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Dead Metal wrote:Hero Alpha wrote:Now stupid, annoying "political correctness" is trying to jack up my Transformers universe, I wish people would just stop with PC crap.
Hero Alpha wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Hero Alpha wrote:Now stupid, annoying "political correctness" is trying to jack up my Transformers universe, I wish people would just stop with PC crap.
I know right? Just let them be Transformers, no need to put our labels and hang-ups on them.
Okay, this question has come up a lot and it’s time to finally answer.
In a vacuum, Furman’s story is completely legitimate. The idea that someone is fundamentally changed against their will and struggles/rages against that is a really interesting idea. In fact, I wrote a very similar thing with the Dinobots. It taps into a deep human fear that God exists and is apathetic to/causes our pain.
Also dealing with characters that are literally alien naturally leads writers to play with/explore what aspects of humanity do and do not translate: are they alive? does Primus really equate to God if they have concrete knowledge of his existance? what does it mean to be male/female in a non-reproductive species?
The issues I have with Furman’s choice is that we don’t exist in a vacuum and the suggestion that 1. women only exist in aberration 2. being a women is inherently traumatic 3. being a women has any correlation to mental illness are extremely upsetting. Do I think Furman was trying to make a statement about human women with Arcee’s origins? No. In fact, the largest share of blame lies with the tokenization of women in the brand in general. If Arcee was one of many women transformers and she became female in this manner, it would not be an issue for women writ large (although still troubling for the transgender community). It is because she is the ONLY women (and that this story ensures that she will ALWAYS BE the only woman) that Arcee’s story becomes untenable.
Hopefully John, James and I have come up with a way around this Gordian Knot that will satisfy the fan-base, but satisfying-or-no, the most immediate imperative is to ENSURE this story does not continue to keep women readers, fans and characters at arm’s length from the brand. I’ve often said that everyone should feel that they are allowed to like Transformers and it is my complete and utter privilege to take this next step to make that happen.
TLDR version: Arcee’s origin is offensive because we don’t have any other female origins to balance it. We’re working on it, stay tuned.
PS To fans that still claim Transformers are asexual: Academically, you have legitimate standing, but practically, ask yourself this: Jazz has been voice by actors from three different races over the years. If, in the next video game, Jazz was voiced by a woman, would you feel the character had been changed at all? If so, you do not perceive Transformers to be asexual. If not, you are a rare, rare bird indeed.
'Til All Are One,
Mairghread
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
PS To fans that still claim Transformers are asexual: Academically, you have legitimate standing, but practically, ask yourself this: Jazz has been voice by actors from three different races over the years. If, in the next video game, Jazz was voiced by a woman, would you feel the character had been changed at all? If so, you do not perceive Transformers to be asexual. If not, you are a rare, rare bird indeed.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:If Furman's gonna be such a sourpuss about this, I challenge him to introduce the male gender into Transformers with a noticeable differences between those who claims he no gender and those who just got the male treatment (beyond simply throwing it in our faces with effortless "I AM NOW MALE!" statements and the like).
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Hero Alpha wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Hero Alpha wrote:Now stupid, annoying "political correctness" is trying to jack up my Transformers universe, I wish people would just stop with PC crap.
I know right? Just let them be Transformers, no need to put our labels and hang-ups on them.
Seibertron wrote:I hate seeing this discussion. Let me make it really simple for everyone. There are Transformers who have male appearances, speech, and mannerisms and there are Transformers who have female appearances, speech, and mannerisms. They don't reproduce in a method with which we are familiar. It's really that simple.
Some things are best left not overcomplicating.
That Bot wrote:If you made any of the"genderless" characters male, absolutely nothing about them would change. That's why people are annoyed about Furman's remarks.
And one that he seems to have deleted:simon furman says:
January 2, 2014 at 7:47 am
Okay, so while I was toasting the New Year, this thread has gone has gone a little berserk. Thanks for all your comments, one way or the other, but I’m drawing a line in the sand here. Mairghread and I have spoken and ironed out the bumps. Let there be an end to this. And like I said before, I won’t tolerate outright rudeness. Dave Grew – please respect my wishes and do not post insults. That won’t be tolerated.
simon furman says:
January 2, 2014 at 7:48 am
That means no more posts here, please. Thanks. Let’s all move on now.
simon furman says:
January 2, 2014 at 9:51 am
I asked for no more comments here. PLEASE RESPECT MY WISHES.
simon furman on January 2, 2014 at 9:57 am
The matter is closed. No apologies or resolution are forthcoming. No further discussion will be tolerated. THIS I COMMAND!
That's it. Short, clear, and to the point.Mairghread and I have spoken and ironed out the bumps.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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