The Energon Pub

by **FirstChAoS** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:49 pm

Godzilla wrote:Insecticons: Will want to destroy Megatron that they will become A!

Though the cartoon did portray the insecticons as anarchists (even when they tried to take over it wasn't to rule, it was to keep others from telling them what to do). They were never portrayed as nice. Their fun time is filled with a mix of being destructive and eating anything.

News Credits: 1 · by **Dr Buffalo** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:56 pm

I'd bet Megatron would defect to the Autobots, just because he'd get sick of the massive amount of incompotence in the Decepticons.
"You know what? Screw this. Congrats Starscream, your bitching and moaning has paid off. Here's the keys to my office. I'm siding with the 'bots, at least they do what they're told. Later ass-hats."

News Credits: 4 · by **General Magnus** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:52 pm

Armada Starscream is a very likely candidate to become an Autobot.

Also Armada Skywarp might side with the autobots, if not for his friendship with Armada Scavenger.

Packrat seems like a candidate for the Predacons.

by **Necessary Evil** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:01 pm

How 'bout Vortex? He's a bit of a sociopath who'd hurt anyone really.

by **Ramrider** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:46 am

Sounds like a damn good reason not to switch sides. Do you think that sounds like a potential Autobot? 'Cause I certainly don't...

by **Zombie Starscream** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:47 am

NewOmen wrote:6)Quintessons use the kill switch to deactivate all Transformers in "Five faces of darkness"

Was it all of the Transformers, or just only the ones they had built?
And was it a safety device built in, or was it some energy pulse that only affects Transformers?

by **Descybner** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:53 pm

What about Ironhide??? :-?

(I know, he's too close to Prime, but.. he would make an unbeatable bad guy, imo)

News Credits: 2 · by **Basketball Jones** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:34 am

Ironhide? A Decepticon?

Swindle could probably be brought over to the Autobots for a nominal fee.

News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:47 am

Punch/Counterpunch. But that's way too obvious.

Obvious, but by far the most likely in my book. Punch is slipping further and further, and unless he actually starts to realise it and seeks help, he'll eventually go beyond all hope and Counterpunch will be in permanent control.

goddamn right he will be.

:grin:

News Credits: 3 · by **Damolisher** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:27 pm

Hi-Q wrote:Question...what transformer would most easily switch to the other side?

Tracks.

by **Ramrider** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:33 pm

Basketball Jones wrote:Swindle could probably be brought over to the Autobots for a nominal fee.

Possible, but the thing is, he's a trader, not a soldier-for-hire. He may be mercenary, but he's not a mercenary... :lol:

Besides, even if that were the case, would the Autobots really consider him worth the price? I've never seen any source that pegs him as a particularly good fighter...

Damolisher wrote:Tracks

Oh, I'd [i]love[/i[ to hear your explanation for that... :-?

News Credits: 3 · by **Damolisher** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:53 pm

Dude, come on. It's pretty obvious Tracks plays for the other team as it is!

But in all seriousness, I'd go with Sunstreaker, because he's a whackjob, Repugnus because he's about as evil as an Autobot could get, Blitzwing, because he could if he chose to, and Carnivac, because he did in the comics.

News Credits: 1 · by **Creature SH** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:16 pm

I'm also wondering about one of my old favourites, Quickmix.

I mean, he set up a bomb in his lab to blow up any intruders while he was gone - And he apparently considered making a good luck charm out of their remains. Pretty dark and demented, all things considered.

by **Ramrider** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:56 pm

Damolisher wrote:Carnivac, because he did in the comics.

That's a good point. And so did Catilla.

Creature SH wrote:I'm also wondering about one of my old favourites, Quickmix.

I mean, he set up a bomb in his lab to blow up any intruders while he was gone - And he apparently considered making a good luck charm out of their remains. Pretty dark and demented, all things considered.

I take it you mean G1 Quickmix? When did that happen - from what I know of him that sounds pretty out of character... I know he's supposed to be bad tempered, but I didn't think he was that bad.

by **Godzilla** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:03 pm

Ramrider wrote:Wow, Godz... I don't know where to start shooting those down... right, from the top...
Godzilla wrote:Sideswipe: He believes humans r inferior!

I don't know where the hell you got this ridiculous idea from. Sideswipe is a popular, good-natured Autobot. Pretty much his worst character traits are that he's reckless and a bit too cocky for his own good.
Godzilla wrote:Sunstreaker: Arrogant and hates humans!

The only 'bot on the list I'll agree with. But 'arrogant and hating humans' is hardly reason for becoming a Decepticon. Being a sociopath is.
Godzilla wrote:Mirage: HE can never be fully trusted! The Traitor episode excluded!

As I (and others) have said, while he may not have been sure of the cause in the beginning, he's proved himself over and over again, over many years of loyal service.
Godzilla wrote:Smokescreen: Same as Mirage

Rubbish. As I said, 'devious' does not automatically equate to 'evil'. He's one of Prime's most valued intelligence agents, and one of his most trusted, for the reasons stated earlier.
Godzilla wrote:Soundwave: He really never comes across as a badguy to me!

Oh, he really is. I guess I can see why you might get that if you're going by the 'toon, and only paying attention to the 'lapdog' aspects of his portrayal in it. There's a whole lot more to him than that. Read some comics, seriously.
Godzilla wrote:Hound: Hes too good to be true!

Riiiiight...
Godzilla wrote:Constructicons: Never were built to destroy!

So you've never heard of Devastator, then..?
Godzilla wrote:Hardhead: He might get so mad about following orders that he will switch sides and become a D!

He's stubborn and pig-headed, but again, that doesn't mean evil. Besides, you think Megatron would stand for his malarkey any more than the Autobots do? I think not.
Godzilla wrote:Warpath: He'll want to fight so much that he'll be Decepticon a destroy things like Brawl!

Again, likes fighting, but not evil, or indeed approaching it. If he was that close to the edge, he'd be far less liked than he is.
Godzilla wrote:Insecticons: Will want to destroy Megatron that they will become A!

So... "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", eh? Right, that's always been a realistic outlook. You don't think they hate the Autobots more?

Night Raid wrote:I can see Starscream forming his own side.

He already did - the original Predacons, in War Within.

First of all I read in more of the G1 comics (DW and IDW)than I do the cartoon. How in the hell do u not agree with Sideswipe? He honestly thinks that humans r inferior beings. Soundwave is a soldier, he just carry out his orders. Although I do remeber him sayin that he would put the humans(Fascmiles) out of their misery. Warpath would switch sides in a heartbeat! Devastator and the Constructicons aren't built 4 destruction!

by **diglyd** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:49 pm

regarding the comment..Constructicons: Never were built to destroy!

in the G1 episodes didn't Omega Supreme mention that they were originally the ones who built that crystal city on Cybertron and Megatron used his machine to capture them, reprogram them, and gave them the ability to merge into Devastator?

Didn't Prime say "megatron's programing can never be undone"?

So in regards to the Constructicons I don't see them defecting anytime soon.

Starscream is proabbly the only one who I see leaving but not to join the autobots but to form his own club, since he tried that already.

Actually I would say Rumble too because he was a lways getting beat up by the other decepticons. Maybe if he got tired of getting slapped around by the bigger bots he would defect to get some "respect". I'm only goning off the g1 show and not the comics so I might be wrong here.

by **Godzilla** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:01 pm

ZeroZero wrote:How 'bout Vortex? He's a bit of a sociopath who'd hurt anyone really.

HAHAHAHHAAHAH! Yup he would hurt anybody! Well if would switch sides then Wildrider would do switch in a heart beat! HES **** CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **Ramrider** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:06 pm

Right... I'll let the Constructicons slide. You're right in that they weren't built to destroy... in fact they weren't even built to become Devastator; that came later. But I'm still not gonna come close to agreeing with you - just because they're creative rather than destructive (largely - Bonecrusher might argue with that), doesn't make them any less Decepticons. To be honest, the only Constructicon I could seriously see switching is Long Haul; I'm not sure he's ever been entirely convinced of the Decepticons' cause. The only real reason he joined was because he wanted action and excitement, and he's been given a job that gives him very little of that - he might come to the conclusion that he might have more luck on the other side.

Godzilla wrote:How in the hell do u not agree with Sideswipe? He honestly thinks that humans r inferior beings.

Godzilla wrote:Warpath would switch sides in a heartbeat!

I really don't see either of those. Both of them love the thrill of combat, there's no denying that... but they're both popular, loyal Autobots. If you've seen evidence to the contrary, I'd love to know where it is so I can see for myself.

Godzilla wrote:Soundwave is a soldier, he just carry out his orders.

On the face of it, yeah, that's all he does. But as I said earlier, he's a dirty, backstabbing, blackmailing... he's really not a nice piece of work. He could well be aiming to take over the Decepticons for himself. But whatever he's up to, he's definitely no Autobot.

by **GremlinGrimlock** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:29 pm

Would think Starscream,as much,plotting and trying at times to
replace megatron. Might of made a good auto. Weird but,way back
jetfire was either shot down or slagged by starscream. It took
a while for em to do it.

Usually ,goes in,finished and blasts away. Maybe would've
been a good wingman in the jetfire,starscream combo. Very simular approaches in logistics.?

by **Ramrider** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:25 am

diglyd wrote:Actually I would say Rumble too because he was a lways getting beat up by the other decepticons. Maybe if he got tired of getting slapped around by the bigger bots he would defect to get some "respect". I'm only goning off the g1 show and not the comics so I might be wrong here.

Nah. The guy worships Megatron and Soundwave. He's going nowhere.

Godzilla wrote:HAHAHAHHAAHAH! Yup he would hurt anybody! Well if would switch sides then Wildrider would do switch in a heart beat! HES CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that's a damn good reason they'd make lousy Autobots. Besides, they've already got one knife-edge sociopath to worry about (Sunstreaker), do you really think they need two more?

GremlinGrimlock wrote:Would think Starscream,as much,plotting and trying at times to
replace megatron. Might of made a good auto. Weird but,way back
jetfire was either shot down or slagged by starscream. It took
a while for em to do it.

Usually ,goes in,finished and blasts away. Maybe would've
been a good wingman in the jetfire,starscream combo. Very simular approaches in logistics.?

Tactically, he may have benefited the Autobots, but you could say that about almost anyone (Megatron's a brilliant strategis, they could use that...). As has been said, Starscream could (and indeed has) wind up forming a splinter group of his own, but there's no way he's a potential Autobot.
Besides, he's not satisfied being second-in-command of the Decepticons. How long do you think it be before he tried to assassinate Prime? I give in ten, fifteen minutes tops...

by **Godzilla** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:51 am

Godzilla wrote:HAHAHAHHAAHAH! Yup he would hurt anybody! Well if would switch sides then Wildrider would do switch in a heart beat! HES CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that's a damn good reason they'd make lousy Autobots. Besides, they've already got one knife-edge sociopath to worry about (Sunstreaker), do you really think they need two more?

Well why not? If they can get the job done then why not have to "sociopathic" nut heads like that!

by **Descybner** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:15 pm

Godzilla wrote:
Godzilla wrote:HAHAHAHHAAHAH! Yup he would hurt anybody! Well if would switch sides then Wildrider would do switch in a heart beat! HES CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that's a damn good reason they'd make lousy Autobots. Besides, they've already got one knife-edge sociopath to worry about (Sunstreaker), do you really think they need two more?

Well why not? If they can get the job done then why not have to "sociopathic" nut heads like that!

Speaking of insanity, Wheeljack is a mad scientist.. <.< (heck what am I saying I don't think he'd switch sides XD)
Anyway, Sunstreaker is a good choice.. he's so selfish that he would make a better con than a bot.

News Credits: 1 · by **Creature SH** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:50 pm

Ramrider wrote:
Creature SH wrote:I'm also wondering about one of my old favourites, Quickmix. (...)

I take it you mean G1 Quickmix? When did that happen - from what I know of him that sounds pretty out of character... I know he's supposed to be bad tempered, but I didn't think he was that bad.

Yeah, G1 Quickmix. I keep forgetting that there's a Cybertron one (Probably because I could never get the figure).

I thought that it was in his tech specs, actually. In any case, it's currently in his wiki article (Without source, though).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quickmix_(Transformers)

by **Ramrider** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:16 pm

Creature SH wrote:Yeah, G1 Quickmix. I keep forgetting that there's a Cybertron one (Probably because I could never get the figure).

I thought that it was in his tech specs, actually. In any case, it's currently in his wiki article (Without source, though).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quickmix_(Transformers)

Fair do's. Even without source, though (I have no idea where that story came from), there's nothing there to suggest a potential rebellion. He set the booby trap specifically because he knew Decepticons were likely to break in.
And as regards the 'charm bracelet' line, there's no indication that he was actually sick enough to want to make one from his enemies' remains, or even that anyone but the narrator even considered the concept. It's like Megatron saying "there won't be enough pieces left to swim in". He's not saying that if there were, he would - it's just a figure of speech.