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Hi everyone,

A small question about the Decepticon tank in the movie..... his name is Devistator yet the toy from Hasbro is named Brawl? Why are they different? How hard is it to keep the same name for a character in both the movie and the toyline?

Also, using the names Devistator and Bonecrusher in the movie rules out any possibility of the Constructacons being used in a sequel. This is a shame as a giant robot made up smaller robots would have been awesome on the big screen.

Thoughts? Comments?

as far as i know it was an error that was supposed to be fixed for the dvd but suprise, it wasn't, i just litterally finnished watching 6the movie like 2 minuts before writing this post and i had the same thought but his name is brawl, the toy says it micheal bay says it, his name is brawl not devestator and as for bonecrusher, he's unrealted to the constructicon, after all there was a bonecrusher in beast wars.

Ravensfire MKII wrote:Also, using the names Devistator and Bonecrusher in the movie rules out any possibility of the Constructacons being used in a sequel.

Not necessarily. They don't have to use the same names for Bonecrusher and Devastator. I'm sure the fanbase wouldn't mind a namechange in exchange for a huge movie Gestalt. Heck, name the combined form The Constructicon for all I care and the new guy in Bonecrusher's place can be Quickmix, Buckethead, Hightower, Steamhammer or any other non-G1 Constructicon name.

sorry but it's getting put up again..............

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Cujo wrote:sorry but it's getting put up again..............

Good ole' Cujo always bringing logic back into the forum.

Sherade wrote:

Cujo wrote:sorry but it's getting put up again..............

Good ole' Cujo always bringing logic back into the forum.

hey atleats the mods are letting me use it again..... just not as often as i used to....

Quick point of interest in that Simon Furman seems to prefer Devastator over Brawl. He's used it for all of the character's appearances to date in the UK originated strips in the Titan mag.

Cujo wrote:

Sherade wrote:

Cujo wrote:sorry but it's getting put up again..............

Good ole' Cujo always bringing logic back into the forum.

hey atleats the mods are letting me use it again..... just not as often as i used to....

you love that image too much

autobot commander wrote:

Cujo wrote:

Sherade wrote:

Cujo wrote:sorry but it's getting put up again..............

Good ole' Cujo always bringing logic back into the forum.

hey atleats the mods are letting me use it again..... just not as often as i used to....

you love that image too much

it's not my fault .....the noobs force me to use it

The way I see it, there are already plenty of B-named decepticons (Brawl, Bonecrusher, Barricade, Blackout). Second, what the unanniciated (i.e., those who watched the movie just cuz, not toy-nerds) will see Devastator. Third off, Devastation happens when a nuke goes off, or when a great natural disaster happens. A Brawl is two Scots after a football game. Devastator shakes up the monotamy, reaches a wider audience, and sounds more impresive.

E.H.U.D. wrote:The way I see it, there are already plenty of B-named decepticons (Brawl, Bonecrusher, Barricade, Blackout). Second, what the unanniciated (i.e., those who watched the movie just cuz, not toy-nerds) will see Devastator. Third off, Devastation happens when a nuke goes off, or when a great natural disaster happens. A Brawl is two Scots after a football game. Devastator shakes up the monotamy, reaches a wider audience, and sounds more impresive.

i like this new guy..... he actually makes sence

maximus primus wrote:as far as i know it was an error that was supposed to be fixed for the dvd but suprise, it wasn't, i just litterally finnished watching 6the movie like 2 minuts before writing this post and i had the same thought but his name is brawl, the toy says it micheal bay says it, his name is brawl not devestator and as for bonecrusher, he's unrealted to the constructicon, after all there was a bonecrusher in beast wars.

Where have you heard that Bay has refered to the tank as Brawl?I havent heard a single word from him thats really on topic.

The way I see it, it's no mistake.As far as I know the story that it may have been a mistake is only a rumor that has not been proven ither way,but in my opiniom it is highly unlikely.

1.st of all to believe its a mistake you have to first acsept the fact that the writters arent fans of Transformers....witch they are.

2.nd You would also have to believe that all the production people didnt catch the mistake before the film was released.I really dont think that all those people were that incompetant.

3.rd You would also have to believe that Bay didnt pay attention to the intro of the big action scene when he was editing.....and that both Bay and De,Santo [head producer] didnt catch the mistake when they got their private viewing weeks before the film was released.

4.th Bay and the other's involved where talking for some time before the film was released that we would see a tank in the movie that had a connection to a combiner team.....Of course most fans assumed that it would be Brawl [from Bruticus]

5.th If it were a mistake why didnt Bay have it fixed for the DVD release??????????All the fan's were demanding that he change it for the DVD.

Thats way to many things to assecpt to believe it was a mistake.

Most likely it was this........Its a well knowen fact that Bay hate's it when he's told how to make a movie.He hated that the choice to cast the voice of Optimus Prime was taken away from him.He fought those incharge above him on this film for the right to chose someone other then Frank Welker [G1 ] or David Kaye [Beast Wars] to be the voice of Megatron.

He also refused to allow Peter Cullen [Prime] to also do the voice of Ironhide like he did in the original G1 cartoon.

Bay also chose an other member of the team that forms Deverstator [The Constructions] to be in the film and killed him off too....Bonecrusher.Why would he do unless he intended not to use the team?????Thats two name's from the team that he already used up.
And yes I know the name Bonecrusher has been used in some of the other serries but the writters have stated that they were under orders to find only name's that they could still use [under copyright] from the G1 list of characters.All the names used were G1.

I also know that there's no reason to assume that Bonecrusher has to be a member of any new team of Decepticons but if I'm right Hasbro cant use at least 2 of the names of other members of the Constructicons because of copy rights laws.

So why would Bay allow a mistake that may limit his ability to use the team at all make it to the DVD release.

My guess is that useing those names was Bays way to insure that he not be "TOLD" witch characters to use in his 2nd film.

Its a well knowen fact that Bay is very manipulative.........look how he tryed to manipulate the studio when they announced that they were only going to release the film on standerd DVD and HD DVD.He stated publicly that if they limited the film to only HD DVD and no Blue Ray release that he would in no way return to direct a 2nd film.

Paramont didnt back down and now Bay has changed his mind and is doing the 2nd film.

He named the tank Deverstator on purpose....it was no mistake.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And yes I know the name Bonecrusher has been used in some of the other serries but the writters have stated that they were under orders to find only name's that they could still use [under copyright] from the G1 list of characters.All the names used were G1.

Were they? I didn't know that.

Leonardo wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And yes I know the name Bonecrusher has been used in some of the other serries but the writters have stated that they were under orders to find only name's that they could still use [under copyright] from the G1 list of characters.All the names used were G1.

Were they? I didn't know that.

Were they to what???

Were all the name's G1? Or were the writters told to use only G1 names?

maximus primus wrote:as far as i know it was an error that was supposed to be fixed for the dvd but suprise, it wasn't, i just litterally finnished watching 6the movie like 2 minuts before writing this post and i had the same thought but his name is brawl, the toy says it micheal bay says it, his name is brawl not devestator and as for bonecrusher, he's unrealted to the constructicon, after all there was a bonecrusher in beast wars.

But Bonecrusher is still a Constructicon!
So if just becos there is a BC in BW he's no a G1 name, so what's up with Megatron and Scorponok?

Dead Metal wrote:

maximus primus wrote:as far as i know it was an error that was supposed to be fixed for the dvd but suprise, it wasn't, i just litterally finnished watching 6the movie like 2 minuts before writing this post and i had the same thought but his name is brawl, the toy says it micheal bay says it, his name is brawl not devestator and as for bonecrusher, he's unrealted to the constructicon, after all there was a bonecrusher in beast wars.

But Bonecrusher is still a Constructicon!
So if just becos there is a BC in BW he's no a G1 name, so what's up with Megatron and Scorponok?

Sorry buddy but I dont understand what your saying.Are you saying that because the name was used in an other series that it can not be considered a G1 name????

Almost all the names in the Bay movie were used multible times in different TF series.I think that to only names used in the movie that were only used in G1 were Bumblebee,Jazz and Ratchet.

If I misunderstood your post I'm sorry.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

maximus primus wrote:as far as i know it was an error that was supposed to be fixed for the dvd but suprise, it wasn't, i just litterally finnished watching 6the movie like 2 minuts before writing this post and i had the same thought but his name is brawl, the toy says it micheal bay says it, his name is brawl not devestator and as for bonecrusher, he's unrealted to the constructicon, after all there was a bonecrusher in beast wars.

But Bonecrusher is still a Constructicon!
So if just becos there is a BC in BW he's no a G1 name, so what's up with Megatron and Scorponok?

Sorry buddy but I dont understand what your saying.Are you saying that because the name was used in an other series that it can not be considered a G1 name????

Almost all the names in the Bay movie were used multible times in different TF series.I think that to only names used in the movie that were only used in G1 were Bumblebee,Jazz and Ratchet.

If I misunderstood your post I'm sorry.

I know they were used multiple times, that's what I was trying to say (badly).
He said Bonecrusher is not related to the Constructecos, cos the name was used in Beast Wars, I just said that he is a G1 name, along with Megatron and Scorponok!
All in G1, all in Beast Wars and all in Movie!

Dead Metal wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

maximus primus wrote:as far as i know it was an error that was supposed to be fixed for the dvd but suprise, it wasn't, i just litterally finnished watching 6the movie like 2 minuts before writing this post and i had the same thought but his name is brawl, the toy says it micheal bay says it, his name is brawl not devestator and as for bonecrusher, he's unrealted to the constructicon, after all there was a bonecrusher in beast wars.

But Bonecrusher is still a Constructicon!
So if just becos there is a BC in BW he's no a G1 name, so what's up with Megatron and Scorponok?

Sorry buddy but I dont understand what your saying.Are you saying that because the name was used in an other series that it can not be considered a G1 name????

Almost all the names in the Bay movie were used multible times in different TF series.I think that to only names used in the movie that were only used in G1 were Bumblebee,Jazz and Ratchet.

If I misunderstood your post I'm sorry.

I know they were used multiple times, that's what I was trying to say (badly).
He said Bonecrusher is not related to the Constructecos, cos the name was used in Beast Wars, I just said that he is a G1 name, along with Megatron and Scorponok!
All in G1, all in Beast Wars and all in Movie!

Sorry I missunderstood you.......All the names in the Bay movie were also G1 names.They may not be inspired by the G1 characters but their still G1 names.I dont find that a cowinsadence [spelling?]

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

maximus primus wrote:as far as i know it was an error that was supposed to be fixed for the dvd but suprise, it wasn't, i just litterally finnished watching 6the movie like 2 minuts before writing this post and i had the same thought but his name is brawl, the toy says it micheal bay says it, his name is brawl not devestator and as for bonecrusher, he's unrealted to the constructicon, after all there was a bonecrusher in beast wars.

But Bonecrusher is still a Constructicon!
So if just becos there is a BC in BW he's no a G1 name, so what's up with Megatron and Scorponok?

Sorry buddy but I dont understand what your saying.Are you saying that because the name was used in an other series that it can not be considered a G1 name????

Almost all the names in the Bay movie were used multible times in different TF series.I think that to only names used in the movie that were only used in G1 were Bumblebee,Jazz and Ratchet.

If I misunderstood your post I'm sorry.

I know they were used multiple times, that's what I was trying to say (badly).
He said Bonecrusher is not related to the Constructecos, cos the name was used in Beast Wars, I just said that he is a G1 name, along with Megatron and Scorponok!
All in G1, all in Beast Wars and all in Movie!

Sorry I missunderstood you.......All the names in the Bay movie were also G1 names.They may not be inspired by the G1 characters but their still G1 names.I dont find that a coincidence [spelling?]

Use Firefox if you're not to sure on spelling, it lets me write stuff that is readable.

I don't find it a concedence to, but I was only refering to the fact that most TF shows "borrow" names from existing shows and lines.

Dead Metal wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

maximus primus wrote:as far as i know it was an error that was supposed to be fixed for the dvd but suprise, it wasn't, i just litterally finnished watching 6the movie like 2 minuts before writing this post and i had the same thought but his name is brawl, the toy says it micheal bay says it, his name is brawl not devestator and as for bonecrusher, he's unrealted to the constructicon, after all there was a bonecrusher in beast wars.

But Bonecrusher is still a Constructicon!
So if just becos there is a BC in BW he's no a G1 name, so what's up with Megatron and Scorponok?

Sorry buddy but I dont understand what your saying.Are you saying that because the name was used in an other series that it can not be considered a G1 name????

Almost all the names in the Bay movie were used multible times in different TF series.I think that to only names used in the movie that were only used in G1 were Bumblebee,Jazz and Ratchet.

If I misunderstood your post I'm sorry.

I know they were used multiple times, that's what I was trying to say (badly).
He said Bonecrusher is not related to the Constructecos, cos the name was used in Beast Wars, I just said that he is a G1 name, along with Megatron and Scorponok!
All in G1, all in Beast Wars and all in Movie!

Sorry I missunderstood you.......All the names in the Bay movie were also G1 names.They may not be inspired by the G1 characters but their still G1 names.I dont find that a coincidence [spelling?]

Use Firefox if you're not to sure on spelling, it lets me write stuff that is readable.

I don't find it a concedence to, but I was only refering to the fact that most TF shows "borrow" names from existing shows and lines.

Fire fox wont work on my pc right.....it may be some spywear hidden on this pc.

Make a acan on the highest level!
That should get it!

Dead Metal wrote::shock:
Make a acan on the highest level!
That should get it!

I have done more scans then you can count....and it always tell's me that it found and removed all spywear and 3 days later its back again.It most be rooted in the hardwear somewhere.

Why everybody wants Devastator anyway? A scene with lots of CONSTRUCTICON vehicles jumping around to form a big bot would be stupid.
Actualy... REAL cars forming a big bot would look extremely stupid.
Use bigass transformers instead! Broadside... Omega Supreme... Tidal Wave for the newer fans.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote::shock:
Make a acan on the highest level!
That should get it!

I have done more scans then you can count....and it always tell's me that it found and removed all spywear and 3 days later its back again.It most be rooted in the hardwear somewhere.

That sucks, use a new Firewal then, and once it removed stuff switch of you Pc, then disconenct the electricity then switch it on again.
They created software that hangs onto the ram as long as the ram gets juice the virus will reinstall itself.