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Ironhidensh wrote:

ScottyP wrote:You Alpha Bravo haters take your Quickslinger toys and be happy already.

I'm sorry, I really am, but the idea of a helicopter keeping up with a team of jets is just ridiculous. I just can't comprehend how the editors have let this be, or how Hasbro has signed off on it.

sooo you never complained about Blades leaving the entire Protectobots behind, the stunticons speeding off and leaving motormaster in the dust, blast off always arriving first to every battle scene, snaptrap paddling along whilst the other seacons finish the fight before he's even gotten halfway....

you sir are illogical


or how about the trainbots being limited to how they get anywhere

Coptur wrote:...how about the trainbots being limited to how they get anywhere

Stupid trains.

Well I do see your point (and this isn't an argument for or against the existence of Alpha Bravo) at the end of the day its about minimum velocity rather than maximum. Could the other jets fly slow enough to fly with Alpha Bravo? Probably. Could Blades stay in formation with the Protectobots and stay in flight? Absolutely. Would the other Stunticons stay with Motormaster rather than driving ahead of him? DEFINITELY! (Would you want someone that mean to be behind you?) With Blast Off you have a point but then he's a shuttle and that's already pretty silly when you think about it. As for Snaptrap again you are correct but his bio does list him as being quite slow and that he's never needed his speed to begin with. Just because they CAN go much faster than their teammates doesn't mean they always do.

As for the trainbots....eh I agree but I dunno, maybe they deploy wheels when they're off the tracks or something?

Nemesis Maximo wrote:

Coptur wrote:...how about the trainbots being limited to how they get anywhere

Stupid trains.

Pffft. Trains

Wheeljack808 wrote:After reading opening salvo I gotta say that this line of comics is gonna be REALLY cool. I love how they seem to take a lot of elements from other transformers series and connect them together here....sort of like they're COMBINING them. LOL sorry had to do it.

I mean rattrap is here (beast wars)
Starscream is in his Armada form (or at least closer to it)
Story elements from Re-Generation One can be seen here or there.

It's super cool. I also love seeing Optimus's interactions with Starscream as the "leader" of Cybertron. Kind of like the relationship Thor has with Loki. I will trust you for now, but step out of line and you will be dead SO fast. LOL

I can't wait to see where this series goes.

I think it's funny that, paradoxically, Optimus is hamstrung by his own values. He's beholden to the will of the people and their choices, but they chose Starscream who is ever duplicitous and self-serving. Yet he can't intervene and choose who gains power, or he'd be elevating his will over everyone else. And Starscream knows it.

Can we stop with the Alpha Bravo crap already? He was never an original Aerialbot. Hasbro admitted he was a mistake (kind of) when they were talking about Dragstrip and Air raid being in the wrong waves.

With the exception of Alpha Bravo not having a personality, Windblade #1 was great. The writing and art were top notch. The book made me want to buy both combiners. But in the end the book is stil a failure for using bland made up characters alongside corny creations like Hot shot and Windblade.

RevTibe wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:First off, there is no physical way Rodimus could've given Prime his half of the Matrix. So it's not that. It's possible that it could be Bumblebee's half, as we havn't actually seen that one since "Death of Optimus Prime".

Ok, so in this issue he has the whole darn thing. It's even referred to as the hilt of the Star Saber (the blade, not the 'bot), meaning it couldn't just be half. There has to be something I missed, because this just isn't normal for John "Continuity" Barber.

The crystal core was split in half, one given to Bumblebee, one to Rodimus. As of Opening Salvo, we see that Optimus has placed Bumblebee's half of the crystal core back into the complete "Container".

at least on the digital version, after close inspection, it only looks like half a sphere is glowing

Where he is going to get the other half from, we can only guess. Since it's gone.

Coptur wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

ScottyP wrote:You Alpha Bravo haters take your Quickslinger toys and be happy already.

I'm sorry, I really am, but the idea of a helicopter keeping up with a team of jets is just ridiculous. I just can't comprehend how the editors have let this be, or how Hasbro has signed off on it.

sooo you never complained about Blades leaving the entire Protectobots behind, the stunticons speeding off and leaving motormaster in the dust, blast off always arriving first to every battle scene, snaptrap paddling along whilst the other seacons finish the fight before he's even gotten halfway....

you sir are illogical


or how about the trainbots being limited to how they get anywhere

I'm a 35 year old happily married father of 2 awesome little boys. I have a job, 401k, mortgage, and a minivan. My biggest purchase last year was a cub cadet riding lawn tractor, and I was super stoked about it.
All that and I spend time on the Internet talking about toys from the '80s.

My point? Where does logic play into any of this?

Aw man, not even starscream would consider Ma-chine Wars starscream for a body; I love that figure.

You know I’m going to finally throw my name in this fight over the new combiner limb guys. A truck and a helicopter are the breaking points in the suspension of disbelief... in a world of giant robots that turn into things, for disguises, LIKE DINOSAURS! You know if you really want a breaking point...go all the way back to 1984 and watch the first season of G1. Nearly every human wore the same clothes and hard hats. Do you drive a truck? Blue jeans, yellow boots, gray shirt, and a hard hat. Work in McDonalds? Blue jeans, yellow boots, gray shirt, and a hard hat. Really??? That should have done it for you.

Now if you will excuse me I have to go put on my exo-suit transform and drive back to imagination land were the toys came from....TOYS.

SIGNED:
A VERY PROUD LARGE MAN CHILD WHO OWNS A LOT OF ACTION FIGURES (TOYS!!!!!)

P.S. ACTION FIGURES; see toys that were once designed for children that have been updated for adult children to gather dust in rooms and harken back to days of the owners youth that were happier times.

1984forever wrote:Can we stop with the Alpha Bravo crap already? He was never an original Aerialbot. Hasbro admitted he was a mistake (kind of) when they were talking about Dragstrip and Air raid being in the wrong waves.

With the exception of Alpha Bravo not having a personality, Windblade #1 was great. The writing and art were top notch. The book made me want to buy both combiners. But in the end the book is stil a failure for using bland made up characters alongside corny creations like Hot shot and Windblade.

Alpha Bravo is an Aerialbot for the new generation of transformer fans...so you're judging his character off of a few panels..bah

Coptur wrote:

1984forever wrote:Can we stop with the Alpha Bravo crap already? He was never an original Aerialbot. Hasbro admitted he was a mistake (kind of) when they were talking about Dragstrip and Air raid being in the wrong waves.

With the exception of Alpha Bravo not having a personality, Windblade #1 was great. The writing and art were top notch. The book made me want to buy both combiners. But in the end the book is stil a failure for using bland made up characters alongside corny creations like Hot shot and Windblade.

Alpha Bravo is an Aerialbot for the new generation of transformer fans...so you're judging his character off of a few panels..bah

I agree with Coptur: Alpha Bravo may not be original, but many fans today do not follow G1 to the dot, and I'm perfectly ok with that. A helicopter adds new persona to a flying team, and I like the FoC Vortex idea of boost jets with folded rotors. The toy can do it too
New characters add new elements to the lore too. Offroad, Rook, Alpha Bravo and whoever is to come for Bruticus and Computron will add new volume to the transformers as a whole, and I really like that. Don't like new characters? that's fine, we're all different. But I love new guys and gals. If there are millions of cybertronians, we have plenty of room to work with too. Not everyone needs to be the same old same old 50 or so characters.

P.S: I am a Live-action/Animated generation: I could have watched RiD and Unicron trilogy, but I didn't. Live-action hooked me, and I've now watched all the cartoons and read a ton of the comics, so I am perfectly ok with Both the old and the new. I really like IDW's direction, and I look forward for what's to come.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

P.S: I am a Live-action/Animated generation: I could have watched RiD and Unicron trilogy, but I didn't. Live-action hooked me, and I've now watched all the cartoons and read a ton of the comics, so I am perfectly ok with Both the old and the new. I really like IDW's direction, and I look forward for what's to come.

It looks like you just joined, so welcome!

I'm an old g1 guy. I've been a fan since then. Don't get me wrong, though, I pretty much have reasons to like all the iterations. I'm not a huge fan of the live-action movies (I like the first one) but I love animated. I think IDW is becoming my favorite iteration.

Optimizzy wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

P.S: I am a Live-action/Animated generation: I could have watched RiD and Unicron trilogy, but I didn't. Live-action hooked me, and I've now watched all the cartoons and read a ton of the comics, so I am perfectly ok with Both the old and the new. I really like IDW's direction, and I look forward for what's to come.

It looks like you just joined, so welcome!

I'm an old g1 guy. I've been a fan since then. Don't get me wrong, though, I pretty much have reasons to like all the iterations. I'm not a huge fan of the live-action movies (I like the first one) but I love animated. I think IDW is becoming my favorite iteration.

Thank you! Yes, I am pretty new, but I've learned a lot in my 8 years.
I do really like the movies and the style they use, even if others don't. I like them; they're new and cool. I loved animated, and its storytelling is so much like Beast Wars. Unicron trilogy is unique, and Prime had awesome CGI and storytelling and lore. I really haven't found an iteration that I did not like, but I will say IDW is one of my favorites, especially MTMTE. I respect the olds and embrace the news, and that, in my opinion, is the key to truly enjoying a brand, past, present and future.

ScottyP wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:just read it. Wow. pretty cool set up. I kinda like how religion is being handled in it. My only concern is that this religious viewpoint doesn't try to establish itself as the one true religion or something. Or the "TRUE" origin of the transformers. That happens sometimes. I like the different myths and stuff. I don't want to see too much Aligned in my IDWG1.

I'm with you on this. I think it's fantastic that they're drawing on some of that as a means to world-build their universe while using concepts that can pretty cleanly be re-used. The stuff with Caminus is so far very smart, and makes a ton of sense. Very interested to see where it keeps going!

Then again, the Aligned Universe (and the rest of them) was just created in MTMTE 38 when Perceptor disengaged the paradox locks, but maybe the 13 Primes thing predates that schism and is put in here to let us assume that the creation myth, or at least parts of it, may be "universal" throughout alternate realities/dimensions.

Actually, come to think of it, we're not supposed to think about it that hard.

Agreed. I'm a big fan of the way that the writers have been reusing good concepts from other continuities (Primus, the Thirteen) with new concepts (Primus begat Primus, the colonies, the Knights of Cybertron). I'm really eager to see where they take all of this.

In particular, I'm hoping beyond hope that they work in the coolest aspect of the Prime mythology, Unicron as Earth. I'm also hoping that some aspects of James Roberts' Eugenesis fan novel regarding the Quintessons make it into IDW continuity. I thought both of those were very bold departures from prior mythologies, and I would love to see them explored in more depth.

MrBlack wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:just read it. Wow. pretty cool set up. I kinda like how religion is being handled in it. My only concern is that this religious viewpoint doesn't try to establish itself as the one true religion or something. Or the "TRUE" origin of the transformers. That happens sometimes. I like the different myths and stuff. I don't want to see too much Aligned in my IDWG1.

I'm with you on this. I think it's fantastic that they're drawing on some of that as a means to world-build their universe while using concepts that can pretty cleanly be re-used. The stuff with Caminus is so far very smart, and makes a ton of sense. Very interested to see where it keeps going!

Then again, the Aligned Universe (and the rest of them) was just created in MTMTE 38 when Perceptor disengaged the paradox locks, but maybe the 13 Primes thing predates that schism and is put in here to let us assume that the creation myth, or at least parts of it, may be "universal" throughout alternate realities/dimensions.

Actually, come to think of it, we're not supposed to think about it that hard.

Agreed. I'm a big fan of the way that the writers have been reusing good concepts from other continuities (Primus, the Thirteen) with new concepts (Primus begat Primus, the colonies, the Knights of Cybertron). I'm really eager to see where they take all of this.

In particular, I'm hoping beyond hope that they work in the coolest aspect of the Prime mythology, Unicron as Earth. I'm also hoping that some aspects of James Roberts' Eugenesis fan novel regarding the Quintessons make it into IDW continuity. I thought both of those were very bold departures from prior mythologies, and I would love to see them explored in more depth.

I hope they don't donthe unicorn as earth thing. I hated that actually.

MrBlack wrote:In particular, I'm hoping beyond hope that they work in the coolest aspect of the Prime mythology, Unicron as Earth. I'm also hoping that some aspects of James Roberts' Eugenesis fan novel regarding the Quintessons make it into IDW continuity. I thought both of those were very bold departures from prior mythologies, and I would love to see them explored in more depth.

The problem with Unicron as Earth is that it guarantees we'll never see him transform and face off with the cybertronians in a big, epic battle because that would cause far too much destruction to the cultures of Earth.

MrBlack wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:just read it. Wow. pretty cool set up. I kinda like how religion is being handled in it. My only concern is that this religious viewpoint doesn't try to establish itself as the one true religion or something. Or the "TRUE" origin of the transformers. That happens sometimes. I like the different myths and stuff. I don't want to see too much Aligned in my IDWG1.

I'm with you on this. I think it's fantastic that they're drawing on some of that as a means to world-build their universe while using concepts that can pretty cleanly be re-used. The stuff with Caminus is so far very smart, and makes a ton of sense. Very interested to see where it keeps going!

Then again, the Aligned Universe (and the rest of them) was just created in MTMTE 38 when Perceptor disengaged the paradox locks, but maybe the 13 Primes thing predates that schism and is put in here to let us assume that the creation myth, or at least parts of it, may be "universal" throughout alternate realities/dimensions.

Actually, come to think of it, we're not supposed to think about it that hard.

Agreed. I'm a big fan of the way that the writers have been reusing good concepts from other continuities (Primus, the Thirteen) with new concepts (Primus begat Primus, the colonies, the Knights of Cybertron). I'm really eager to see where they take all of this.

In particular, I'm hoping beyond hope that they work in the coolest aspect of the Prime mythology, Unicron as Earth. I'm also hoping that some aspects of James Roberts' Eugenesis fan novel regarding the Quintessons make it into IDW continuity. I thought both of those were very bold departures from prior mythologies, and I would love to see them explored in more depth.

I'd really rather they didn't actually. It was kinda intriguing for the one time as "well, here's why the Transformers have been drawn to the planet, their Anti-Diety is here." But I refuse to accept that as Omniversal cannon and prefer to ignore it in my own headcannon, with the hope that it stays buried in Prime forever.

I'd say there's a chance for Quintessons though, given Roberts' past works making cameos. But I'm not fsmiliar with it.

That Bot wrote:

MrBlack wrote:In particular, I'm hoping beyond hope that they work in the coolest aspect of the Prime mythology, Unicron as Earth. I'm also hoping that some aspects of James Roberts' Eugenesis fan novel regarding the Quintessons make it into IDW continuity. I thought both of those were very bold departures from prior mythologies, and I would love to see them explored in more depth.

The problem with Unicron as Earth is that it guarantees we'll never see him transform and face off with the cybertronians in a big, epic battle because that would cause far too much destruction to the cultures of Earth.

I ended up liking the concept because it actually explained WHY Earth has such import to the Cybertronian race.

It's true that we would never see Earth actually transform into Unicron, but there are more than a few ways around this. We already have precedent for Unicron's essence being able to leave his physical body (the original Marvel mythology and Prime). Just have him infect another planet in an attempt to free himself.

MrBlack wrote:

That Bot wrote:

MrBlack wrote:In particular, I'm hoping beyond hope that they work in the coolest aspect of the Prime mythology, Unicron as Earth. I'm also hoping that some aspects of James Roberts' Eugenesis fan novel regarding the Quintessons make it into IDW continuity. I thought both of those were very bold departures from prior mythologies, and I would love to see them explored in more depth.

The problem with Unicron as Earth is that it guarantees we'll never see him transform and face off with the cybertronians in a big, epic battle because that would cause far too much destruction to the cultures of Earth.

I ended up liking the concept because it actually explained WHY Earth has such import to the Cybertronian race.

It's true that we would never see Earth actually transform into Unicron, but there are more than a few ways around this. We already have precedent for Unicron's essence being able to leave his physical body (the original Marvel mythology and Prime). Just have him infect another planet in an attempt to free himself.

we already have a couple of reasons Earth is important to Transformers. first, it was because Shockwave "randomly" selected it for Ore-13, AKA Ultra Energon. Then it was revealed that Shockwave sent it there because Alpha Trion just happened to be there hiding from something or other. The again it was revealed that A3 was there because the Enigma of Combination just happened to be there. And of course, who else should've sent it there other than Galvatron, who just happens to be the military commander of the Decepticons?

You know, Unicron could be Earth and have his "spiritual essence" transferred to a metal body at some point.

However, since the gods seem to be rather mythical in the IDWverse, I think the arguments is moot. Unicron will never be revealed unless it's the catalyst to some dark religion. Perhaps some zealots feel that earth represents Unicron and doesn't want anything to do with it perhaps? Unholy ground or whatever.

How much do you want to bet that the group of Autobots that Rodimus is sending to assist Prime is the members of the Protectobots?

Crosscheck wrote:How much do you want to bet that the group of Autobots that Rodimus is sending to assist Prime is the members of the Protectobots?

Has to be, though why they would want to send away one of their medics given the trouble they get into, I have no idea.

It's already been confirmed for a while that it was the protector bots, among others...