutevixen wrote:sol magnus wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Not a traitor, pretending to be Decepticon to infiltrate their ranks.sol magnus wrote:Ultra Mangus - a traitor? The most Autobot-y Autobot of Autobots? That's a terrible idea.william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Who knows, maybe they'll throw a curveball and put him in RiD Magnus colors.
I think the spoiler is that he'll have a decepticon symbol.
But I guess it'll make for a cool figure.
I could live with that, but we won't really know until the show drops.
or until I get the toy
...depending on what the spoiler cybertronian words are
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread
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Sabrblade wrote:B-E-S-U-R-E-T-O-D-R-I-N-K-Y-O-U-R-O-V-A-L-T-I-N-ESarahthecutevixen wrote:sol magnus wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Not a traitor, pretending to be Decepticon to infiltrate their ranks.sol magnus wrote:Ultra Mangus - a traitor? The most Autobot-y Autobot of Autobots? That's a terrible idea.william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Who knows, maybe they'll throw a curveball and put him in RiD Magnus colors.
I think the spoiler is that he'll have a decepticon symbol.
But I guess it'll make for a cool figure.
I could live with that, but we won't really know until the show drops.
or until I get the toy
...depending on what the spoiler cybertronian words are
could be Ultra Magnus
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