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Twitchythe3rd wrote:synapse wrote:I know, that's what bothers me. Megatron's spark was modified for mass displacement, Prowl's wasn't (not that we know of, anyway). As it took Shockwave centuries to perfect the combiner tech, he could have modified the Constructicons' sparks before the AHM series, ok fine... but why do all TF artists seem to LOVE making the combiners ridiculously huge when there's no need? Only Figueroa seemed to deliberately draw Monstructor right (or at least, right size) in Spotlight: Optimus Prime.
Oh well...
Dramatic effect.
synapse wrote:I know, that's what bothers me. Megatron's spark was modified for mass displacement, Prowl's wasn't (not that we know of, anyway). As it took Shockwave centuries to perfect the combiner tech, he could have modified the Constructicons' sparks before the AHM series, ok fine... but why do all TF artists seem to LOVE making the combiners ridiculously huge when there's no need? Only Figueroa seemed to deliberately draw Monstructor right (or at least, right size) in Spotlight: Optimus Prime.
Oh well...
synapse wrote:Uh... ok man, look, I'm happy with ANY explanatiion. As long as writers bother giving us any. Just as simple as "gestalt tech requires tons of enery and increasing mass/size, well done Shockwave, my friend!". But I guess artists just assume combiners must be humongous, no matter what the individual members were like just a second before combining. I mean, Prowlstator's HEAD was much bigger than the whole Ironhide. Just the head!! Which means Prowl had become like 10 times bigger than Ironhide. No explanation at all.
Yeah yeah I know, gigantic alien robots and I make a fuss about their size. Whatever. I may like Batman but I like GOOD Batman stories, not just anything the writers decide to do with the character, that's all.
ZeroWolf wrote:I think they do it on purpose for the point of giant robots fighting...which means from a human perspective they will be godzilla sized (will that be tge next IDW crossover? Godzilla vs Combiner Wars? )
Optimizzy wrote:synapse wrote:Uh... ok man, look, I'm happy with ANY explanatiion. As long as writers bother giving us any. Just as simple as "gestalt tech requires tons of enery and increasing mass/size, well done Shockwave, my friend!". But I guess artists just assume combiners must be humongous, no matter what the individual members were like just a second before combining. I mean, Prowlstator's HEAD was much bigger than the whole Ironhide. Just the head!! Which means Prowl had become like 10 times bigger than Ironhide. No explanation at all.
Yeah yeah I know, gigantic alien robots and I make a fuss about their size. Whatever. I may like Batman but I like GOOD Batman stories, not just anything the writers decide to do with the character, that's all.
Well in that vein, good stories don't have to have everything spelled out. A good story is one that grabs you and you find interesting. Honestly, I think the artists are trying to get across "gestalt equals power". Think about how much bigger Godzilla is in the new movie. He's like several magnitudes bigger. That's because if he was the original size he'd be dwarfed by the city he was placed in and the audience would not see him as the cataclysmic threat. Same is with the gestalts. In reality, they would be maybe three or four times the height of a regular transformer, but that's not as threatening as making them truly humongous.
Complaining about the size at this point is nitpicking about a detail, not about the story. It's ok to do, but it's still a nitpick.
BERSEKAEL wrote:so thats devastator? weird head sculpt
padfoo wrote:I hope they explore some aspects of the side effects of gestalts as a plot point, otherwise we'll be stuck with these over powered beings who can shift the tide of a battle or power struggle. Without side effects it would seem its the perfect weapon.
Caelus wrote:padfoo wrote:I hope they explore some aspects of the side effects of gestalts as a plot point, otherwise we'll be stuck with these over powered beings who can shift the tide of a battle or power struggle. Without side effects it would seem its the perfect weapon.
Not sure where you're at in the comics, so I'll black it all out:
Menasor wound up crippled by his components literally arguing with each other, in what was frankly a hilarious scene.
Superion was merged unwilling by some force in the wilds of reformatted Cybertron, and as yet they've still been unable to separate the aerialbots, forcing them to make repairs on him as a whole, which is not only a massive undertaking (because as mentioned before he's much bigger than his constituent parts), I get the impression they really don't know how to handle his physiology.
Most recently, Prowl's started having trouble with the Constructicon's names, calling Longhaul "Scrapper", even though Scrapper was dead long before Prowl was merged with them. He may also have started talking to himself, but he spends enough time on comms with spies and stuff it's hard to tell. Honestly, I think Scrapper was an integral part of Devastator's gestalt identity, so even after he died individually, some element of him remained in Devastator himself. When Prowl merged with the Constructicons, he became part of that identity (Devastator's personality has notably shifted, becoming more intelligent and more disciplined), but I don't think he replaced Scrapper mentally - I think Scrapper's still there, in Devastator, and the ghost in the machine is getting into Prowl's head, talking to him and such.
It'll be interesting if this is a side-effect unique to Devastator's combination, or if the scramble-city combiners also exhibit this - if they're swapping limbs willy-nilly, they could develop some seriously weird... issues.
EDIT: As far as the perfect weapon thing, the Transformers do have large starships with orbital artillery, and except for Superion, the gestalts don't fly, so while powerful, I don't think they're completely game-breaking.
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