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cotss2012 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Don't forget "Crisscross"

Nah, too many humans in that one.

Jack, his mom, Fowler, and Silas are all that matter (and three of those four are great characters). The rest of the soldiers are just fodder.

SlyTF1 wrote:While that racing episode with nothing but humans, and the Autobots spared that one kid,

Oh, gimme a break, Sly. You're still butthurt over them not killing a measly bully? Not even Movie Optimus would do something that petty. What next, you want to go killing litter-bugs too?

Sabrblade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:While that racing episode with nothing but humans, and the Autobots spared that one kid,

Oh, gimme a break, Sly. You're still butthurt over them not killing a measly bully?

Not really. But it's still annoys me. And that episode is still crap IMO.

Not even Movie Optimus would do something that petty. What next, you want to go killing litter-bugs too?

That's what they did in Animated...kind of...

SlyTF1 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:While that racing episode with nothing but humans, and the Autobots spared that one kid,

Oh, gimme a break, Sly. You're still butthurt over them not killing a measly bully?

Not really. But it's still annoys me.

There's something seriously wrong with thinking that the solution for bully problems is murder.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Not even Movie Optimus would do something that petty. What next, you want to go killing litter-bugs too?

That's what they did in Animated...kind of...

The Animated Autobots never killed anyone. Directly, even.

Sabrblade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:While that racing episode with nothing but humans, and the Autobots spared that one kid,

Oh, gimme a break, Sly. You're still butthurt over them not killing a measly bully?

Not really. But it's still annoys me.

There's something seriously wrong with thinking that the solution for bully problems is murder.

That's not murder! It's letting a bunch of giant alien robots use some guy as a test subject.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Not even Movie Optimus would do something that petty. What next, you want to go killing litter-bugs too?

That's what they did in Animated...kind of...

The Animated Autobots never killed anyone. Directly, even.[/quote]

Which is why I said "...kind of..."

SlyTF1 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:While that racing episode with nothing but humans, and the Autobots spared that one kid,

Oh, gimme a break, Sly. You're still butthurt over them not killing a measly bully?

Not really. But it's still annoys me.

There's something seriously wrong with thinking that the solution for bully problems is murder.

That's not murder! It's letting a bunch of giant alien robots use some guy as a test subject.

"Torture" is no better a solution.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Not even Movie Optimus would do something that petty. What next, you want to go killing litter-bugs too?

That's what they did in Animated...kind of...

The Animated Autobots never killed anyone. Directly, even.

Which is why I said "...kind of..."

Who are you referring to?

Mat001 wrote:As to "Beast Wars", it took a while for the fandom to completely warm up to it, too.

That's because BW took a whole season to move past the maturity level of Looney Toons.

SlyTF1 wrote:Animated...

I had super low expectations for that show, but after seeing how badass Starscream was in the third episode, I was impressed.

Animated was amusing and chock full of shout-outs to G1, but it was never great, much less in the first five episodes.

Sabrblade wrote:There's something seriously wrong with thinking that the solution for bully problems is murder.

Yeah, murder is pretty extreme. A severe beating that results in paralysis from the neck down should suffice.

Sabrblade wrote:"Torture" is no better a solution.

Of course it is. The deterrent effect is much stronger that way.

I thought it was pretty awesome. Transformers has always been with different universes, so I don't see why this one is any different. Sure the movies and all that related to this show aren't as great, but they are still pretty cool. Even though they look different from later transformers shows, at least they look like they have actual legs instead of robot guts being exposed. Right? Idk, stuff like that is always weird for me at first till I see more. You should look at the other stuff when you can, it's pretty cool. Not sure how I like how they put together unicron though..

cotss2012 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:There's something seriously wrong with thinking that the solution for bully problems is murder.

Yeah, murder is pretty extreme. A severe beating that results in paralysis from the neck down should suffice.

Sabrblade wrote:"Torture" is no better a solution.

Of course it is. The deterrent effect is much stronger that way.

Neither of which is what Autobots are all about.

A good example would be "Armada". I wasn't too impressed with the show at first, but I kept watching and once they moved into the Star Saber arc, then I became really interested in it. So some shows take a while.

That's because BW took a whole season to move past the maturity level of Looney Toons.

Really...cause I remember far more corny jokes and potty humor in season 2 and 3 of BW than than season 1 of BW. Waspinator is a total will E coyote joke in s2 and s3. I think many episodes in S1 are actually darker and more serious than things seen in s2 and 23. Silverbolt is reminiscent of Dudley Do-Right, which I know isn't Looney Tues, but still. I see immaturity and maturity throughout the series.

Ballistic90 wrote:I have to say that there's something to be said about a series that requires you to ignore the first 5 episodes in order to get into it. If it wasn't for the fact that I enjoy Transformers as a whole, I would have abandoned it after the first episode.

I don't know what everyone is on about. The first 5 seem to set the ground work of the show, yea, it does get better, but it also gets worse from there. I feel it's more watchable show than say armada. It never stops being over the top, bumblebee and soundwave never talk, it tries to be more epic than it is. Some episodes are a bit more calm, and I've liked those ones. It is a kids show, you need to remember that. I think for what it is, it's ok, I certainly didn't fall in love with it like many others did though. If you hate it, don't waste your time, watch something else.

cotss2012 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:There's something seriously wrong with thinking that the solution for bully problems is murder.

Yeah, murder is pretty extreme. A severe beating that results in paralysis from the neck down should suffice.

I disagree. I was bullied quite a bit when I was younger, and the only reason those assholes are still alive is because I didn't have access to a knife or gun at the time.

Sabrblade wrote:"Torture" is no better a solution.

Of course it is. The deterrent effect is much stronger that way.

But it's the waste of time. The ultimate deterrent is to kill the motherf**kers.

And both Animated and Beast Wars were top notch when it comes to TF series.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I disagree. I was bullied quite a bit when I was younger, and the only reason those assholes are still alive is because I didn't have access to a knife or gun at the time.

So was I, but I never wanted to kill them. I may have wanted them to respect or even fear me, but killing them would have made me no better than them. If anything, it'd make me out to be the bad guy.

Rodimus Prime wrote:But it's the waste of time. The ultimate deterrent is to kill the motherf**kers.

Aye aye, Corporal Punishment.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I disagree. I was bullied quite a bit when I was younger, and the only reason those assholes are still alive is because I didn't have access to a knife or gun at the time.

So was I, but I never wanted to kill them. I may have wanted them to respect or even fear me, but killing them would have made me no better than them. If anything, it'd make me out to be the bad guy.

Yeah, I guess it depends on one's value of a human life. I wouldn't want to kill any of them now, but back then, if I had a weapon, I would have used it.

Rodimus Prime wrote:But it's the waste of time. The ultimate deterrent is to kill the motherf**kers.

Aye aye, Corporal Punishment.

It should be mandatory everywhere.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, I guess it depends on one's value of a human life. I wouldn't want to kill any of them now, but back then, if I had a weapon, I would have used it.

And as a result, your life would have been tarnished from then on, with either it getting worse or you having to work to atone for your actions. I doubt you would have wanted to go through all that trouble back then.

Rodimus Prime wrote:It should be mandatory everywhere.

You're starting to remind me of this guy.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, I guess it depends on one's value of a human life. I wouldn't want to kill any of them now, but back then, if I had a weapon, I would have used it.

And as a result, your life would have been tarnished from then on, with either it getting worse or you having to work to atone for your actions. I doubt you would have wanted to go through all that trouble back then.

Agreed. No matter how poopy life is, it's still better to not be in prison.

Rodimus Prime wrote:It should be mandatory everywhere.

You're starting to remind me of this guy.

Wow. Never been into Batman: TAS, but still. At first I thought you were talking about Wiki's founder. He's at the top of the page. Also, ironically (or hypocritically) I'm not much for authority...

Anyway, to get back to TF: Prime, I'm not sure where I heard or read that the show will be in line with Bayverse when it comes to some of the story, as well as with WFC/FOC. If that's the case, the characters should get a bit more vicious, especially Optimus. And I honestly disagree with Ratchet disliking humans. He's a doctor, he's supposed to take care of everyone. But I guess if they made Arcee out to be a total bitch, it wouldn't have been appealing, and the 3rd kid would have been without a human.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Anyway, to get back to TF: Prime, I'm not sure where I heard or read that the show will be in line with Bayverse when it comes to some of the story, as well as with WFC/FOC. If that's the case, the characters should get a bit more vicious, especially Optimus.

It's not conencted to the movies, but it is connected to WFC/FOC/Exodus/Exiles.

Rodimus Prime wrote:And I honestly disagree with Ratchet disliking humans. He's a doctor, he's supposed to take care of everyone. But I guess if they made Arcee out to be a total bitch, it wouldn't have been appealing, and the 3rd kid would have been without a human.

Ratchet's warmed up more to the humans over time. Particularly to Raf (who's helped him out a lot), and June (who also works in the medical field). If Jack becomes Autobot leader next season, I'm sure he and Ratchet will become buds if Ratchet act as an advisor to him.

Sabrblade wrote: If Jack becomes Autobot leader next season

If that happens, the series will replace Beast Machines as the worst piece of **** in TF TV series history.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote: If Jack becomes Autobot leader next season

If that happens, the series will replace Beast Machines as the worst piece of **** in TF TV series history.

agreed/seconded/ditto.

Tidalwavex wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote: If Jack becomes Autobot leader next season

If that happens, the series will replace Beast Machines as the worst piece of **** in TF TV series history.

agreed/seconded/ditto.

Remember Energon? Yeah.

Tidalwavex wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote: If Jack becomes Autobot leader next season

If that happens, the series will replace Beast Machines as the worst piece of **** in TF TV series history.

agreed/seconded/ditto.

Oh, come on, people. Are you are really that closed-minded? It wouldn't be the first time that a human was Commander of the Autobots (or even of the Decepticons, for that matter). It's been done before.

Besides, can you really tell me that you yourself would honestly not want to be in command of a group of giant transforming robots?

I doubt that Jack will become an Autobot, but I think the point being made was that Jack was going to go from being an ordinary sixteen year old, to being the kind of person that Optimus is. Which will wind up reflected in future dealings with Silas.

As to why Ratchet acts like he did, I think because he's lost so many friends during the war on Cybertron, he's made it a point to be standoffish and not wanting to bond with the kids. Note that he's not exactly friendly towards any of the Autobots except for his oldest friend, who just happens to be Optimus. So having him warm up to the kids and June makes sense over time.

Mat001 wrote:I doubt that Jack will become an Autobot

I never said that (though he could be considered an "Honorary Autobot"). All I said was that he could become their leader.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote: If Jack becomes Autobot leader next season

If that happens, the series will replace Beast Machines as the worst piece of **** in TF TV series history.

You seem to have things backward. Prime has already replaced BM as the most awesome thing in TF history, with RID still holding the title of worst.

But yes, Jack becoming leader would be stupid.

Sabrblade wrote:It wouldn't be the first time that a human was Commander of the Autobots (or even of the Decepticons, for that matter).

Wait, Decepticons? What are you on about now?

cotss2012 wrote:Wait, Decepticons? What are you on about now?

Lord Zarak, a Nebulon human, commanded the Earth-based Decepticons in Marvel G1.

Lord Giga and Lady Mega, two human Godmasters, led the Decepticons in the Chojin Masterforce series, during the time when their boss, Devil Z, was inactive.

It's definitely one of the better TF shows, almost up there with Beast Wars. Animated would have been but for the silliness like Professor Princess.

Beast Machines is a great show as well. And RID grew on me. Ar least Scourge, Magnus and Skybite had character.

My few problems with Prime are mainly aesthetic but I had that with BW and the Movies as well. Don't like the appearance of Bulkhead, Starscream or Megatron. They're all good characters, just don't like their faces especially Megatron and that skull look.

Miko manages to not grate too much but Raff annoys me because I can never accept the kid genius cliche.

It's still probably the best show after Beast Wars/Machines.

As for the bullying thing, these things pass. Realise these people are misguided and there is good in everyone. It's just harder to see in some people. The people who care about you wouldn't want you to throw your life away or indeed, anyone else's.

Also all the 'bad guys' out there have people who care about them too. Most of them probably decent so if you hurt these bullies, remember, you're hurting other people as well who don't deserve it.

We must be strong when those around us are weak. Decency, understanding and compassion are the only things that truely matter in life. At the end of the day, you can only answer for yourself. I know I wouldn't want to be a bad guy and I'm sure you don't either.

cotss2012 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Lord Giga and Lady Mega

Those names explain a lot of what is wrong with current pop culture...

1. Their names are Giga and Mega. I just added the "Lord "and "Lady" titles so I wouldn't have to write them as "Giga-sama" and "Mega-sama". I wanted an English-language equivalent for the honroifics.

2. The series they were in came out in 1988, loooong before Lady Gaga even started her career. Lady Gaga would have been only two years old back then.

3. What does today's pop culture have to do with a relatively obscure (outside of the Transformers fandom, that is) 1988 cartoon from Japan that never aired in English in the U.S.?

Seriously, man, get your facts straight.