The Energon Pub

[DarkEnergon]

and he left Rewind alive on the other lost light, so it's possible he remember his old conjux endurae and let him live instead of killing him

but he would kill his brother...

Still, i'm liking the dominus theory. Think back to how much Tarn is about process, rules, regulations... just like minimus/magnus, hm?

[SW's SilverHammer]

and he left Rewind alive on the other lost light, so it's possible he remember his old conjux endurae and let him live instead of killing him

but he would kill his brother...

Still, i'm liking the dominus theory. Think back to how much Tarn is about process, rules, regulations... just like minimus/magnus, hm?

Dominus authored a work called The Ascetic Cybertronian, in which he wrote, "Pleasure is a distraction from pursuit of truth." It's never been shown if Dominus had hobbies, tarn has a few.

[DarkEnergon]

Dominus authored a work called The Ascetic Cybertronian, in which he wrote, "Pleasure is a distraction from pursuit of truth." It's never been shown if Dominus had hobbies, tarn has a few.

Quite true! Curious how Roberts has got us so interested in who Tarn is - he's just an awesome character. I can see the 'evil' version of dominus being a case of where OCD traits go so extreme they become chaotic instead of orderly, or over the top releases/compensations that get him in trouble.

[Crosscheck]

Why does it have to involve a crush? Makes it sound like IDW portraying itself as a robotic soap opera in all its titles.

If any crushes appears in "Sins of the Wreckers"...I lost all hope.

Why can't it be just Ten in child-like awe looking up to his hero? Magnus/Minimus who's simply voicing support for Ten and his rights when Ten's unable t do so himself? Would be much more plausible IMHO.

Well, when Ratchet asks Ten if he likes UM, Ten looks away and blushes. Hence, boycrush.

[ScottyP]

One error I actually noticed is nightbeat saying the Necrobot Is the oldest he's met yet he's met Alpha Trion- a thirteen-, Galvatron and nova prime. Not to mention Omega Supreme and a Titan, both of which were considered the oldest cybertronians in existence. Metroplex is believed to know the guiding hand and the Knights to which he won't speak of because the current generation is unworthy.

So back to this one.

Turns out, this is very likely not an error after all.

I decided to re-read the entire series. Not in one sitting, mind you, just slowly over the next several months. Before bed last night I noticed something in Autocracy:


This was a lightbulb-going-off moment. Nightbeat remarks on how old Censere is because he mentions "The First War", and while Censere doesn't claim to have met the Knights of Cybertron, who I was reminded by the line above pre-date the 13 Primes, he knew someone that did claim to know them. This puts him around, especially given his origin of somewhere destroyed in "The First War", right about when the 13 would come about. Nightbeat does not know Alpha Trion's age as far as we know, since this wasn't brought up during their only encounter in Spotlight: Orion Pax, and does he even know he's met Metroplex? Metroplex would have been in city mode by the time Nightbeat returned from the Dead Universe at the end of Dark Cybertron, so maybe he knows he was there but he's never shown to communicate with him.

So, in short, this is just Nightbeat talking, yes, but it's also not a mistake from his point of view, and the little line in the picture here set off a chain of events in my head that, I think, prove this assertion.

Carry on as you were now, my little stream of consciousness post is over

[alexison]

One error I actually noticed is nightbeat saying the Necrobot Is the oldest he's met yet he's met Alpha Trion- a thirteen-, Galvatron and nova prime. Not to mention Omega Supreme and a Titan, both of which were considered the oldest cybertronians in existence. Metroplex is believed to know the guiding hand and the Knights to which he won't speak of because the current generation is unworthy.

So back to this one.

Turns out, this is very likely not an error after all.

I decided to re-read the entire series. Not in one sitting, mind you, just slowly over the next several months. Before bed last night I noticed something in Autocracy:


This was a lightbulb-going-off moment. Nightbeat remarks on how old Censere is because he mentions "The First War", and while Censere doesn't claim to have met the Knights of Cybertron, who I was reminded by the line above pre-date the 13 Primes, he knew someone that did claim to know them. This puts him around, especially given his origin of somewhere destroyed in "The First War", right about when the 13 would come about. Nightbeat does not know Alpha Trion's age as far as we know, since this wasn't brought up during their only encounter in Spotlight: Orion Pax, and does he even know he's met Metroplex? Metroplex would have been in city mode by the time Nightbeat returned from the Dead Universe at the end of Dark Cybertron, so maybe he knows he was there but he's never shown to communicate with him.

So, in short, this is just Nightbeat talking, yes, but it's also not a mistake from his point of view, and the little line in the picture here set off a chain of events in my head that, I think, prove this assertion.

Carry on as you were now, my little stream of consciousness post is over

[Sagitta]

Why does it have to involve a crush? Makes it sound like IDW portraying itself as a robotic soap opera in all its titles.

If any crushes appears in "Sins of the Wreckers"...I lost all hope.

Why can't it be just Ten in child-like awe looking up to his hero? Magnus/Minimus who's simply voicing support for Ten and his rights when Ten's unable t do so himself? Would be much more plausible IMHO.

Well, when Ratchet asks Ten if he likes UM, Ten looks away and blushes. Hence, boycrush.

Not seeing that in the context really. Children who envision their heroes sometimes act in the same way. Drawing pictures, making models, that's how fans act regardless of age as well. Happens all the time. In Ten's case it's his creative outlet so to speak. Picture on wall: "I'm part of the crew." to Magnus/Minumus display: "He's my hero and considered my friend already. My best friend." Magnus stood up for Ten. Naturally Ten would be appreciative.

Translating Ten's reaction to "Do you like Ultra Magnus? Is Ultra Magnus your friend?" immediately to boycrush is a bit of an overreach. Least as far as that issue goes it seems to portray Ten as being much more an innocent at this stage, "younger" than Tailgate. And to me it just makes him more lovable.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Ten is adorable, as is the Cyclonus/Tailgate pair. there is no way around it

[SW's SilverHammer]

[King Kuuga]

It does make sence, but I like the classic concept more, but I guess that's just because I'm a Geewunner. :B

Yeah! I think it is a great breath of fresh air for Megatron to turn around for the better! It kinda reminds me of Megatron in the end of the Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Predacons Rising movie, when he kinda wanted to stop being a bad guy.

I think it's quite touching for him to consider Bumblebee as a friend after he died.

You clearly DON'T like the classic concept more, and you are about the furthest thing from a Geewunner I've ever met. Rule 1 of Seibertron: know thyself.

[Sagitta]

The panel simply shows we read the same comic and came away with differing viewpoints. However, for some the matter seems focused solely on that single panel. I'm simply referring to the entire context of the issue as a whole as well that the surrounding scene in particular.

Nitpicking on Ten's reactions aside...

It doesn't explain the "why" romance has to be dragged in to the storyline(s) of the other series of Transformers as well as Combiner Wars/Hunters in some way. There's little to no reason other than it just being "there". There's no real function or explanation. It feels forced to try and mirror societal changes in the real world. Particularly the LGBT overtones. There seems little of the male/female bonding if anyone has noticed.

Although to be honest, wasn't too keen on the G1 introductions & pairings of Ariel/Elita, Chromia, Firestar, and Moonracer with their prospective boyfriends.

I just happen to think the writers at IDW could have done much better than that.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

It really doesn't feel forced to me. It's just there, and I am very ok with how the writers are doing things right now.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

Aww it's the Groot of Transformers.

It does make sence, but I like the classic concept more, but I guess that's just because I'm a Geewunner. :B

Yeah! I think it is a great breath of fresh air for Megatron to turn around for the better! It kinda reminds me of Megatron in the end of the Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Predacons Rising movie, when he kinda wanted to stop being a bad guy.

I think it's quite touching for him to consider Bumblebee as a friend after he died.

You clearly DON'T like the classic concept more, and you are about the furthest thing from a Geewunner I've ever met. Rule 1 of Seibertron: know thyself.

I got a bit mad at first, but it was such a touching concept I can't be mad anymore about that particular thing. Also, I said I was a CROSS between "G1 Fan" and "Geenunner". I am quite a Geewunner at times, but if they do something brilliant with a character or idea, I let it slide. I still don't like Ultra Magnus being dead.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

oops double post.

[Rodimus Prime]

I gotta start reading this series...Is this series getting better or worse as it goes on?

[SW's SilverHammer]

I gotta start reading this series...Is this series getting better or worse as it goes on?

it depends who you ask. I think it's pretty good. But you know me, i'm pretty up my own ass.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

I gotta start reading this series...Is this series getting better or worse as it goes on?

it depends who you ask. I think it's pretty good. But you know me, i'm pretty up my own ass.

That sounds nasty.

[SW's SilverHammer]

Well here's the thing, MTMTE is allot like Bioshock. Both are pretentious for their own benefit. They both come and go in and out of its own respective butt the whole way through. It also seems the closer we come to the climax/ending it's reaching the point of maximum "own butt" penetration. Both series wallow in abstract meta-narrative that doesn't really serve the essential plot. Both heavily fan wank to their audience. However to quote zero punctuation; If it isn't boring and gives us something to talk about then it can't be bad. MTMTE isn't bad; it's good, perhaps even great. "You see, sometimes it's kinda nice to be up somebody's butt if it's cosy and warm and they've put some interesting conversation pieces up there."

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I gotta start reading this series...Is this series getting better or worse as it goes on?

In my opinion, it is a very good and well done series. I love it. it is my favorite comic book series of all time even! I'd give it a good whirl (pun intended)

[DedicatedGhostArt]

Well here's the thing, MTMTE is allot like Bioshock. Both are pretentious for their own benefit. They both come and go in and out of its own respective butt the whole way through. It also seems the closer we come to the climax/ending it's reaching the point of maximum "own butt" penetration. Both series wallow in abstract meta-narrative that doesn't really serve the essential plot. Both heavily fan wank to their audience. However to quote zero punctuation; If it isn't boring and gives us something to talk about then it can't be bad. MTMTE isn't bad; it's good, perhaps even great. "You see, sometimes it's kinda nice to be up somebody's butt if it's cosy and warm and they've put some interesting conversation pieces up there."

Soooo... apparently you have an addiction of talking about butts...

[SW's SilverHammer]

Well here's the thing, MTMTE is allot like Bioshock. Both are pretentious for their own benefit. They both come and go in and out of its own respective butt the whole way through. It also seems the closer we come to the climax/ending it's reaching the point of maximum "own butt" penetration. Both series wallow in abstract meta-narrative that doesn't really serve the essential plot. Both heavily fan wank to their audience. However to quote zero punctuation; If it isn't boring and gives us something to talk about then it can't be bad. MTMTE isn't bad; it's good, perhaps even great. "You see, sometimes it's kinda nice to be up somebody's butt if it's cosy and warm and they've put some interesting conversation pieces up there."

Soooo... apparently you have an addiction of talking about butts...

See entry: "My Avatar".

[MrBlack]

Well here's the thing, MTMTE is allot like Bioshock. Both are pretentious for their own benefit. They both come and go in and out of its own respective butt the whole way through. It also seems the closer we come to the climax/ending it's reaching the point of maximum "own butt" penetration. Both series wallow in abstract meta-narrative that doesn't really serve the essential plot. Both heavily fan wank to their audience. However to quote zero punctuation; If it isn't boring and gives us something to talk about then it can't be bad. MTMTE isn't bad; it's good, perhaps even great. "You see, sometimes it's kinda nice to be up somebody's butt if it's cosy and warm and they've put some interesting conversation pieces up there."

I have some issue with calling it pretentious. James Roberts certainly is trying to be clever with the story, but he's perfectly willing to mock his own attempts at cleverness both in and out of the story. The self-importance I usually associate with pretentiousness just isn't there. At the very least, the fact that Roberts tends towards self-deprecation allows me to handle the pretentiousness better.

As for failing to serve the essential plot, I think that criticism misses the point of what the story is about. It's never been about finding the Knights. The quest itself is just a vehicle through which to explore the characters and their relationships. Roberts has done a pretty decent job of keeping the book on track in terms of having the characters trying to reach their goal, but the story is really about the crew rather than the quest. The characters themselves said as much in #22.

To answer the original question, I do think this is good. It lost a bit of steam in the wake of Dark Cybertron, but things have picked up in the last few issues. I definitely think it and the other current ongoings are worth reading.

[SW's SilverHammer]

I have some issue with calling it pretentious. James Roberts certainly is trying to be clever with the story, but he's perfectly willing to mock his own attempts at cleverness both in and out of the story. The self-importance I usually associate with pretentiousness just isn't there. At the very least, the fact that Roberts tends towards self-deprecation allows me to handle the pretentiousness better.

As for failing to serve the essential plot, I think that criticism misses the point of what the story is about. It's never been about finding the Knights. The quest itself is just a vehicle through which to explore the characters and their relationships. Roberts has done a pretty decent job of keeping the book on track in terms of having the characters trying to reach their goal, but the story is really about the crew rather than the quest. The characters themselves said as much in #22.

Well I mean, I think there's a certain amount of pretension needed to do some of these things Roberts does, I don't think that's a bad thing. I think that in most literary works, theres a certain amount there, but it's up too the author to rein that in, or alternatively refine and direct that in someway. I think roberts knows how to direct it, and is self aware enough to handle it. Also, I never said the abstract meta narrative it's bad, in fact I like it. I just don't think all of it really serves the plot, or character studies. But even then, even if it doesn't, it doesn't mean that it isn't well written, or interesting.

[King Kuuga]

I got a bit mad at first, but it was such a touching concept I can't be mad anymore about that particular thing. Also, I said I was a CROSS between "G1 Fan" and "Geenunner". I am quite a Geewunner at times, but if they do something brilliant with a character or idea, I let it slide. I still don't like Ultra Magnus being dead.

Disliking certain alternative interpretations does not make you a geewunner. Minimus Ambus is a radical departure from the classic Magnus concept and of course not everybody's going to like that. It doesn't make those people geewunners. Nobody self-identifies as a geewunner, to do so is to grossly misunderstand the connotations of the term. We have a few geewunners on this board, and they are readily apparent through their attitudes towards everything that isn't G1. You are not one of those people.

As far as pretentiousness of writing goes, I haven't found MTMTE to be particularly so, it's more the fans that are all "OMG THIS IS THE GREATEST TRANSFORMERS THING EVER WRITTEN PRAISE ROBERTS" and the people that are more "this is pointless drivel, Roberts is too self-centered to realize he's a bad writer."

(yes this post is EXTREMELY late, I fell behind on my board reading because of real life stuff and am slowly catching up)

[DedicatedGhostArt]

I got a bit mad at first, but it was such a touching concept I can't be mad anymore about that particular thing. Also, I said I was a CROSS between "G1 Fan" and "Geenunner". I am quite a Geewunner at times, but if they do something brilliant with a character or idea, I let it slide. I still don't like Ultra Magnus being dead.

Disliking certain alternative interpretations does not make you a geewunner. Minimus Ambus is a radical departure from the classic Magnus concept and of course not everybody's going to like that. It doesn't make those people geewunners. Nobody self-identifies as a geewunner, to do so is to grossly misunderstand the connotations of the term. We have a few geewunners on this board, and they are readily apparent through their attitudes towards everything that isn't G1. You are not one of those people.

As far as pretentiousness of writing goes, I haven't found MTMTE to be particularly so, it's more the fans that are all "OMG THIS IS THE GREATEST TRANSFORMERS THING EVER WRITTEN PRAISE ROBERTS" and the people that are more "this is pointless drivel, Roberts is too self-centered to realize he's a bad writer."

(yes this post is EXTREMELY late, I fell behind on my board reading because of real life stuff and am slowly catching up)

Yeah it's pretty obvious Optibotimus is a Geewunner, and it gets a bit annoying. HE TURNS THE LEGS AROUND ON HIS CW FIGURES JUST LIKE THIS JUST TO BE MORE G1:


That just looks absurd. I'd rather have a better looking leg with more articulation, than g1 accuracy. That's one of my biggest pet peeves, when someone does that. I guess I'm not a Geewunner then, which is good, because now I have an excuse to like other stuff. I am a g1 fan still, which is why I love the UW Devastator color scheme more than the Hasbro version, cuz it's more g1 accurate.
In fact, Optibotimus probably should've transformed Dragstrip into THIS more "g1 accurate" arm mode:


(pictures by me)