The Energon Pub

So, not sure what happened, but apparently the philosphers forum is gone. Not sure what happened to that, but I guess this will have to do. Anyway, I have a topic I wanted to discuss seriously. That is, seriously, so if there's a one sentence statement you want to make, this isn't the place to do it. Here is the obligitory white space to make your decision.















Okay. So, for everyone still here. I don't have a tv anymore, no cable, not even an antennae. So, I've been watching what I could find online. I've been watching a lot of documenteries =P Most of those have been the same old sad story of conspiracy theories, against one side or the other. I had a serious question though. IGNORING whether or not you believe that the world is heading for a New World Order, let's just assume that it is. If you don't then you'll just have to play devils advocate and argue against yourself. If we are headed that way and revolution was the only way to do it, exactly how do the people of the world rise up against a global superpower? It's a question I've been putting a lot of thought into and I haven't been able to come up with a solution, but I thought that such a question could pose a good topic for some higher end discussion.

ShadowKatt wrote:So, not sure what happened, but apparently the philosphers forum is gone. Not sure what happened to that, but I guess this will have to do. Anyway, I have a topic I wanted to discuss seriously. That is, seriously, so if there's a one sentence statement you want to make, this isn't the place to do it. Here is the obligitory white space to make your decision.

A lot of fighting. Civilized debate turned into "My God is better than your God," with a good ol' fashion twist of "If you don't want to be viciously insulted by people too ignorant to understand you, don't come in here!"

It was locked, and removed, and isn't going to show up for quite some time.

ShadowKatt wrote:Okay. So, for everyone still here. I don't have a tv anymore, no cable, not even an antennae. So, I've been watching what I could find online. I've been watching a lot of documenteries =P Most of those have been the same old sad story of conspiracy theories, against one side or the other. I had a serious question though. IGNORING whether or not you believe that the world is heading for a New World Order, let's just assume that it is. If you don't then you'll just have to play devils advocate and argue against yourself. If we are headed that way and revolution was the only way to do it, exactly how do the people of the world rise up against a global superpower? It's a question I've been putting a lot of thought into and I haven't been able to come up with a solution, but I thought that such a question could pose a good topic for some higher end discussion.

(Just for the record, this is a pretty mild topic. No topic is inherently inflammable, but this should be safe)

I think there's a time and a place for everything. Just ruishing in, guns-a-blazing. Will. Not. Work. If there's a superpower strong enough to hold the entire world in it's grasp, you have to assume it's going to be able to fight back against some unorganized idiots with guns.

If there is some easy form of communication that the New World Order (I'll refer to them as the NWO) can't tap, then that's the one to use. Organizing very small guerrilla missions at seemingly random times, so as to not alert the NWO, specifically sabotage, rescuing allied prisoners, taking enemy prisoners, and stealing supply shipments.

Not so much destroying a power plant, as crossing a few wires so it looks like it blew itself up. Not so much breaking a prisoner out, as it is posing as a guard and sneaking him out. Not so much taking an enemy, as it is beating the **** out of them for information, then capping them in the head. And not so much stealing huge shipments of weapons, ammo, and supplies, as it is taking a couple of boxes here and there. (Watch the movie Office Space, and you'll see what I mean)

Using the untappable communication, and the supplies we've stolen (Kind of like putting some loose change in a jar every so often), stage a massive, synchronous, simultaneous uprising.

Yeah, that's my plan.

Yeah, every attempt at a 'Controversial Issues' forum I've ever seen has gone down in flames, pardon the pun. Unless the board in question is devoted entirely to that sort of thing (Like Stardestroyer.net or TalkOrigins), something eventually has to give. Besides, this is the internet. Rational Discussion? Pshaw!

Anyway, rising up against a superpower? First, you'd really want covert backing from some other major nations. Weapons development, personell, money, what have you. Secondly, I'd reccomend putting together a 'neutral' NGO, and cozying up with said superpower for a bit, maybe help them deal with some smaller enemies of theirs while insuating oneself and reconning their infrastructure. Trying to covertly win over the enemy populace would help.

Once secure in your power, start in as Shadowman suggested with attacks on infrastructure. I figure the ultimate goal should be to wipe out the NWO's warmaking capabilities as quickly and efficiently as possible. Hit the infrastructure, cut off their external supply lines, deny them resources, and incite the civillians into revolt. That'll fix their little red wagon.

You get Sting. Sting is the arch enemy of the nWo.


Ok, mandatory joke aside.


The best way to deal with a nwo government, is exactly whats been described.

Guerrilla tactics, exactly why our asses were handed to us in Vietnam. You can't fight a war against an unknown enemy.

This is how the American Revolution was won, this is how Vietnam was lost, many many battles turned out in favor of the group using guerrilla tactics.

Exactly whats Shadowman and AfterImage stated. Get yourself a mask, incite the masses through well spoken interviews, and bring down a dictatorship in one fell swoop.

Watch V for Vendetta, nuff said.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Watch V for Vendetta, nuff said.

OoO! Good answer!

I don't buy conspiracy theories anymore. I'll buy that we're being used and lied to, but I'm sick of conspiracy theories. It's easy to come up with something like "our government did it because it's drumming up support for a war" because it's actually easier to stomach than "we got f'ed in the a by a bunch of fanatics."

In other words, we want to believe the thing we understand more of. Lies and betrayal are easier to believe than the idea that we really were just attacked.


As for superpowers, they change. The classic example of Rome crumbling from within is way too over used, and not even complete. The truth is that the Roman Empire lived on for a thousand more years in Byzantium. It was invaded by the Crusaders in the 1200's. Finally it caved to outside invasion, the Turks.

Meanwhile, the Catholic church was flourishing in the old Roman capitol, and controlling nations and inciting Crusades. Did anything actually fall?

My point is, things change hands. There's no New World Order. There's just Another World Order.

Talk about New World Order in the Third World. They'll say, what's that? We have a new dictator every week practically. It's always warfare here.


And what about the people behind the scenes? The Freemasons. The Skull and Bones. The Illuminati. The Five Jew Bankers. The Catholic Church.

There will always be outside interests controlling nations. Why? Because humans are social animals and why wouldn't the chieftains all gather together and come up with their own little quid pro quo system that's just for them? It's networking. It's also screwing over the peasants, but that's nothing new.


My advice: start learning Chinese.

Senor Hugo wrote:You get Sting. Sting is the arch enemy of the nWo.

It's true!

and for the record...you sign up. Large organizations don't fall due to external influence, they fall due to an influx of new ideas which causes fragmentation.

Besides, Big Brother pays well.

Pyrostrata wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Watch V for Vendetta, nuff said.

OoO! Good answer!

Damn it! I wanted to reply to Hugo's post with "Use the letter V a lot."

Why do I have to go to sleep and miss all the good chances for a cheesy joke?!