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Kurona wrote:If MP-38 is any indication, they might end up releasing a toy-accurate version somewhere down the line - not to mention the likelihood of Shadow Panther and Tigatron redecoes. There's hope for the mold yet if you don't like how it looks here

Shadow Panther I could see, but Tigatron would need his own bigger but similarly-engineered mold.

Sabrblade wrote:

Kurona wrote:If MP-38 is any indication, they might end up releasing a toy-accurate version somewhere down the line - not to mention the likelihood of Shadow Panther and Tigatron redecoes. There's hope for the mold yet if you don't like how it looks here

Shadow Panther I could see, but Tigatron would need his own bigger but similarly-engineered mold.

Certainly, but I've been wondering whether or not they would actually do that. How much money they'd be able to make off a Tigatron mold, and if they'd actually go for that extra effort or just throw their arms up, say '**** it' and just use Cheetor.
Of course, that's not confirmed, but I think it wouldn't be wise to say it's out of the realm of possibility. He should get his own mold, and maybe he will, but I won't be terribly surprised if they do just decide to not go to that extra effort.

I'll be in my bunk. Lol.

I seriously can't wait for this guy. So much beast wars love. I'm happy.and I'm super happy they've gone for the toon style fur patterns instead of realistic fur pattern. The characters wouldn't look right otherwise.

I have never been much of a fan of animal alt modes beyond the Dinobots but I did enjoy the Beast Wars show. I cannot wait to get this to go with Primal. I'll be getting it for my birthday, I just hope it gets here in time.

We seen a fair number of in-hand images for MP-34 Cheetor, the latest Beast Wars Masterpiece Transformer, from Takara Tomy, earlier today (check them out again here) - but another toy blogger also brings us a fairly important comparison: how does Cheetor / Cheetus look next to MP-32 Optimus Primal / Beast Convoy? Check out the images below and find out!

Looks awesome is how he looks.

Never would have thought that I would be looking forward to this as much as I am.

Doesn't the Tigatron here look amazing?



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I really like Cheetor here, but if a Tigatron is announced, I'd probably go for him instead. Him and Airazor would be BEAST! (pun intended)

SillySpringer wrote:Doesn't the Tigatron here look amazing?

More like Cheetor cosplaying Tigatron. The limbs are too lanky and scrawny and the beast head's shaped all wrong. Tigatron's buffer that Cheetor.

Sabrblade wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:Doesn't the Tigatron here look amazing?

More like Cheetor cosplaying Tigatron. The limbs are too lanky and scrawny and the beast head's shaped all wrong. Tigatron's buffer that Cheetor.

Same construction in robot mode in Beast Wars pretty much. It's the bigger head that puts the scale off.



Looks good to me. Just needs retooling on the beast parts and robot head.

SillySpringer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:Doesn't the Tigatron here look amazing?

More like Cheetor cosplaying Tigatron. The limbs are too lanky and scrawny and the beast head's shaped all wrong. Tigatron's buffer that Cheetor.

Same construction in robot mode in Beast Wars pretty much. It's the bigger head that puts the scale off.

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Looks good to me. Just needs retooling on the beast parts and robot head.

That's just the Japanese toy's box art, not the cartoon model.

The original toys were straight redecos of each other, but Mainframe modified Tigatron's CG model to better distinguish him from Cheetor.

Compare:

Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, Tigatron's cartoon model was bigger than Cheetor's, and his beast mode was shaped differently.



Tigatron's beast mode has more overall mass to it. A larger head, thicker legs, a more rounded back and belly; about the only thing his and Cheetor's MPs could share is transformation engineering. The rest of Tigatron would need to be a larger mold.

I wouldn't mind if tigatron is a remould, but he does need a thicker beast mode propertiins and new heads in both modes. I know he's meant to be taller than cheetor but he would be close enough for me.

I feel it is an extremely likely possibility. They'd do as much retooling as they could, but at the end of the day I simply find making a retool far more likely than an entirely new mold no matter how inaccurate to the actual sizes that may be. Takara may be miracle workers, but they're still a company.

There's no tidier method of hiding away those cheetah legs, huh?

Carnivius_Prime wrote:There's no tidier method of hiding away those cheetah legs, huh?

You mean on his back? That's screen accurate, down to the way they cross over each other.

Insurgent wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:There's no tidier method of hiding away those cheetah legs, huh?

You mean on his back? That's screen accurate, down to the way they cross over each other.

Yeah and I didn't like it then either (though to be honest I didn't care for Beast Wars in general.. stories were alright but the CGI was really hard for me to get past). Screen accuracy is not always a good thing. Suppose if you're a big fan of Cheetor this toy is great.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Insurgent wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:There's no tidier method of hiding away those cheetah legs, huh?

You mean on his back? That's screen accurate, down to the way they cross over each other.

Yeah and I didn't like it then either (though to be honest I didn't care for Beast Wars in general.. stories were alright but the CGI was really hard for me to get past). Screen accuracy is not always a good thing. Suppose if you're a big fan of Cheetor this toy is great.

Well, it is Masterpiece - screen accuracy is the name of the game. If you want a cool update you have to rely on Generations eventually coming up with something.

Screen accuracy is a big deal for the masterpiece line. If it was something like generations, I'd agree with you.


As for the cgi... Yeah i can understand how it looks dated. But for the second ever show to ever be made from cgi, when it was in it's infancy, it was groundbreaking at the time.

Insurgent wrote:Screen accuracy is a big deal for the masterpiece line. If it was something like generations, I'd agree with you.


As for the cgi... Yeah i can understand how it looks dated. But for the second ever show to ever be made from cgi, when it was in it's infancy, it was groundbreaking at the time.

I know it was early CGI but even then it just looked horrendous to me and really off-putting. Amazes me that even now you get CGI cartoons that just lack a sense of 'life' to them in their environments (I tried watching Beware the Batman and Gotham felt so empty and hollow... not a city at all but just cheap looking backdrops). Even now I still far prefer 2D animation over 3D. I'd take the classic era Disney over Pixar anyday.

If plastic tires on their masterpiece cars don't bother Takara, then and undersized Tigatron won't bother them either.

Sabrblade wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:Doesn't the Tigatron here look amazing?

More like Cheetor cosplaying Tigatron. The limbs are too lanky and scrawny and the beast head's shaped all wrong. Tigatron's buffer that Cheetor.

Same construction in robot mode in Beast Wars pretty much. It's the bigger head that puts the scale off.

pic

Looks good to me. Just needs retooling on the beast parts and robot head.

That's just the Japanese toy's box art, not the cartoon model.

The original toys were straight redecos of each other, but Mainframe modified Tigatron's CG model to better distinguish him from Cheetor.

Compare:

Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, Tigatron's cartoon model was bigger than Cheetor's, and his beast mode was shaped differently.



Tigatron's beast mode has more overall mass to it. A larger head, thicker legs, a more rounded back and belly; about the only thing his and Cheetor's MPs could share is transformation engineering. The rest of Tigatron would need to be a larger mold.

I get the beast mode, and I already knew that. Robot mode looks pretty dang close to me though, and if anything he looks less bulky because of the larger head.

Like I said, I think they have the capability to change the beast mode parts pretty well and still keep a similar robot mode look. I like to give Takara a good creative chance.

Also I'd prefer Tigatron to not be too big actually because I would want him to fit relatively well with some CHUG figures. His size is hard enough to fit now. I also wouldn't really care to get Tigatron either unless there's an Airazor toy that's decently scaled enough to fit with him.

Ironhidensh wrote:If plastic tires on their masterpiece cars don't bother Takara, then and undersized Tigatron won't bother them either.

I wouldn't bet too heavily on that. Plastic tires instead of rubber isn't of the same significance as having figures in correct scale with eachother, and that is one of the strongpoints of the modern Masterpiece line. Tigatron was a lot taller than Cheetor in the cartoon, and i don't see Takara ignoring that size difference, not when they place emphasis on correct scale. I think that if we do get a Tigatron, he will be the same kind of transformation, except larger in size.

wilcosu35 wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:If plastic tires on their masterpiece cars don't bother Takara, then and undersized Tigatron won't bother them either.

I wouldn't bet too heavily on that. Plastic tires instead of rubber isn't of the same significance as having figures in correct scale with eachother, and that is one of the strongpoints of the modern Masterpiece line. Tigatron was a lot taller than Cheetor in the cartoon, and i don't see Takara ignoring that size difference, not when they place emphasis on correct scale. I think that if we do get a Tigatron, he will be the same kind of transformation, except larger in size.

Either that or they make the legs longer or something. Idunno.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Ironhidensh wrote:I'll believe it when I see it.

Me too. I just don't see them using the same design of the robot mode but upscaling it slightly where they'd need to use completely different parts on the whole thing and waste all that recolor potential. I personally don't remember Tigatron being much larger than Cheetor in the cartoon if at all, and making a whole new thing just to make him slightly taller just seems like a waste to me IMHO.


...and making the legs slightly longer would only make him taller. He would look even thinner than Cheetor then, and that's not accurate visually at all.

Edit: They also could work around it by releasing a toy-accurate Cheetor and then a toy-accurate Tigatron with new beast parts and just call them an homage to the toy redos, and just skip the cartoon version.