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News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:36 pm

Titan class Raiden, please. Devastator needs his rival. :-B

by **Desslok2201** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:44 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Titan class Raiden, please. Devastator needs his rival.

I think I just shat myself

by **Robogeek1973** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:50 pm

Desslok2201 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Editor wrote:
shockblast2 wrote:I do like the idea of a train transformer. Hopefully that will come to be one day as a new character or something.

Screw doing a new character, This is Combiner Wars, give me an updated Raiden.

Raiden would be nuts, I'd be all over that, unless it's one train mold used six times or something like that. I was going to say liokaiser also, but I think I'd rather just see that as an encore, if they would please resurrect that line; those molds are awesome

An updated new mold Lio Kaiser would make me the happiest guy in the world. :grin:

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:51 pm

Desslok2201 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Titan class Raiden, please. Devastator needs his rival.

I think I just shat myself

Plus the Trainbots are big dudes when in their altmodes.

by **Desslok2201** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:53 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Desslok2201 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Titan class Raiden, please. Devastator needs his rival.

I think I just shat myself
Plus the Trainbots are big dudes when in their altmodes.

Plus a set of those little dudes that came with SDCC Metroplex to ride onboard.

News Credits: 65 · by **Wolfman Jake** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:56 pm

Sabrblade wrote:

Did Ultra Magnus shrink in the wash?

News Credits: 9 · by **Editor** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:57 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Titan class Raiden, please. Devastator needs his rival.

Takara maybe... Hasbro wouldn't have the balls to release a Japan only character in Titan price point.

That said they could redesign a Raiden made from a NYC subway car, a BART car, a Vancouver Skytrain, the Seattle Monorail, a Chicago L car and an LA Metro Rail and I'd be all over it.

by **Desslok2201** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:59 pm

I'd wrassle ya for it

by **Desslok2201** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:02 pm

Editor wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Titan class Raiden, please. Devastator needs his rival.

Takara maybe... Hasbro wouldn't have the balls to release a Japan only character in Titan price point.

That said they could redesign a Raiden made from a NYC subway car, a BART car, a Vancouver Skytrain, the Seattle Monorail, a Chicago L car and an LA Metro Rail and I'd be all over it.

That would be so sweet. Unfortunately it would hit retail looking like the Galaxy Express 999 and five vaguely marshmallow shaped rectangles

News Credits: 41 · by **Cobotron** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:50 pm

um...guys...Alpha Bravo already.... uhhh.... has Slingshot's...head.

News Credits: 293 · by **shajaki** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:00 pm

Cobotron wrote:um...guys...Alpha Bravo already.... uhhh.... has Slingshot's...head.

and thats honestly why i thought hasbro wouldnt give us a proper slingshot. they made him look similar to SS that i assumed we'd have to rely on 3P's to make us one. they could just toss AB's head on the planned SS repaint and call it a done deal.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:02 pm

Cobotron wrote:um...guys...Alpha Bravo already.... uhhh.... has Slingshot's...head.

Vortex's head. Slingshot hasn't a mountplate.

News Credits: 293 · by **shajaki** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:07 pm

DP

News Credits: 41 · by **Cobotron** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:15 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Cobotron wrote:um...guys...Alpha Bravo already.... uhhh.... has Slingshot's...head.
Vortex's head. Slingshot hasn't a mountplate.

Oh wow. Dead ringer. good call Sabe. I bet that's what we get with a Sling toy though.
Honestly though, one could certainly take that as a glimpse into the future for Le Brut.

News Credits: 8 · by **Flashwave** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:36 pm

shockblast2 wrote:
shajaki wrote:
shockblast2 wrote:You harping that a dead line is still alive and well AND trying to claim that every Generations release is some sort of classics redux is getting old. Pathetically old.

Slingshot is dead and Wildrider doesn't exist in IDW, so that point is irrelevant.
have i been harping that G1 is alive and well? i sure dont recall. maybe the last time said anything on the subject was in regards to your completely made up G3 notion. i might add theres many more supporters on my side BTW.

every iteration of transformers has G1 influence. some of them (like the classics/generations lines) are HEAVILY based on G1. how you can look at CW/classics/generations and claim theyre not a redux of sorts is beyond me.

we all get it. the G1 line i long finished.
but G1 is still very much alive.

Name ONE Generations figure since FOC ended, besides Arcee, that looks just like its geewun counterpart? Your ideology is akin to saying that ROTF Hoist is geewun. Just because it shares the name and coloring does not mean it is the same. Is Rescue Bot Hoist Geewun Hoist?? NO.

So, if you have an example, bring it. Yes, the "spirit" of G1 is alive. Of course, because if not, then Transformers itself would be long dead and buried. These are new incarnations of them. But, they are not the same entities that existed in G1. If so, Jhaxis would not be present, nor would Ratbat, Waspinator, Rhinox, or even the new Starscream, which is EXCELLENT example of the spirit of this new line.

Springer.

Gen. Hoist and Trailthingy. Granted, Hoist needs his accesory, but it is a near ideal revisit to G1 Hoist and Trail has his lightbar thingy.

And technically, thanks to TFWiki and the Angry Birds comic, RB Heatwave is now g1

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:38 pm

Flashwave wrote:
shockblast2 wrote:
shajaki wrote:
shockblast2 wrote:You harping that a dead line is still alive and well AND trying to claim that every Generations release is some sort of classics redux is getting old. Pathetically old.

Slingshot is dead and Wildrider doesn't exist in IDW, so that point is irrelevant.
have i been harping that G1 is alive and well? i sure dont recall. maybe the last time said anything on the subject was in regards to your completely made up G3 notion. i might add theres many more supporters on my side BTW.

every iteration of transformers has G1 influence. some of them (like the classics/generations lines) are HEAVILY based on G1. how you can look at CW/classics/generations and claim theyre not a redux of sorts is beyond me.

we all get it. the G1 line i long finished.
but G1 is still very much alive.

Name ONE Generations figure since FOC ended, besides Arcee, that looks just like its geewun counterpart? Your ideology is akin to saying that ROTF Hoist is geewun. Just because it shares the name and coloring does not mean it is the same. Is Rescue Bot Hoist Geewun Hoist?? NO.

So, if you have an example, bring it. Yes, the "spirit" of G1 is alive. Of course, because if not, then Transformers itself would be long dead and buried. These are new incarnations of them. But, they are not the same entities that existed in G1. If so, Jhaxis would not be present, nor would Ratbat, Waspinator, Rhinox, or even the new Starscream, which is EXCELLENT example of the spirit of this new line.

Springer.

Gen. Hoist and Trailthingy. Granted, Hoist needs his accesory, but it is a near ideal revisit to G1 Hoist and Trail has his lightbar thingy.

He means which Generations figures besides Arcee look exactly like their 1980s character model designs, which is the criteria he stands by.

News Credits: 65 · by **Wolfman Jake** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:50 pm

Sabrblade wrote:He means which Generations figures besides Arcee look exactly like their 1980s character model designs, which is the criteria he stands by.

If that's the case, his premise is flawed (big surprise). There was little consistency between the G1 toys, the cartoon character models, and the Marvel comic character novels, to say nothing of other ancillary media. Heck, some of the characters didn't even have the same character model from one episode to the next of the original cartoon. It goes beyond aesthetics, too. Several characters had very different characterizations between the package bios, the cartoon, and the comics. If what shockblast2 demands is perfect "G1" fidelity, he'll have to name what his gold standard is and justify why the others of that same era apparently don't count.

News Credits: 3 · by **Breakdown318** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:53 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Titan class Raiden, please. Devastator needs his rival.

This needs to happen. I've been waiting for this...

News Credits: 4844 · by **william-james88** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:57 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Flashwave wrote:
Gen. Hoist and Trailthingy. Granted, Hoist needs his accesory, but it is a near ideal revisit to G1 Hoist and Trail has his lightbar thingy.
He means which Generations figures besides Arcee look exactly like their 1980s character model designs, which is the criteria he stands by.

Does RTS Jazz count?

News Credits: 6 · by **Dr. Caelus** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:09 pm

So, there was a lot of arguing there about whether figures generally released in Takara's market ever show up as store exclusives in the US, and people saying they felt like they should remember an example, and maybe I'm missing something, but why didn't anyone mention the GDO (Global Development Organization) stuff? Does it not count because they were products released in Asia by Hasbro, rather than Takara?

News Credits: 4844 · by **william-james88** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:16 pm

Caelus wrote:So, there was a lot of arguing there about whether figures generally released in Takara's market ever show up as store exclusives in the US, and people saying they felt like they should remember an example, and maybe I'm missing something, but why didn't anyone mention the GDO (Global Development Organization) stuff? Does it not count because they were products released in Asia by Hasbro, rather than Takara?

No they dont. I thought of those. But they dont count exactly for the reason you point out. The whole debate was about Takara released products and GDO simply arent Taara releases. Takara isnt even part of the equation in that one. Masterpiece is the more apt example.

But it doesnt matter because we are getting those 2 toys. That right there shows that the molds were done already, Takara is simply showing them to us first. And there is no need for a specific precedent for something to be true. Takara always had the chrome but suddenly it was the Hasbro jetfire release that had it. During the prime line it was Takara who had the stickers but then the generations figures which came with stickers were hasbro not takara. Things dont need to have a precedent inorder to be true.

by **Desslok2201** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:17 pm

Wolfman Jake wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:He means which Generations figures besides Arcee look exactly like their 1980s character model designs, which is the criteria he stands by.

If that's the case, his premise is flawed (big surprise). There was little consistency between the G1 toys, the cartoon character models, and the Marvel comic character novels, to say nothing of other ancillary media. Heck, some of the characters didn't even have the same character model from one episode to the next of the original cartoon. It goes beyond aesthetics, too. Several characters had very different characterizations between the package bios, the cartoon, and the comics. If what shockblast2 demands is perfect "G1" fidelity, he'll have to name what his gold standard is and justify why the others of that same era apparently don't count.

The premise is way more than flawed, it's indefensible. How would ANY current character exist if not based on it's G1 incarnation. If I take Omega Supreme, give him slightly more angular looks but still call him Omega Supreme and have him act similar to his G1 self, that's not a new character- it's an extension of G1

News Credits: 4844 · by **william-james88** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:20 pm

Desslok2201 wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:He means which Generations figures besides Arcee look exactly like their 1980s character model designs, which is the criteria he stands by.

If that's the case, his premise is flawed (big surprise). There was little consistency between the G1 toys, the cartoon character models, and the Marvel comic character novels, to say nothing of other ancillary media. Heck, some of the characters didn't even have the same character model from one episode to the next of the original cartoon. It goes beyond aesthetics, too. Several characters had very different characterizations between the package bios, the cartoon, and the comics. If what shockblast2 demands is perfect "G1" fidelity, he'll have to name what his gold standard is and justify why the others of that same era apparently don't count.

The premise is way more than flawed, it's indefensible. How would ANY current character exist if not based on it's G1 incarnation. If I take Omega Supreme, give him slightly more angular looks but still call him Omega Supreme and have him act similar to his G1 self, that's not a new character- it's an extension of G1

Thats how I feel most of the current IDW comics are along with most of the CHUG releases.

News Credits: 331 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:18 am

Desslok2201 wrote:Quick question: does anyone have CW Powerglide yet? Just wondering how well he fits into Superion's fists. I don't expect the death grip that MP Ultra Magnus has on his gun, but hopefully it isn't floppy

It'll fit into the peg hole fine the problem is that depending on tolerances the limbs may not be able to hold it up in arm mode. None of the ones I have can hold the combined weapon mode at all.

News Credits: 8 · by **Megatron Wolf** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:45 am

shockblast2 wrote:What really concerns me as well with this line in general is that I just noticed that Hasbro has lied about their price point for deluxes this year. They said $16, now it is $17. That is INSANE. Just five years ago it was $9.

This is a 12% price increase ALONE just in a year, 20% for voyagers!!!

At this rate, by 2018 people will be paying $21.99 for a DELUXE.

i doubt itll take that long, by this time next year they'll probably be up to $20 for a deluxe. By 2018 i say $30 for a deluxe if the franchise is even still around. Theres a target in my area thats been selling deluxes for $18 since AoE started & a TRU thats been doing it for longer, they had $25 voyagers back in the RTS days. Also look forward to the sizes getting even smaller, transformations getting even more simpler & accessories & paint going bye bye.

But on topic now im actually surprised to see this, ill be even more surprised if they are the takara molds & not just straight up repaints of firefly & breakdown. Now the real question is will the be mass release or exclusives?