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Magneto is able to fling and bend pieces of metal, while Megatron has his arm cannon and his sheer size.
Who would win?

Zombie Starscream wrote:Magneto is able to fling and bend pieces of metal, while Megatron has his arm cannon and his sheer size.
Who would win?

depends on if megatron's chassis is ferrous or not

tequila stu wrote:

Zombie Starscream wrote:Magneto is able to fling and bend pieces of metal, while Megatron has his arm cannon and his sheer size.
Who would win?

depends on if megatron's chassis is ferrous or not

Have any TF's been magnetic so far?

Anyway, I think that Megatron just shoots Magneto or just sucks him up in a black hole.

I think TF's have been magnatized as such I give this to Master of maganatism.

My bet be on Magneto. He was able to lift and crush Sentinels with his powers, If Transformers are similar size as Sentinels, then Magneto wins.

Magneto wins a one on one with Megatron.

except for the 100% organic, super warrior SAVAGE/NOBLE

ebilly99 wrote:except for the 100% organic, super warrior SAVAGE/NOBLE

who happens to have something that passes for iron in his blood... Magneto wins

But really Magneto versus any magnetizable mecha is a lose lose for the thread...

As we've seen. Magneto can magnetize metal, even if it's not naturally magnetic, and even though Transformers are protected against EMP devices. The Master of Magnetism would have a field day making Megatron dance, and sing before crushing him into a tiny block and selling him to a recycling place.

So, Magneto wins.

im not too sure about this. what version of magneto are we talking about? magneto might be able to crush sentinels, but sentinels arnt transformers, and they sure as hell arnt megatron. magneto might be able to lift megatron, but megatrons sheer strength might stop magneto from really twisting him around and damaging him. and one serious shot from his fusion cannon would end this.

so if magneto lifts megatron off the ground and hold him in place, if megatron can overpower magnetos ability and aim at magneto, even for a second, it could end it. magneto has a shield he can put up, but i dont think it could withstand a blast from megatrons fusion cannon.

it all depends on what version of magneto and what version of megatron. comic megaton agains movie magneto id give it to megatron. cartoon megatron against comic magneto id go with magneto. but there are different versions of magneto in the comics too, with differeing power levels.

I dont know if Strenght has anything to do with it I'm sure Wolverine could beat Mags in a arm wreslting match but when come to powers Megs will and stright have nothing to do with Magneto's Undeniable force of Magnetism. Magneto force him to blow his own head off. Or even more fun HE makes him pull his own head off.

Phategod1 wrote:I dont know if Strenght has anything to do with it I'm sure Wolverine could beat Mags in a arm wreslting match but when come to powers Megs will and stright have nothing to do with Magneto's Undeniable force of Magnetism. Magneto force him to blow his own head off. Or even more fun HE makes him pull his own head off.

Well, I guess that depends. Movie Magneto was a hell of a lot weaker than any comic or cartoon incarnation of Magneto.

So I could see movie Magneto getting his ass handed to him by a Megatron.

i didnt mean physical strength as in megatron is stronger than magneto. but the amount of strength megatron has in his arm might be greater than magnetos power to hold his arm in one place. so say magneto can lift 100 tons with his powers, if megatron can lift 200 tons, even though magneto can lift him up and throw him, he wont be able to hold his arms outstretched because megatron would have the physical strength to move despite magneto trying to hold him. so if megatron can overpower magneto long enough to get a shot off with his fusion cannon he would probably win.

unique_username wrote:i didn’t mean physical strength as in Megatron is stronger than magneto. But the amount of strength Megatron has in his arm might be greater than magnetos power to hold his arm in one place. So say magneto can lift 100 tons with his powers, if Megatron can lift 200 tons, even though magneto can lift him up and throw him, he won’t be able to hold his arms outstretched because Megatron would have the physical strength to move despite magneto trying to hold him. So if Megatron can overpower magneto long enough to get a shot off with his fusion cannon he would probably win.

I think you’re missing the nature of real magnetism, Marvels Magnetism and Magnetos effective mastery on despite what version is used.

Real magnetism deals with a magnetic field pulling on primarily ferrous metals. Two magnetic fields would effectively negate them selves or have one over power the other assuming they are opposing each other at any time. With this in mind, the movie scene from x-men 2 showing Magneto escape should prove he is not using principles of real magnetism. Real Magnetism doesn't liquefy metals, effect one metallic object but not another of similar composition, or send two objects in divergent directions. Thus even movie Magneto uses Marvel magnetism.

Marvel magnetism allows the bonding or suppurating of metal from both metallic and non metallic structure as seen from Magneto separating the adamantium from Wolverines body. There is nothing, to my knowledge, suggesting this could not be done on a larger scale. Marvel magnetism also can liquefy metals, effect one metallic object while not another of similar composition, and send two objects in divergent directions.

Magneto's mastery of magnetism goes one step further... I’ll reference a few other cartoon/anime series for clarification. Besides being in sync with over 98% of the earth’s electromagnetic field, and able to sync himself with the EM fields of other planets provided he is on said planet long enough. Magneto can segment his control over complete metallic structures, isolating various sections. Let’s use Avatar's benders along with Naruto's own Gara for reference. While earth benders vary in skill going so far to control sand and even Toph's control of metal. Earth benders much like Gara have shown limits to how much they can control. There is Toph holding a sinking palace and Gara, well being Gara. Comic Magneto has held up Avalon, his replacement for his Asteroid M with no signs of fatigue. Magneto's range of control goes above and below the scope of Magnetism on the energy spectrum making shockwave look like his personal flashlight. Much as water benders in Avatar can change the state of water from solid and liquid, comic Magneto has done so. Even precision wise cartoon Magneto has triggered a missile launch solely using his mutant powers on a Missile silo and launch tower. Movie magneto can work shotguns, pulling triggers and chambering rounds in multiples, i think he could disable the fusion canon.

So all Magnetos use marvel magnetism. Cartoon and Comic Magneto could mess with his programming or forcefully disassemble small key components along with movie magneto. Simply separating him from his fusion canon by applying unique_username's mentioned 100 tons of force on the connection, or any other point, would by pass a lifting strength of 200 tons.

Magneto by far is just too broken a character for a normal TF to fight. I know Megatron is a big contender but if his magnetism can effect an opponent in any way he has an unfare advantage.

Hopefully this can end the Mangeto v.s. magnetisable robot threads.

UMMMMMMMMMM.... yeah what he said.

AxiomScion wrote:

unique_username wrote:i didn’t mean physical strength as in Megatron is stronger than magneto. But the amount of strength Megatron has in his arm might be greater than magnetos power to hold his arm in one place. So say magneto can lift 100 tons with his powers, if Megatron can lift 200 tons, even though magneto can lift him up and throw him, he won’t be able to hold his arms outstretched because Megatron would have the physical strength to move despite magneto trying to hold him. So if Megatron can overpower magneto long enough to get a shot off with his fusion cannon he would probably win.

I think you’re missing the nature of real magnetism, Marvels Magnetism and Magnetos effective mastery on despite what version is used.

Real magnetism deals with a magnetic field pulling on primarily ferrous metals. Two magnetic fields would effectively negate them selves or have one over power the other assuming they are opposing each other at any time. With this in mind, the movie scene from x-men 2 showing Magneto escape should prove he is not using principles of real magnetism. Real Magnetism doesn't liquefy metals, effect one metallic object but not another of similar composition, or send two objects in divergent directions. Thus even movie Magneto uses Marvel magnetism.

Marvel magnetism allows the bonding or suppurating of metal from both metallic and non metallic structure as seen from Magneto separating the adamantium from Wolverines body. There is nothing, to my knowledge, suggesting this could not be done on a larger scale. Marvel magnetism also can liquefy metals, effect one metallic object while not another of similar composition, and send two objects in divergent directions.

Magneto's mastery of magnetism goes one step further... I’ll reference a few other cartoon/anime series for clarification. Besides being in sync with over 98% of the earth’s electromagnetic field, and able to sync himself with the EM fields of other planets provided he is on said planet long enough. Magneto can segment his control over complete metallic structures, isolating various sections. Let’s use Avatar's benders along with Naruto's own Gara for reference. While earth benders vary in skill going so far to control sand and even Toph's control of metal. Earth benders much like Gara have shown limits to how much they can control. There is Toph holding a sinking palace and Gara, well being Gara. Comic Magneto has held up Avalon, his replacement for his Asteroid M with no signs of fatigue. Magneto's range of control goes above and below the scope of Magnetism on the energy spectrum making shockwave look like his personal flashlight. Much as water benders in Avatar can change the state of water from solid and liquid, comic Magneto has done so. Even precision wise cartoon Magneto has triggered a missile launch solely using his mutant powers on a Missile silo and launch tower. Movie magneto can work shotguns, pulling triggers and chambering rounds in multiples, i think he could disable the fusion canon.

So all Magnetos use marvel magnetism. Cartoon and Comic Magneto could mess with his programming or forcefully disassemble small key components along with movie magneto. Simply separating him from his fusion canon by applying unique_username's mentioned 100 tons of force on the connection, or any other point, would by pass a lifting strength of 200 tons.

Magneto by far is just too broken a character for a normal TF to fight. I know Megatron is a big contender but if his magnetism can effect an opponent in any way he has an unfare advantage.

Hopefully this can end the Mangeto v.s. magnetisable robot threads.

Well, it's not really ended. The regular comic version of Magneto could definatly kick the crap out of Megatron. However, in Ultimate X-men, Colossus while still in his metal form, was able to resist Magneto's power and clobber the guy.

So, if U-Colossus can resist Magneto's ability, then there is a very good chance that Megatron could do it as well, against U-Magneto.

Movie Magneto isn't nearly as strong as any comic or cartoon incarnation of Magneto, so he would be defeated.

Well Movie Magneto was able to bring the Blackbird or what ever they called it from terminal velocity to a dead stop. with out a proper calcualtion thats got to be close to 25 tons of pressure stopped with one hand and he didn't even break a sweat. I dont think overall strength plays a factor basically it come down to his (magnetos) will. If it metallic regardless of how its controlled or the force behind it he can stop it I think thats what Scion was trying to say

Phategod1 wrote:Well Movie Magneto was able to bring the Blackbird or what ever they called it from terminal velocity to a dead stop. with out a proper calcualtion thats got to be close to 25 tons of pressure stopped with one hand and he didn't even break a sweat. I dont think overall strength plays a factor basically it come down to his (magnetos) will. If it metallic regardless of how its controlled or the force behind it he can stop it I think thats what Scion was trying to say

True, however looking at the first film, when he activated the spinny-easy-mutant-bake-oven thing, he drained pretty quickly. The comic incarnation of Magneto wouldn't have had a problem with that.

Sure movie Magneto was able to stop the blackbird from crashing. But then he's also unable to escape a plastic prison on his own, when the 616 Magneto would have been able to find a metal spork a good 3 blocks away, bring it to him and stab people with it while in prison.

The movies were really vague on Magneto's powers, it's like they were trying to make him seem uber at times, and at others, not as good. He can stop the blackbird, but has trouble lifting a bridge. He can bitchslap a prison convoy from a good distance, but can't escape a plastic prison.

Go figure.

Senor Hugo wrote:

Phategod1 wrote:Well Movie Magneto was able to bring the Blackbird or what ever they called it from terminal velocity to a dead stop. with out a proper calcualtion thats got to be close to 25 tons of pressure stopped with one hand and he didn't even break a sweat. I dont think overall strength plays a factor basically it come down to his (magnetos) will. If it metallic regardless of how its controlled or the force behind it he can stop it I think thats what Scion was trying to say

True, however looking at the first film, when he activated the spinny-easy-mutant-bake-oven thing, he drained pretty quickly. The comic incarnation of Magneto wouldn't have had a problem with that.

Sure movie Magneto was able to stop the blackbird from crashing. But then he's also unable to escape a plastic prison on his own, when the 616 Magneto would have been able to find a metal spork a good 3 blocks away, bring it to him and stab people with it while in prison.

The movies were really vague on Magneto's powers, it's like they were trying to make him seem uber at times, and at others, not as good. He can stop the blackbird, but has trouble lifting a bridge. He can bitchslap a prison convoy from a good distance, but can't escape a plastic prison.

Go figure.

But it was a magical prison!

Senor Hugo wrote:

Phategod1 wrote:Well Movie Magneto was able to bring the Blackbird or what ever they called it from terminal velocity to a dead stop. with out a proper calcualtion thats got to be close to 25 tons of pressure stopped with one hand and he didn't even break a sweat. I dont think overall strength plays a factor basically it come down to his (magnetos) will. If it metallic regardless of how its controlled or the force behind it he can stop it I think thats what Scion was trying to say

True, however looking at the first film, when he activated the spinny-easy-mutant-bake-oven thing, he drained pretty quickly. The comic incarnation of Magneto wouldn't have had a problem with that.

Sure movie Magneto was able to stop the blackbird from crashing. But then he's also unable to escape a plastic prison on his own, when the 616 Magneto would have been able to find a metal spork a good 3 blocks away, bring it to him and stab people with it while in prison.

The movies were really vague on Magneto's powers, it's like they were trying to make him seem uber at times, and at others, not as good. He can stop the blackbird, but has trouble lifting a bridge. He can bitchslap a prison convoy from a good distance, but can't escape a plastic prison.

Go figure.

In the first X-Men (film) he planed to used Rogue to power his spinny-easy-mutant-bake-oven thing because the strain of its use on a large scale would kill him. This is the film maker's key plot devise for Rogue being a needed character and really shouldn't display Magneto's weakness. If to scifi fan wank an explanation, i'ld guess he used the machine to amp his own powers to beyond a magnetic feild, or even a gama radiated feild, but rather that of a cosmic radiated feild. Think fantastic four gone wrong. And just for clearification, i do think movie Magneto is the weakest version i've seen yet. So we agree on that Sr. Hugo

As for the plastic prison. Multi-layer tiers of plexy-glass and space-age plastics, which have over a quarter mile expance of no metal outside the compound he is detained in, might make escape... difficult. Movie Magneto also seems to have an effective range comparable to a line of site. But once he has a hold of said metal, 5 pounds of any metal would be more than enough for him to effect an escape...

Movie Magneto lifting a portion of a bridge should not be seen as weakness. Megatron can't lift the same bridge, maybe the 20 plus cars stacked on it though, and he's not that heavy for Magneto not to lift him. I'm sticking to the out of visible range thing for the plastic prison specificly built to contain him.

As for Ultiamte Magneto and Colossus, please don't penalize the character for poor writting. I personally think even a 12 year old with his power set would be smart enough lift his, under 500 pounds, metal opponent once he even looked like he would resist being pushed back. But go figure. Or atleast consider that Magneto over powered ultimates Thor, and that ultimates Colossus is practically a match for 616's Hulk or the ult. universe closest equivalent too in physical strength planetside.

I'm thinking if a Magneto and a G1 Megatron are each placed in the middle of a football stadium, or atleast that range of each other, it's going to end badly for the slag maker.

But then again... I could be wrong about movie Magneto. He is considerably weaker than the outher versions... and there is nothing to proove he has a self generated EM force feild capable of repelling energy blasts. At the very least Sr.Hugo, we should agree 616's Magneto should not be used in a magnetizable robot vs. match.

But then why would anyone want to pit the best version of one character against the worst of another?

Hell, I'ld bedbt money movie Megs is considered weaker that G1 Megs. Even movie Unicron is the weakest intact version of the TF dark god.

G1 Megatron has much more combat experience than Magneto. I imagine he could finish the fight quickly by throwing a piece of non-ferrous material at Magneto. This would be done faster than Magneto could react. In the 'Days of Future Past' movie, old Magneto was dealt a mortal blow by a small, sharp piece of plastic shrapnel penetrating his belly.