Dr Va'al wrote:LE0KING wrote:Speaking of artists, what ever happened to Stone? Do we know?
Personal issues is all we're told. Shame, though.
That's too bad, I'll miss her taking my giant murder-bots and making them pretty.
Dr Va'al wrote:LE0KING wrote:Speaking of artists, what ever happened to Stone? Do we know?
Personal issues is all we're told. Shame, though.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Ironhidensh wrote:Pure rubish. Given the past history of both Optimus and Starscream, for the council to take Screamers side over Prime is ridiculous. Like, takes me out if the story ridiculous.
Randomhero wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:Pure rubish. Given the past history of both Optimus and Starscream, for the council to take Screamers side over Prime is ridiculous. Like, takes me out if the story ridiculous.
I'd agree but this is not the full comic or the entire scene. It's just the first couple pages.
I do however can't not think that Starscream was one of the first decepticons to attempt an invasion on earth back in the -action series and participate in the all out assault on earth AND return to earth in the ongoing with the rest of the Decepticons. That can't be ignored.
Dr Va'al wrote:Randomhero wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:Pure rubish. Given the past history of both Optimus and Starscream, for the council to take Screamers side over Prime is ridiculous. Like, takes me out if the story ridiculous.
I'd agree but this is not the full comic or the entire scene. It's just the first couple pages.
I do however can't not think that Starscream was one of the first decepticons to attempt an invasion on earth back in the -action series and participate in the all out assault on earth AND return to earth in the ongoing with the rest of the Decepticons. That can't be ignored.
Does the council know that, though? He brokered a fair few of those deals himself, where Windblade didn't, and I'm certain he didn't let slip that he had expansionist tactics in the past.
Randomhero wrote:I enjoyed this issue. I loved the story: I hated the art but the story was really good. Not really sure how to take Optimus being the 13th. I know that's how the aligned did it but that was a continuity where God is real and everyone knows it. That's not how IDW works especially since the thirteen in IDW are just leaders of tribes and not children of God. I guess maybe his spark was removed and put back in the ground? That sounds rediculous but we know Optimus is a forged point one percentor
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Watch, it will actually be Sentinel who is the arisen.
2) "No Cosmos, I want him to bow to ME". Yikes.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Earth is a colony, and in all actuality there is a second Fortress Maximus residing within the planet that is going to rise along with Sentinel
Dr Va'al wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Watch, it will actually be Sentinel who is the arisen.
Now that is an interesting development you pointed out.2) "No Cosmos, I want him to bow to ME". Yikes.
That line was chilling, and yes, a good indication of what he is becoming/has become. I liked your summary of his arc.
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:But at the same time, don't forget that it was said that the 13 ores were planted on the planets where the 13 Primes supposedly went after they left Cybertron (and the enigma). I don't recall them ever saying that the ores were planted where the colony worlds were, just the final resting places of the 13.
Randomhero wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:But at the same time, don't forget that it was said that the 13 ores were planted on the planets where the 13 Primes supposedly went after they left Cybertron (and the enigma). I don't recall them ever saying that the ores were planted where the colony worlds were, just the final resting places of the 13.
They did. Alpha Trion mentions that shockwave did not launch them randomly. He chose those planets specially. 13 ores on 13 planets 13 primes. It was the issue where alpha Trion tells Optimus about galavtrons past during ancient syberyron when they visited the moon. Sadly shockwave took all his secrets to the grave. 2 years ago the one guy who apparently knew everything died and I'm starting to wonder if maybe, just maybe shockwave may be returning somehow someday because apparently he has all the answers to all the questions that are getting asked in Transformers
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Randomhero wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:But at the same time, don't forget that it was said that the 13 ores were planted on the planets where the 13 Primes supposedly went after they left Cybertron (and the enigma). I don't recall them ever saying that the ores were planted where the colony worlds were, just the final resting places of the 13.
They did. Alpha Trion mentions that shockwave did not launch them randomly. He chose those planets specially. 13 ores on 13 planets 13 primes. It was the issue where alpha Trion tells Optimus about galavtrons past during ancient syberyron when they visited the moon. Sadly shockwave took all his secrets to the grave. 2 years ago the one guy who apparently knew everything died and I'm starting to wonder if maybe, just maybe shockwave may be returning somehow someday because apparently he has all the answers to all the questions that are getting asked in Transformers
I just checked. He said the ores were planted on the resting places of the 13 primes, not colonies. And yes, Shockwave had lots of secrets that now many of us want and need to know.
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Yep, I'm slightly confused too. John is making this increasingly difficult to keep a good grip on, which is good cause it makes peoples brains hurt figuring this scrap out.
I wouldn't rule out Shockwave and Bee coming back. Bee has kept up regular appearances thanks to Starscream talking to his ghost, and Wave is a big character who now has lots of information that many other characters never saw.
I'm also still pretty sure the titans and the primes were on different planets and the ores paired up with the primes and the titans were separate. The titans just each were loyal to and embodied something from the prime they were paired with.
Randomhero wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Yep, I'm slightly confused too. John is making this increasingly difficult to keep a good grip on, which is good cause it makes peoples brains hurt figuring this scrap out.
I wouldn't rule out Shockwave and Bee coming back. Bee has kept up regular appearances thanks to Starscream talking to his ghost, and Wave is a big character who now has lots of information that many other characters never saw.
I'm also still pretty sure the titans and the primes were on different planets and the ores paired up with the primes and the titans were separate. The titans just each were loyal to and embodied something from the prime they were paired with.
I think it's the same. Why would a Titan not colonize the planet of the prime they were connected to? We know caminus worshipped Solus Prime. Windblade even says they all believe that they were all born with a part of her in them. Same with Eurakis. The beast formers there all worship Onyx Prime and the Titan there knew him.
Alpha Trion throws a huge wrench into much of the 13/13/13 stuff.Randomhero wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Randomhero wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:But at the same time, don't forget that it was said that the 13 ores were planted on the planets where the 13 Primes supposedly went after they left Cybertron (and the enigma). I don't recall them ever saying that the ores were planted where the colony worlds were, just the final resting places of the 13.
They did. Alpha Trion mentions that shockwave did not launch them randomly. He chose those planets specially. 13 ores on 13 planets 13 primes. It was the issue where alpha Trion tells Optimus about galavtrons past during ancient syberyron when they visited the moon. Sadly shockwave took all his secrets to the grave. 2 years ago the one guy who apparently knew everything died and I'm starting to wonder if maybe, just maybe shockwave may be returning somehow someday because apparently he has all the answers to all the questions that are getting asked in Transformers
I just checked. He said the ores were planted on the resting places of the 13 primes, not colonies. And yes, Shockwave had lots of secrets that now many of us want and need to know.
Except we know that colonies were chosen because they the planets that the Prime's chose to go. Or the other way around. Technically cyclonus, nova dai atlas and Galvatron all existed during the era of the 13 and according to the annual for RID Metrotitans left way before their time so it's possible the 13 chose planets that Titans were already on. Confused? I sure as hell am as I write this. QUESTIONS QUESTIONS QUESTIONS! That should be the new subtitle after the removed RID from johns book!
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