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There is more to Transformers than movies, cartoons, comics and toys. Discuss anything else Transformers here.

Postby Thanatos Prime » Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:01 pm

bookofjunon wrote:
Thanatos Prime wrote:Screw the whole developed character thing, it comes down to this:

Rodimus is a Winnebago

Wheelie is not

Wheelie is therefore cooler than Rodimus Prime.

End of arguement.


You forgot to add in FLAMING just before Winnebago.


I seriously thought about it but figured that just plain Winnebago got the point across.

Rodimus Prime is the worst Transformer ever. Ever...
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Postby bookofjunon » Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:49 pm

Thanatos Prime wrote:
bookofjunon wrote:
Thanatos Prime wrote:Screw the whole developed character thing, it comes down to this:

Rodimus is a Winnebago

Wheelie is not

Wheelie is therefore cooler than Rodimus Prime.

End of arguement.


You forgot to add in FLAMING just before Winnebago.


I seriously thought about it but figured that just plain Winnebago got the point across.

Rodimus Prime is the worst Transformer ever. Ever...


LOL, awesome.
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Rodimus is the one and only leader after OPTIMUS

Postby judge » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:53 pm

Come on all you sad excuses, for no acceptance in the world - the fact is Optimus is dead, and Rodimus is the Chosen One,

the winebago remark has gotta be the most stupid unintelligible remark to ever surface this post

So stop your poor pathetic whiny attitudes and face the fact, that Rodimus is there to stay and he is the One

"Rodimus Prime is like no other Autobot that came before him. He is unique and there never will be another Rodimus Prime. He was formerly known as Hot Rod, a smart mouth punk among the Autobots. But he was destined to be something more, something better. He was the chosen one, the "Autobot who would rise from our ranks and use the power of the Matrix to light our darkest hour." Rodimus did just that and went on to be leader of the Autobots after the great Optimus Prime passed on. He would always live in Optimus' shadow though. Eventually he would have to step down for Optimus' return. He wasn't like Optimus in many ways. He didn't always have full confidence in himself and he often turned to his advisors for help. He was a character who didn't always believe he could do things, but when he had confidence he could do anything. He was a great role model for young kids and taught them that if they put their mind to it, they could do anything." http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... D=81731853









What the hell is the point of having a character that has no flaws, and is completely honest, that is a lie, Sure Optimus was the Greatest Autobot of his Generation, But All Good things must come to an end, All things Must Pass.



Rodimus Prime had depth and Intrigue, he was crude, He represented the Raw and un-channeled Potential and Power within us all, the Ability to RISE UP FROM OUR RANKS, and to defeat even the greatest ODDS ("you can never give up when your backs to the wall...),


We cannot just spend our whole lives waiting for our saviour, or Standing Behind the Protection of our leaders, soon we have to Make our own choices, and Stand up FOR OURSELVES.


HotROD knew no fear



The only reason he was perceived so negatively is the fact that hasbro couldn't sell the toys, based on the fact that people could just not accept that Optimus is dead. The writers had to change their act quick smart, Instead of the truth, we were given nothing But lies as they episode by episode wrote down Rodimus as a character, and then Finally in the most incredibly lame fashion , Revived Optimus Prime in the episodes "The Return of Optimus Prime", we'll what happened then, apart from the Headmaster episodes we know of, It was the final nail in the coffin for the cartoon, At least in the western Part of the world.



The power of the chosen one was messed with and it is the end of the TV series, well looks like they should have focussed on making a Real attempt, well deservant of the New Leadership and wrote the heroics that Rodimus Prime deserves, and is known for. Anyone who disagrees, is only kidding themselves.




Rodimus Prime was the chosen one, Optimus Prime's time came to an end, and off all the sad sack excuse for Autobots, Rodimus was the only one with true fearlessness and courage, Not to mention and element of Rebelliousness and the Dark side.



No one gave him a chance, I'm sure the autobot Orion Pax was a weakling as seen in the cartoon...Optimus Prime didn't just become Optimus Prime overnight, He had millions of years.

Well tough his time was great and Its over Let the New Leader shine!

To the power of the Matrix, to Rodimus defeater of Unicron and Galvatron, Defender of the Universe. Peacemaker.
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Re: Rodimus is the one and only leader after OPTIMUS

Postby bookofjunon » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:17 am

judge wrote:Come on all you sad excuses, for no acceptance in the world - the fact is Optimus is dead, and Rodimus is the Chosen One,

the winebago remark has gotta be the most stupid unintelligible remark to ever surface this post

So stop your poor pathetic whiny attitudes and face the fact, that Rodimus is there to stay and he is the One

"Rodimus Prime is like no other Autobot that came before him. He is unique and there never will be another Rodimus Prime. He was formerly known as Hot Rod, a smart mouth punk among the Autobots. But he was destined to be something more, something better. He was the chosen one, the "Autobot who would rise from our ranks and use the power of the Matrix to light our darkest hour." Rodimus did just that and went on to be leader of the Autobots after the great Optimus Prime passed on. He would always live in Optimus' shadow though. Eventually he would have to step down for Optimus' return. He wasn't like Optimus in many ways. He didn't always have full confidence in himself and he often turned to his advisors for help. He was a character who didn't always believe he could do things, but when he had confidence he could do anything. He was a great role model for young kids and taught them that if they put their mind to it, they could do anything." http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... D=81731853









What the hell is the point of having a character that has no flaws, and is completely honest, that is a lie, Sure Optimus was the Greatest Autobot of his Generation, But All Good things must come to an end, All things Must Pass.



Rodimus Prime had depth and Intrigue, he was crude, He represented the Raw and un-channeled Potential and Power within us all, the Ability to RISE UP FROM OUR RANKS, and to defeat even the greatest ODDS ("you can never give up when your backs to the wall...),


We cannot just spend our whole lives waiting for our saviour, or Standing Behind the Protection of our leaders, soon we have to Make our own choices, and Stand up FOR OURSELVES.


HotROD knew no fear



The only reason he was perceived so negatively is the fact that hasbro couldn't sell the toys, based on the fact that people could just not accept that Optimus is dead. The writers had to change their act quick smart, Instead of the truth, we were given nothing But lies as they episode by episode wrote down Rodimus as a character, and then Finally in the most incredibly lame fashion , Revived Optimus Prime in the episodes "The Return of Optimus Prime", we'll what happened then, apart from the Headmaster episodes we know of, It was the final nail in the coffin for the cartoon, At least in the western Part of the world.



The power of the chosen one was messed with and it is the end of the TV series, well looks like they should have focussed on making a Real attempt, well deservant of the New Leadership and wrote the heroics that Rodimus Prime deserves, and is known for. Anyone who disagrees, is only kidding themselves.




Rodimus Prime was the chosen one, Optimus Prime's time came to an end, and off all the sad sack excuse for Autobots, Rodimus was the only one with true fearlessness and courage, Not to mention and element of Rebelliousness and the Dark side.



No one gave him a chance, I'm sure the autobot Orion Pax was a weakling as seen in the cartoon...Optimus Prime didn't just become Optimus Prime overnight, He had millions of years.

Well tough his time was great and Its over Let the New Leader shine!

To the power of the Matrix, to Rodimus defeater of Unicron and Galvatron, Defender of the Universe. Peacemaker.


I'm just gonna take a stab in the dark, but I guess your a winnebego fan aren't ya???

LOL.

Rodimus was a horrible leader. He continually screwed up, was responsible for the death of Optimus and by far one of the if not the worst Transformer in the history of Transformers.

He makes Wheelie look cool. Hell, he makes Daniel look cool.
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Re: Rodimus is the one and only leader after OPTIMUS

Postby Tekka » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:25 am

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bookofjunon wrote:Hell, he makes Daniel look cool.

That is just completely untrue and a step too far! As bad as Rod is, surely nothing in the TF universe can make Daniel look cool. :shock:
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Re: Rodimus is the one and only leader after OPTIMUS

Postby heroic_decepticon » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:32 am

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judge wrote:"Rodimus Prime is like no other Autobot that came before him. He is unique and there never will be another Rodimus Prime.

And hopefully there really will never be another like him.

Key words highlighted.
judge wrote:He was formerly known as Hot Rod, a smart mouth punk among the Autobots. But he was destined to be something more, something better. He was the chosen one, the "Autobot who would rise from our ranks and use the power of the Matrix to light our darkest hour." Rodimus did just that and went on to be leader of the Autobots after the great Optimus Prime passed on. He would always live in Optimus' shadow though. Eventually he would have to step down for Optimus' return. He wasn't like Optimus in many ways. He didn't always have full confidence in himself and he often turned to his advisors for help. He was a character who didn't always believe he could do things, but when he had confidence he could do anything. He was a great role model for young kids and taught them that if they put their mind to it, they could do anything." http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... D=81731853

What the hell is the point of having a character that has no flaws, and is completely honest, that is a lie, Sure Optimus was the Greatest Autobot of his Generation, But All Good things must come to an end, All things Must Pass.

Rodimus Prime had depth and Intrigue, he was crude, He represented the Raw and un-channeled Potential and Power within us all, the Ability to RISE UP FROM OUR RANKS, and to defeat even the greatest ODDS ("you can never give up when your backs to the wall...),


judge wrote:The power of the chosen one was messed with and it is the end of the TV series, well looks like they should have focussed on making a Real attempt, well deservant of the New Leadership and wrote the heroics that Rodimus Prime deserves, and is known for. Anyone who disagrees, is only kidding themselves.

Does not sound right.

judge wrote:No one gave him a chance, I'm sure the autobot Orion Pax was a weakling as seen in the cartoon...Optimus Prime didn't just become Optimus Prime overnight, He had millions of years.

I think Roddy has had plenty of chances, and blew it.
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Re: Rodimus is the one and only leader after OPTIMUS

Postby Deadpool. » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:49 am

judge wrote:No one gave him a chance, I'm sure the autobot Orion Pax was a weakling as seen in the cartoon...Optimus Prime didn't just become Optimus Prime overnight, He had millions of years.

To the power of the Matrix, to Rodimus defeater of Unicron and Galvatron, Defender of the Universe. Peacemaker.
I said it on the blog, and I'll say it here.

Fact: Orion Pax became Optimus Prime overnight. Ref: G1 Season2 "War Dawn".

Fact: Unicron wasn't defeated. He was certainly still alive. Ref: "Grimlock's New Brain", "Ghost in the Machine"
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Re: Rodimus is the one and only leader after OPTIMUS

Postby Leonardo » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:55 am

Deadpool. wrote:
judge wrote:No one gave him a chance, I'm sure the autobot Orion Pax was a weakling as seen in the cartoon...Optimus Prime didn't just become Optimus Prime overnight, He had millions of years.

To the power of the Matrix, to Rodimus defeater of Unicron and Galvatron, Defender of the Universe. Peacemaker.
I said it on the blog, and I'll say it here.

Fact: Orion Pax became Optimus Prime overnight. Ref: G1 Season2 "War Dawn".


I don't recall seeing Optimus Prime being the leader he's famous for immediately after his transition from Orion Pax, though.
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Re: Rodimus is the one and only leader after OPTIMUS

Postby bookofjunon » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:21 am

Leonardo wrote:
Deadpool. wrote:
judge wrote:No one gave him a chance, I'm sure the autobot Orion Pax was a weakling as seen in the cartoon...Optimus Prime didn't just become Optimus Prime overnight, He had millions of years.

To the power of the Matrix, to Rodimus defeater of Unicron and Galvatron, Defender of the Universe. Peacemaker.
I said it on the blog, and I'll say it here.

Fact: Orion Pax became Optimus Prime overnight. Ref: G1 Season2 "War Dawn".


I don't recall seeing Optimus Prime being the leader he's famous for immediately after his transition from Orion Pax, though.


Well since we never never saw what happened immediately after we won't know now will we? But I'll wager he did a helluva lot better than Roddy Roddy Retard did.
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Re: Rodimus is the one and only leader after OPTIMUS

Postby Thanatos Prime » Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:37 pm

judge wrote:Stuff


If you were to read the comic stories, you'd know that Rodimus was only a temporary solution for the Matrix. Optimus wasn't supposed to die, Thunderwing was meant to recieve the Matrix from Optimus.

I've seen fan-stories where millions of years after Optimus dies and perhaps even another Prime, Rodimus is in command and is actually pretty cool.
And you know who he acts like? Optimus Prime. He doesn't sit and moan about how to make a desicion, he goes with his gut because in war you can't call a time out and sit and think about things all the time.

Rodimus Prime needed someone to kick him in the ass and yell "Suck it up and grow a pair."

That's why Rodimus Prime sucks.

That and he's still a flamming winnebago, the lamest alt mode ever...
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Postby judge » Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:56 pm

Rodimus Prime is The chosen One accept it! you just can't
accept it!, well too bad, not my fault that you hold on to hopeless dreams, and are a normal sheep in the flock.

One who will never be able to stand on his own feet and will always rely on others to save him. this is the path of teh follower and this is what the answer is to my original question,

Face it you know Rodimus is the True Leader selected by Optimus Prime himself, Optimus died cause he couldn't finsh megatron enough, he died cause megatron fights dirty, they have battled many times before, and what because this is a movie he can now die? BullS##T all of a sudden autobots die from a single shot,

Prime had a million chances to kill megatron, and i guess he blew it. Don't put the blame on Rodimus or Hotrod for stepping up, getting sick of prime not killing Megs and at least tried to do it himself. And eventually kicks Galvatrons Ass into Madness.


It was Optimus time to end, he chose Rodimus, magnus wasnt the one huh!!! Optimus knew from teh start that Hotrod was destined for greater things...
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Postby Thanatos Prime » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:18 pm

I refuse to argue, I've said my peice and I stand by it.

"I think Rodimus Prime is the worst character ever for the culmination of him having a weak personality, no charisma and should have been a third string character right alongside Gears or Ramjet. Not the Supreme Commander of the Autobot forces."

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.


On a side note: 4000 posts!! WOOHOO!! :P
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Postby judge » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:34 pm

In this discussion and others I honestly believe the comic means absolutely nothing, there is just too many different publishers and too many biased writers, they quite frankly wouldn't know how to write a real story.

The cartoon, and in some cases the toys are the only true form of Genration 1 transformers, the comics merely are for clingers on, people who hope for the best....

too bad.
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Postby Deadpool. » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:51 pm

judge wrote:Face it you know Rodimus is the True Leader selected by Optimus Prime himself, Optimus died cause he couldn't finsh megatron enough, he died cause megatron fights dirty, they have battled many times before, and what because this is a movie he can now die? BullS##T all of a sudden autobots die from a single shot,

Prime had a million chances to kill megatron, and i guess he blew it. Don't put the blame on Rodimus or Hotrod for stepping up, getting sick of prime not killing Megs and at least tried to do it himself. And eventually kicks Galvatrons Ass into Madness.


It was Optimus time to end, he chose Rodimus, magnus wasnt the one huh!!! Optimus knew from teh start that Hotrod was destined for greater things...
You sure your brain's functioning properly?

Firstly, Optimus chose ULTRA MAGNUS. He didn't choose Hot Rod.

Secondly, he could have fired at Megatron, if that hotheaded half-brained Hot Rod didn't interfere. Besides, Megatron ALWAYS fights dirty.

Thirdly, Rodimus didn't kick "Galvatron's ass into madness". Galvatron went mad because of spending years soaking in a lava pit.... And Rodimus didn't particularly kick his ass either.

Fourthly, if you keep insisting on your own points as being the only sacred truth, I don't see why you wantto discuss it anyway.
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Postby Damolisher » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:55 pm

judge wrote:In this discussion and others I honestly believe the comic means absolutely nothing, there is just too many different publishers and too many biased writers, they quite frankly wouldn't know how to write a real story.

The cartoon, and in some cases the toys are the only true form of Genration 1 transformers, the comics merely are for clingers on, people who hope for the best....

too bad.


OK, after reading your posts, I have to ask you this:


What the hell are you smoking?
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Postby zatara1701 » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:11 pm

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~Windcharger~ wrote:Winnebagos are awesome!


The ONLY Winnebago I ever saw as awesome was the EM-50 on Stripes...

Come to think of it...THAT should be a Transformer. Think about it, kick-ass vehicle mode with rockets launchers, machine guns, and flame throwers. We can just name him "Stripes" to boot.

His back story could be he was the final version, developed after the Winger and Russell's mishap in Czechoslovakia. Sector-7 uses the power of the Allspark on the EM-50 and TA-DA..."Stripes" is born!!!

Damn that would be cool...sometimes I amaze myself. Now that is a kickass Winnebago!!!

NOW...to the topic at hand. Here is my two cents:

Wheelie: the toy= SUCKED!
the character= annoying, but essential back in the day

Rodimus: the toy= LAME...
the character= never cared, I just wanted Optimus back.

PS- Hmmmmmm....might need to kitbash "Stripes" from new animated figure...hehehe
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Postby Jazzz » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:43 pm

Wheelie is just an annoying side character. Though I havent seen Headmasters, I think Wheelie isnt as annoying(no rhymes, comedy relief)
Rodimus is the main character. He did some good stuff to make up for "it".
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Postby judge » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:45 pm

Those who don't argue have given up cause they know deep down that they are wong, and Rodimus IS RIGHT!

Shame cause Optimus did choose Rodimus,
cause the Matrix Only opened for him, and there are several other indicators too.

And the fact is dirty or not Optimus had two seasons to kill Megatron, But didn't

Hot rod didnt get in the way thats just your lame excuse, to cover up for the fact that prime would have not killed megatron anyway,.....
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Postby Deadpool. » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:52 pm

judge wrote:Those who don't argue have given up cause they know deep down that they are wong, and Rodimus IS RIGHT!

Shame cause Optimus did choose Rodimus,
cause the Matrix Only opened for him, and there are several other indicators too.

And the fact is dirty or not Optimus had two seasons to kill Megatron, But didn't

Hot rod didnt get in the way thats just your lame excuse, to cover up for the fact that prime would have not killed megatron anyway,.....
Oh rly?

Well, Prime WAS pointing something called a gun at him, but Roddie happily let Megatron take him as a hostage. And what? Prime couldn't risk shooting, as he could have accidentally blown HotRod's empty head off.

And Rodimus had 1 whole season to kill Galvatron, but he didn't either. And if you don't believe that Hot Rod got in the way, I suggest that you watch the 1980s TF Movie again, because that's what is shown there.

And the Matrix chose Rodimus. It's not Optimus who chose him.
Remember this line "Ultra Magnus, it is to you, that i shall pass the Matrix of Leadership, as it was passed to me."?
It's in the Movie too.

And it's not a "Lame excuse". I supported all my points with facts and references, whereas yours are just based on mental biasness.
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Postby heroic_decepticon » Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:33 am

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Postby Deadpool. » Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:07 am

heroic_decepticon wrote:All I want to say is in my new sig... heh
Lolz.
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Postby Leonardo » Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:23 am

I think it's quite clear from the animated movie that Hot Rod compromised Optimus Prime's position in the fight with Megatron. I still don't see how we can draw reasonable comparisons between Optimus and Rodimus, though, given that there's no evidence to suggest Optimus was any better than Rodimus during his first year[s] as leader. Comparing a leader who has been in the saddle for years and has more experience, knowledge, wisdom, etc. to one who has only just started doesn't seem very fair.
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Postby waaaaghlord » Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:47 am

judge wrote:In this discussion and others I honestly believe the comic means absolutely nothing, there is just too many different publishers and too many biased writers, they quite frankly wouldn't know how to write a real story.

The cartoon, and in some cases the toys are the only true form of Genration 1 transformers, the comics merely are for clingers on, people who hope for the best....

too bad.


You really won't last all that long around here with that attitude, and claiming that anything is the 'true' G1 is a not about to go down well.

Let's look at the cartoons where Rodimus was apparently the 'Chosen One'. These would be the same cartoons where he spent one season in command of the Autobots before being succeeded by Optimus Prime (Return of Optimus Prime), Fortress Maximus(Headmasters), Metalhawk (Masterforce), Star Sabre (Victory), Dai Atlas (Zone) and Star Convoy (Battlestars, not a cartoon but in the cartoon continuity). So by your 'true' G1 Rodimus aqctually only spent a few years at most as Autobot leader and was one of many.

Compare that to the comic continuities that you discount out of hand (and for the most part that have been FAR better written than the half hour toy commercials of the 80s). The UK Marvel continuity is about the only place in official TF fiction that Rodimus stayed in command of the Autobots. In the 'future' (2005 onwards) story arcs the events of the movie have occured (the only part of the cartoon continuity that was adopted by the comics at all) and Rodimus goes on to defeat Unicron again imprisoning him in the Matrix, get possessed by Unicron, overpower that possession but end up suffering from a wasting desease as a result and still be in charge for the UK annual story Peace where the last Decepticon is finally put to rest (only for a new civil war to errupt).

To back up your argument on Rodimus you really need to adopt the comics as this was the only place that he was ever written the way that you seem to picture him. Except that you've already made your feelings on the comics (which I presume you've never taken the time to read properly from your comments) perfectly clear and lost any credability that you may have had in making such an argument.

And since everyone else has been too busy slamming you to offer the official greeting,

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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:23 am

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judge wrote:Rodimus Prime had depth and Intrigue, he was crude, He represented the Raw and un-channeled Potential and Power within us all, the Ability to RISE UP FROM OUR RANKS, and to defeat even the greatest ODDS ("you can never give up when your backs to the wall...),



Rodimus Prime had depth and Intrigue???????Not in the cartoon.His character was not well written nor was it very consistant.In some episodes he was brave and willing to fight and in others he was willing to just give every thing up.Even the Matrix.We could never really get a good feel for just who his character was.


judge wrote:The only reason he was perceived so negatively is the fact that hasbro couldn't sell the toys, based on the fact that people could just not accept that Optimus is dead. The writers had to change their act quick smart, Instead of the truth, we were given nothing But lies as they episode by episode wrote down Rodimus as a character, and then Finally in the most incredibly lame fashion , Revived Optimus Prime in the episodes "The Return of Optimus Prime", we'll what happened then, apart from the Headmaster episodes we know of, It was the final nail in the coffin for the cartoon, At least in the western Part of the world.


Rodimus was perceived negatively because of bad writting.....poorly thought out scripts and inconsistant character protraial.

We see the character in the movie turn into the new leader, one that seems very confedent in the last few scenes of the film.

Next we see him in the first 5 episodes of seacon 3 [Five Faces of Darknes] acting a little unsure of himself but by the end of that story arc seems more confortable with his role as leader.

2 episodes later hes back as an unsure leader and willing to give up the tital in "Dark Awakening" but again by the end of the story he's back to being a strong leader.

He's character is fairly consistant as a compadent leader for the next 11 episodes till "The Ultimate Weapon" where he's full of doubt and speeking about quiting again....and again by the end of the episode he's back to being a again a strong leader thats sure of himself.

The next 6 episodes he's seems to be comfertable in his role but in "The Burden Hardest to Bear" he's back to crying about why he has to be the leader and even lets the Decepticon keep the Matrix and true to form by the end of the episode he again regains his faith in his leadership abilitys.

Rodimus is ok in the next episode but the one after that one "The Return of Optimus Prime" he is again whinning about being the leader by Optimus's statue.

The main reason he is so disliked has more to do with how his character was written and not that people couldnt let Optimes go.

judge wrote:The power of the chosen one was messed with and it is the end of the TV series, well looks like they should have focussed on making a Real attempt, well deservant of the New Leadership and wrote the heroics that Rodimus Prime deserves, and is known for. Anyone who disagrees, is only kidding themselves.


You may be right about that......they should have made a better attempt with Rodimus's character.His character was fairly well written in the G1 marvel U.K. comic books.


judge wrote:No one gave him a chance, I'm sure the autobot Orion Pax was a weakling as seen in the cartoon...Optimus Prime didn't just become Optimus Prime overnight, He had millions of years.


He had all of season 3 as a chance and he failed.The fact that his character is well liked from his comic book interpatation is proof of this.

judge wrote:Face it you know Rodimus is the True Leader selected by Optimus Prime himself,


The Matrix selected Hot Rod not Optimus.

judge wrote:Optimus knew from teh start that Hotrod was destined for greater things...


Where do you get that idea?The only thing he said to Hot Rod before the matrix changed him was "Get out of the way Hot Rod"

judge wrote:In this discussion and others I honestly believe the comic means absolutely nothing, there is just too many different publishers and too many biased writers, they quite frankly wouldn't know how to write a real story.


Interesting to see you say that because the comics were the only place that Rodimus was ever written in the way you view him.
Also it was comic books where Transformers made its first no-toy apperance and it was comic book writters that wrote the intire back story on the Transformers universe as well as all of the Tec Spec bio's that were on all of the toy box'es of the first 4 years of the toyline.

judge wrote:The cartoon, and in some cases the toys are the only true form of Genration 1 transformers,


With out the comic book writters none of the characters you know and love incluiding Rodimus Prime would be the same.

judge wrote:Shame cause Optimus did choose Rodimus,
cause the Matrix Only opened for him, and there are several other indicators too.


Can you site some of those indicators that show it was Optimus and not the Matrix that choose Rodimus?

judge wrote:And the fact is dirty or not Optimus had two seasons to kill Megatron, But didn't

And Rodimus had a full season to grow up and be a leader but he didnt.It was so bad that they had to bring Optimus back to life just to save everyone with something Rodimus had in his chest.How incompadent is that?

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Postby bookofjunon » Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:40 am

judge wrote:Those who don't argue have given up cause they know deep down that they are wong, and Rodimus IS RIGHT!

Shame cause Optimus did choose Rodimus,
cause the Matrix Only opened for him, and there are several other indicators too.

And the fact is dirty or not Optimus had two seasons to kill Megatron, But didn't

Hot rod didnt get in the way thats just your lame excuse, to cover up for the fact that prime would have not killed megatron anyway,.....


4 posts on the boards and everyone of them are insulting and inflamatory to the others. Way to make an impression. I can see you'll be here a long time with that attitude.

Optimus chose Ultra Magnus - THAT IS A FACT DUDE.

Optimus couldn't finish off Megatron because lametard got in the way - THAT IS A FACT DUDE.

The cartoon is not the be all and end all of G1 - THAT IS A FACT DUDE.

You are an uniformed cartoon fan - THAT IS A FACT DUDE.
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